Editor’s note: Lovefraud received the following story from a woman who we’ll call Lorraine. She is 51 years old and lives in Australia. The name of the man she was involved with has been changed.
I became involved with David, 49, after joining up to the dating site in September last year when I was emotionally down after a divorce and being on my own for awhile. I have heard both good and bad stories about online romances and was fully aware of women being ripped off financially. Well that was never going to happen to me, for I am too smart for that. But quite clearly not too smart for being taken emotionally.
Within days of placing my profile complete with photo of myself I had received lots of requests for contact by men, most not suitable at all. Amongst the requests was one from a man whose profile was flawless. A person professionally employed with a good Christian background. Fit and healthy and having a teenage daughter in his care much of the time.
I accepted his contact request and we clicked straight away. Had lots in common, both employed in the medical profession, both had three children, he three grown daughters, me — three grown sons. Both loved walking, cycles, the outdoors, markets, gardening, same type of music. We chatted merrily away, night after night for hours, about anything and everything including things one only tells one’s closest friends.
For three weeks, until one nice pleasant but very quiet weekend afternoon, I went online and he was there. He said it would be nice to meet and have my company for a chat for an hour before he collected his daughter from his ex-wife’s. Sounded safe enough. And it was. I even thought he was nicer in person. When I left he asked if he could give me a kiss, and I accepted the small peck on the cheek. How lovely. What a gentleman, I thought. It left me wanting to see him again. The second time a week later when he invited me to his house he had lovely mood candles burning, a gorgeous meal prepared and the right soft music on. And there was that chemistry between us and he told me that he thought I was “hot.”
Notch on the bedpost
Very romantic and easy to communicate with. I was on another planet. But also I was vulnerable and found myself really liking and trusting David. And as the evening went by one thing led to another! Just perfect. Who could ask for anything more!
But make no mistake, once I had become a notch on his bedpost the conquest was over for him. The game had been played. And he was already well on his way in grooming his next victim online.
I know he is very selective, he picks only good, honest women with high morals, that way there are far less risks for him. And he told me nothing. Zero. He just stopped communicating with me. End of story.
I was left totally and utterly shattered and emotionally scarred by it. I saw him online chatting to others but he refused to acknowledge me.
So I chose to confront him personally. I jumped in my car and I drove the one hours drive to his place. (I knew he was home because he was online chatting to someone else at 10 p.m. but would not return my request for contact.) He was shocked to see me — totally. He could not look me in the face. He fidgeted and behaved much the same as a naughty boy who has been caught out but was too scared to admit it. He tried to maintain composure. He said that he is grieving for his mother who is dying from cancer. And that there isn’t anyone else and that he just wanted to be by himself. Then he stated that I was intelligent, good-looking and will find someone else. And he added, “We’ll both be fine. Everything will be alright.”
Talking with other women
The first time I initially had contact with David last year and after a couple of weeks chatting online he suggested communicating through MSN via internet email as it is more personal and that I didn’t need to go on the dating site to communicate as they are full of strange people wanting contact. He then hid his profile and I thought maybe I was special because he had given me his undivided attention. He then removed me from his “contacts” on the dating site.
But when I checked the online dating site, usually very late at night, there he was online, no doubt conversing to other women. I do recall in about the second week of chatting to him on the net and before I actually met him that David mentioned that he was on some type of suicide watch for a friend and may need to go in a hurry. Well that call came and he said he had to go and help his friend in need. The next evening on the net I remember him referring to it when asked by me, he said that it was a long, long night. “Someone was drunk in their car, and there were lots and lots of tears. But everything would be alright,” he said.
I was not to know then just how significant this was until weeks later when going over things again and again in my head. It all fell into place.
“Lots and lots of tears” obviously meant female. And I have now worked out that this female was likely a person he became involved with as he began chatting to me online. When her usefulness ceased, that is, he achieved his notch on the bedpost, he told her their relationship would not work. Yet another poor deluded soul, led to think there could be more but let down in a cold, callous and calculating manner.
Life lesson
So from all of this I strongly felt that David needed to be taught a real life lesson. Users on these dating sites are real life people with real feelings and emotions. I felt he needed to hurt, and in exactly the same way he was hurting vulnerable women who would open up to him — like myself.
Does not matter if you think you are the sharpest tool in the toolbox. If you are new to these dating sites — beware. You are raw meat. Ready for the taking. Long time players will regularly scour the new additions and quickly request contact before others do.
Read more: Online seduction and the dangers of online dating
Then when I began to play him at his own game I was terrified he would catch on straight away, as I find it near impossible to lie and keep a straight face. But remember that online, on internet dating sites, all that is being conveyed is around 25 percent of the actual communication.
The other person cannot see you, or you them. And I know that body language counts for around 75 percent of what is being conveyed. Could I do this? Could I carry off the lie? Well as it happened — yes, I could. Wasn’t as difficult as I thought. If he could see me he would have known, but he couldn’t.
I became Jo
I placed a new profile on the dating site and became “Jo” in late January 2010, and made up a background similar to my own. I felt myself writing what I knew he would want to hear. I needed him to take the bait. And he did. Almost instantly. It only confirmed to me what I had already discovered over recent months that did not quite add up.
David’s first contact with Jo was the day after his mother, whom he supposedly adored, died. Strange behaviour when one is grieving! Chatting on line for one hour to “Jo,” whom he knew nothing about, yet telling her that he had no one to hug!!!!!!
Then telling Jo that he has been on the site for over two years and hasn’t had any luck, and hasn’t had a date in 14 years! I thought and what about me, or the others, whom he just so readily discarded!!! Liar!
Also in the three weeks of being Jo online, David at no stage asked what line of work Jo was in, or even where Jo lived, which was good in one way, because I did not need to lie, however it did highlight how he was so self-focused.
My aim of playing him at his own game was to keep him interested, wanting more, wanting the real deal. Getting him to ask me to his place would be even better as I knew he would go to some length to get it right. Mood candles, soft music and red wine!
Agreed to meet
It happened just the way I planned on Friday evening, February 12, 2010. Three weeks after chatting to him online and developing a rapport, he was clearly very eager to meet Jo. No less than six times throughout chatting to him on Friday early evening he hinted at Jo meeting him with comments such as, “I had a delivery of wine today — come let’s try one.” “I might ask you over — or let my hormones take over.” “There’s at least seven bottles of red to choose from here — come choose one.” “You deserve a back rub for daring to talk about my mum and how I feel about it — no one else wants to know it happened.”
After stringing him along for awhile, Jo agreed to meet him at his place and he gave a very detailed description of how to get there in exactly the same way he had to me. Jo then left him with the final message of “Looking forward to meeting you. You sound so nice and friendly.” And, “I shall arrive in my nice shiny black convertible, shall I?” And he said, “So off ya go and come on over — much more fun talking than typing.” Of course Jo then did NOT turn up.
At 10:50 that night, David left a message for Jo online: “David wonders what happened to Jo — hope you weren’t snapped up by crocodile, not been fed to a shark — and that you didn’t do this to wind me up — though that would seem very out of character from the chats we had — catch you whenever I s’pose.”
And: “P.S. I would really like to honestly know what happened and why — so please chat and tell me.”
Just perfect, I thought. It would leave him now wondering why and maybe feeling rejected, just like I had.
Advice for Internet dating
Now, my advice to anyone new to any of the Internet dating sites is to first check out how long the other person has been on the site. If more than a few months, beware. Secondly, when you are communicating with someone on these sites, remember you are actually only getting about 25 percent of the communication. You do not see them or their body responses; all you get is a motionless computer screen. Thirdly, it might be wiser and safer to communicate only with other new users, and stay well away from those who have joined many, many months ago or years! Let the alarm bells ring.
When I joined again as Jo several months after the first time, there were again the same large group of men whom had requested contacts with me the first time!!!
In conclusion, David has an obsession with these sites, much the same way as an addict has to gambling or a smoker to smoking. The addiction is either about gaining power over women or is a sex addiction. Yet, in real life David functions at a high level. He does have friends and is quite social, even having a weekly home church group meeting at his house. Yet on the chat line he says he is alone and feels unwanted.
David lives in a fantasy world, in a made up one, when on the Internet. The real sad part of all of this for me is that underneath the entire act David puts on, he seems like a lovely man who is highly confused and has lost his way with reality.
Net addiction
Through personal research I have now found some good sites on the Internet that outline what “net addiction” or “Internet dating addiction” or “cyber-addiction” is. Internet addiction is a growing, serious public health issue. And those that are addicted can be quite callous towards unsuspecting others. America has even considered this cyber-addiction to be included in the DSM V of Mental Health Disorders. It can be seen as the new growing social cancer of our century.
But how David could do this to innocent women, and repetitively, knowing he has three teenage daughters himself, is beyond comprehension. How would he like it if one of his daughters fell foul to someone just like him?
Finally, if my story can just stop this from happening to other females then that is a bonus. If what I did by becoming the player myself hurts him like he has clearly and deliberately hurt many women over a lengthy period of time then I will be very happy indeed. And my job is done.
So regardless of where you live, not just Australia, let the Internet user beware. It could cost you significantly emotionally, which will take you a long time to recover from.
Playing “The Player”
Everyone comes into one’s life for a reason. And I now firmly believe David came into mine because I was the right person to take him on and turn the tables on him. By playing “The Player,” it gave me the chance to regain my self-esteem and confidence and gain some kind of closure. My aim was to show him that one cannot use and emotionally abuse innocent people who initially come online and are often very vulnerable by those who are masters at “the game.”
I think I will stay well away from the Internet dating sites for the time being. I need to heal and become the calm, relaxed person with the happy disposition I was before.
Learn more: Survivor’s guide to healthy people and healthy relationships
Lovefraud originally posted this story on April 2, 2010.
Be thankful he just wanted a “notch” and not your bed ( and house) too.My ex did the cheek kissing move for months…acting like the Edwardian schoolboy. Charming and innocent.
Is there no way these sites can post negative feedback? Kind of a like a rating system? I know there could be lies but it seems these types could be dug out that way.
And Truth, please define shock and awe. Legal I hope.
This article is a good speak to younger women who many and lilely do encounter them on web sites however, speaking as a maven now engaged in a legal process which is complex and draining, I would have to out it out there that there is NO SPORT with these people.
If you run into a SPATH run the other way. It serves nothing to advocate revenge.
You can’t spank a tiger and expect to walk away without risk. This is an unhealthy adcation in my mind.
If you did this to one I know, it wouldn’t be over yet and the second notch on your bed would hurt worse because he would be playing to WIN.
The real is admit that trying to date off the internet is crazy in itself and the mistake is going there to begin with and then accept the lesson that brings it home is you got caught by someone who didn’t have much integrity.
But remember that as far as dating is concerned, people -esp grown up are free to date as many as they want to and until you are told, promised and given an exclusive relationship with the intention it be more, you don’t have an exclusive relationship.
Sex is always optional.
If someone get caught lying or cheating in a committed relationship, that is something very different than continuing to date around.
Yes, ever if they are a SPATH.
So I’d look at this and say, on line dating isn’t all that hip given what we who are here have learned. Playing with Spaths is NOT a sport and the real work that has to be done is on the victim because they can be changed, but it doesn’t come without commitment to change, work in therapy and acceptance of the abusive relationship and the reasons it was attractive.
Its about being real. And I think playing with a SPATH online may be momentarily satisfying, but the whole thing just say to me, there is no integrity on the internet, no matter how fascinating the dating sites are. You can’t shop for people, you have to KNOW them.
Your mileage may vary.
Dear Silvermoon,
QUOTE: “You can’t shop for people, you have to KNOW them.”
VERY true, that is very much, in my opinion what on line dating sites are sort of an on-line “used people lot.” Also true that “your mileage may vary!”
I once had a profile up and recently I went back and looked at the men on that site, and some of the same ones that were there when I was first on there years ago are still there looking for a Long Term Relationship. LOL Yea, right!
My son C’s x-wife, whom I refered to as The “cyber-bride,” was a P looking for a meal ticket, and found it in him on the internet. I know others who have married or had relationships with Ps they met on dating sites. Frankly I don’t know a single soul who has successfully met a “keeper” on a dating site, and there may be as few, I just don’t know any.
To me, getting to know someone in PERSON, not just on the phone, or in a few “vacation-type” visits is very important and I don’t think can be accomplished long distance. I think in order to get to know someone you have to spend time with them around their friends, around their environment and in many different situations, and you may STILL be fooled, but how easy is it to fool someone if you are only around them a day or two here or there?
Also, for me, sleeping with someone is a “bonding ritual” for two people who are in a committed relationship. Just because A man wants to sleep with me does NOT mean he also wants a commited relationship. In other words, relationship first, THEN sex, after we both get tested for every STD known to mortal man.
Everyone who is an adult has a right to make those decisions for themselves, who they sleep with, who they have a relationship with etc. The above are just MY own personal “rules” for who I sleep with.
When I was dating the P, he said “Well, we aren’t married, you can’t tell me who I can SLEEP WITH.”
I told him, “yep, that is TRUE, I can’t tell you who YOU will sleep with, but I can tell you WHO I WILL SLEEP WITH and it is NOT with a man who is sleeping with other women.”
And since he wanted to continue to sleep with a harem full of other women, you can imagine what I told him, and imagine the “colorful phrases” I used.
I think with Online dating….we all want to be the ‘one’ to prove the theory wrong…..
“Look, I met mr. wonderful’…online….
Well……the fact of the matter is…..HOW MANY MR. DUDs do you go through to get to that supposed Mr. Wonderful….and maybe (just for now)!!!
Give me a call in 5 years…..and let me know how wonderful he is!!!!
Bulletproof,
Thank you. May the force be with you as well.
I don’t mean to be paranoid or coy in not giving full details of my plot. But I haven’t gotten this far by making quick impulsive moves. I don’t want to be like the criminals you read about that get caught by pridefully bragging on the Internet about their capers. Maybe I will tell the whole sordid tale sometime, but I need to give it some careful thought.
Also, I have won an important battle. Whether I have won the war remains to be seen. Time will tell. My story is not over. I have played many of my cards, but I still have one or two up my sleeve.
What I have learned:
Even a psychopath has a weakness or a need that makes him vulnerable to destruction. They are not human, so they do not have the many frailties (AKA admirable human traits) that we have, but they have chinks in their armor nonetheless. I identified the P’s weakness and then strategically took him down notch by notch.
Back when I myself was still in my “shock and awe” stage of this hell shortly after the P’s destruction of my life, I spoke to two attorneys. I have no faith in the legal system, so my main goal in seeking counsel was not legal redress of the P’s crimes. Rather, I wanted to know what I lcould and couldn’t do legally in terms of acts of retribution.
Let me save you some money if you or anyone else is as naive as I was = They lawyers will be of NO help in the pursuit of actual justice. They obviously pitied me and no doubt thought I was a woman on the verge of a nervous breakdown. They tried to scare me straight saying that I was going to end up in big trouble and that this was going to go on my permanent record… blah blah blah.
Actually, in retrospect I am grateful for the attorney’s unhelpful advice and fearmongering. It delayed my response and made me cold, calculating, and carefull.
Retribution – How I did it:
Research + detective skills + luck + creativity + fearlessness.
I wanted retribution for myself. I wanted it for the P’s other victims. I wanted it to prevent future victimization of women by the P. And I wanted it for all the women who have been victimized by P’s who cannot seek retribution because they cannot be fearless as they have too much to risk.
The P left my life in tatters. By destroying someone so completely, a P is asking for it – – their victim then has nothing to lose.
On fearlessness:
I don’t want to gloss over this point, because mine isn’t a carefree story of vigalante justice.
I have come to know fearlessness intimately. Fearlessness is both light and dark. It is hope and it is despair.
First and foremost, I must state that I have no children, or retribution would never have even been an option.
All my life I followed the rules, worked hard, was honest and loyal, was loving, strived to better my life… Then I found myself one day victimized – with nothing – in a living hell, Everything was erased, vanished…
Against my nature, I forceed myself to embrace fearlessness.
The light and hopeful part of the fearlessness awoke my dulled mind, inspired my creative thought, and propelled me to work diligently to make it a reality.
The dark and despairig part of fearlessness made me get my accounts in order. It made me face, and set aside, concern for my own physical being, and the trappings of this life – material possessions, social identity…
Let me be crystal clear, I had to accept the fact that, as I clearly did not know the P, I may be physically harmed or killed because of what I was about to do. Also, the experience of the P had shown me, for the first time in my life, that there are limits to my strength. In this I experienced myself for the first time – – broken.
I must add, before the P my life was no cakewalk yet I had overcome all odds, survived and thrived. I think that no matter how much other humans hurt you, you can still find some acceptance in the fact that they have hurt you because they are fuc*ed up. The P is unique, and their attack so much more devastating, because they hurt in the pursuit of sadistic pleasure – – even glee.
So, what I am trying to express, is that to be as fearless as the task required, I had to face the fact that I was broken and that I did not know how much more I could take befor I would need to step out of this life. And I had to come to a place where I had made peace with that.
When I say I needed retribution, I mean I NEEDED retribution. I needed it to go on with my life. I needed something to make sense again. I asked myself many times: Do I need to do this even if the worst case scenario is the outcome? The answer was yes. Not just yes – – emphatically YES, YES, YES!!!
Oh, and of course, the little entrepreneur in me has considered that there is a huge unmet need in the market for destroyapsychopath.com. I truly wish someone would go for it! Personally, I’m kinda focused on the daunting task of rebuilding a life from scratch… but you never know…
truthteller
I’m listening intently! You Say:
Even a psychopath has a weakness or a need that makes him vulnerable to destruction. They are not human, so they do not have the many frailties (AKA admirable human traits) that we have, but they have chinks in their armor nonetheless.
I imagine a psychopath has armor to defend his “right” (in his head) to exploit kindness, deceive at will, lie ec. so a chink in his armor would show only one thing ABILITY TO DO HARM WITHOUT REMORSE
Human beings have armor to protect their vulnerability, true self, inner child etc. a chink in this armor would be emotional pain, hurt, remorse…what you would see underneath is ABILITY TO LOVE AND CARE ABOUT HOW OTHERS FEEL
presumably you took away his armor ie. His HUMAN FACE he showed to the world and exposed his ability to do harm….HOW!!!???!!
You say:
I have come to know fearlessness intimately. Fearlessness is both light and dark. It is hope and it is despair.
it makes sense the only thing that could level a P would be fearlessness
to achieve fearlessness you would have to be ready to live OR die = that is consciousness at it’s peak. True integrity. Dying for what you beleive in. That’s what christ had on the cross. No ego just a burning desire for the truth. In alchemy it would be the making of gold
So the evolutionary value of a P Could be forcing us to face who we really are and fearlessly be willing to die for what we beleive in.
destroyapsychopath.com or what about createabetterperson.com?
So glad to hear you are rebuilding your life. I’d love to hear your story, maybe there is a book in it. You write so well. I would buy it immediately!
Dear Lorraine, Thank you for posting your story! Very gutsy!I did exactly the same thing with my ex who was living with me at the time and was also on a dating site. He wasn’t very savvy about erasing his history and cookies, so it wasn’t hard to find him. This one happened to be a sex site and I went on as someone looking for the weird, kinky things he had listed that he was looking for. It made me sick, but I did it anyways because I was paying the bills, etc.. and he was doing this? I can’t tell you how angry I was!
I did this for several weeks until he was salivating at the bit. Whenever he was gone, I knew what he was doing, or at least had a good idea. When it finally came time, he wanted the address and how to get there. Was he ever surprised to find out it was his own! He was furious! BUT only because he had been caught. He was NOT sorry for doing what he had done. They truly do lack the real ability to feel remorse and regret.
I wouldn’t suggest this to everyone, but I had had it totally and I was looking to kick some ass before he was gone. I might add that this happened at the end of his long, extended “visit” here.
He had nothing to say, nothing to explain and could only try and tell me it was a phase. Whatever. I copied. pasted, printed, downloaded and saved his profile, which was pretty disgusting, and he knew it. He knew that I would let the whole world see it and it was a tool in him leaving.
As I said, this was a risk. I wouldn’t suggest this to everyone. I knew the possible consequences and knew he had already been in trouble for D.V., so that was something he wouldn’t attempt. I was right on that one, but not all of them are as afraid of the law as he was at that time. I stress this part. If you are going to “out” one of them on these sites, BE CAREFUL!
To this day, I have a copy of that profile. I don’t look at it, but it’s stored away. He knows this. It sounds like we’re being one of them when we do this and in a way, that’s true. I wanted him to KNOW that people aren’t that stupid. At least not this one.
As for the internet, I did look at the dating sites and when you see the same people there for a long time, that’s a red flag to me. They are also the ones who go for the new ones like raw meat. The internet, while being a wonderful thing and bringing us things like this site, has also spawned a whole new list of problems for those looking for the darker things in life.
The great thing is, those days are far behind me now and I am SO HAPPY that I don’t have that kind of chaos in my life.
HAPPY, HAPPY EASTER TO ALL!
Hugs,
Cat
Dear Lorraine, thank you for your post. It resonated so much with me, especially since today as I learned some interesting news at our Easter luch at my sister’s.
My sister (at least a N) told me today that my Ex-Spath-lover contacted her three weeks ago through a letter to ask for help for legal reason (she is a lawyer) and let her decide whether to give me his kind regards or not (in case I am still suffering after two years?), and he wanted to go out with her. She declined his request for representing him (she would not tell me about which problem, but I assume it is because of his old working place problems he already had when we were together). And she did not react to his offer to dine out with her. (no way she would do this! she has a very finely tuned Spath-detector herself)
Second: my S-father has some business with my Ex-boss (heavy N if not S, surely toxic to me) who kicked me out because he wanted his girlfriend have my position. Father told me today also at said lunch that he did praise my Ex-boss for his marvellous work and that I was SO RIGHT recommending the Ex-boss telling my father that he WAS THE BEST (he told it to me with a twinkle in his eyes). So poor Ex-boss is not knowing what my father is knowing (and my father knows it all). We play him, and the Ex-boss will do his very best to work hard for my father, as he is really very good in his field. I think that is also the reason my Ex-boss assured me of “every help possible” to find a new psoition!
A year ago I would have thought that father was falling into my back and he was being illoyal! Revenge is syrup, as my granny told me.
Third: I got on Good Friday my boxes to move the apartment from a colleague whom I lent the boxes ages ago. He brought a friend with him with whom I once attended a “leadership course for advanced residents”, and we had a very nice evening having dinner in a fine restaurant.
They happen to work in the area where I am moving to, and as I told them that I got busted by my future “partner” both told me that they had the “pleasure” to have common patients with said Ex”partner” and told horrible stories about him, and they said I should humbly thank God for letting pass this cup, and they recommended Psalm 37 to calm down. Both were sorry for me but glad and had no fear for my future. And we decided to repeat the dinner when I am installed at the new place.
The best thing is that I found peace and no anger or any physical reaction in all these stories and I am really looking now with confidence to my future.
The contacting my sister by the Ex-Spath-friend had no physical reaction, just some curiosity whether Karma is hitting REALLY hard or not so much yet, but nothing more.
With my Ex-boss, it was like recognizing the game S-father is playing with him, without any importance for me, but giving the X-boss a huge Ego-booster but in the same time a slight off-balance a s he can’t figure out my role in it. And he has no reason whatsoever to badmouth me!
And for my Ex-“partner” I am just plain happy that I can now begin a new start without the heavy baggage I did not envision prior. I will now evaluate carefully every offer that will show up! And there will be at least one nice evening in great company that is already “booked”!
Thanks to all you lf-peeps, I am now able to handle this massive heaping problems with cold blood and looking at them like I am looking at insects pinned on a cardboard (and I am not interested in insects particularly), enjoying my nieces, setting boundaries and no need to quarreling with my N-S-P-relatives but having great times!
Happy easter to all of you!
Lorraine:
Sorry for your being played.
I met my Mr Wonderful (after my S-ex) online on match.com. My cousin met her husband on match.com. Ditto my secretary. But, if you are going to do the on-line thing, you have got to have some hard and fast rules going in. My rules:
1. We are allowed two emails each. Then we MUST talk on the phone. Unfortunately, some people are really good spinning a tale online and it is very easy to get caught up in the fantasy.
2. After ONE phone call, we must meet for coffee. Again, it is easy to get caught up in a phone call. You MUST sit down opposite the person to figure out what you’re dealing with. Also, a lot of people post photos of themselves that are heavily airbrushed, 20 years out of date, 200 pounds underweight, etc. A picture is worth a thousand words — if the person doesn’t bear even a slight resemblance to his photos — run. Let’s be honest — now that he’s lied to you about how he looks, how is he going to rehabilitate his integrity? Dazzle you with his stunnint wit? Buh-bye.
3. After coffee, you can follow up with a thank you call — NOT email — and suggest a real date — in a public place. Dinner is good, gives you a chance to talk — and to judge their table manners.
4. Most of us know in the first 15 seconds if we want to sleep with somebody. But, as I say about myself, I needed to learn to think with my picker, not my pecker. I operate on the no sex for 4 date rule. That works for me. Some people advocate holding out longer. I’m of the school of thought that if you’re sexually incompatible, that’s going to be a huge problem because, let’s be honest, sex is a big part of a relationship. Bottom line is if you jump into the sack on the first date, the picture not only gets really confused, but you stand a pretty good chance of becoming that most dreaded of creatures — the one night stand.
5. The 3 subway stop rule. The sad fact of life is long distance relationships don’t work. If you’ve got to start schlepping long distances to see somebody, forget it. In NYC I say I won’t date somebody who lives more than 3 subway stops away — it starts to become too much of an effort. And if it starts to become an effort, then you or the other half is going to start paying attention to what is right in front of their eyes (closer to home).
So, I wouldn’t write off the on-line dating thing. But, you have got to be very smart about it. And being smart means getting personal contact with the person right up front before you fall in love with a profile or fantasy.
Dancing:
Sorry about that—the other thread with so many comments goes so slow I can only type 1 word a minute—
The tax thing can be looked at in 2 ways (I am assuming here that you are in US)
If you file together (figure it both ways, you by yourself and together) the check with some JOINTLY TO YOU BOTH and must be SIGNED BY you both—or if there is a joint account, can be deposited into that account and the money with drawn by either one. It may indeed be MORE MONEY if you file together than if you file separately, so I would figure it both ways and see if HALF of the joint will be as much as you would get by yourself. ALSO, there are different things you can look at in the way of various CREDITS and so forth that might not be available for you if you file separate or that might be available if you file sepratly.
Some of these various “credits” that are available due to the stimulus thing, my son is getting back more than he paid in, so you will have to follow the instructions well. Or get someone else to do them (and pay them) and file etc.
OR you CAN file for an EXTENSION easily enough and get another few months to figure all this out as april 15 is fast approaching.
Keep in mind, too, if you file separately and he OWES YOU C.S. you might be able to get a lien on his TAX REFUND so the money would come to you instead of him, so there is that possibility. (that used to be the case, but I’m not a CPA or tax attorney so take my advice with a grain of salt and check it out for recent laws and regulations)
It does sound like, Dancing that he is using your daughter to convey messages to you, but at the same time I would put a stop to that as well by TELLING him in no uncertain terms that your 10 year old has NO reason to be concerned with your or his financial status!!!!! I would tell her too that you are going to take care of her needs and that she need not worry about it. (reassure her) That is just WRONG for him to pull that chit with her! UGH!!!!! (grinding teeth here!) LOL
Good luck! ((((hugs))) asnd God Bless.