Editor’s note: Lovefraud received the following story from a woman who we’ll call Lorraine. She is 51 years old and lives in Australia. The name of the man she was involved with has been changed.
I became involved with David, 49, after joining up to the dating site in September last year when I was emotionally down after a divorce and being on my own for awhile. I have heard both good and bad stories about online romances and was fully aware of women being ripped off financially. Well that was never going to happen to me, for I am too smart for that. But quite clearly not too smart for being taken emotionally.
Within days of placing my profile complete with photo of myself I had received lots of requests for contact by men, most not suitable at all. Amongst the requests was one from a man whose profile was flawless. A person professionally employed with a good Christian background. Fit and healthy and having a teenage daughter in his care much of the time.
I accepted his contact request and we clicked straight away. Had lots in common, both employed in the medical profession, both had three children, he three grown daughters, me — three grown sons. Both loved walking, cycles, the outdoors, markets, gardening, same type of music. We chatted merrily away, night after night for hours, about anything and everything including things one only tells one’s closest friends.
For three weeks, until one nice pleasant but very quiet weekend afternoon, I went online and he was there. He said it would be nice to meet and have my company for a chat for an hour before he collected his daughter from his ex-wife’s. Sounded safe enough. And it was. I even thought he was nicer in person. When I left he asked if he could give me a kiss, and I accepted the small peck on the cheek. How lovely. What a gentleman, I thought. It left me wanting to see him again. The second time a week later when he invited me to his house he had lovely mood candles burning, a gorgeous meal prepared and the right soft music on. And there was that chemistry between us and he told me that he thought I was “hot.”
Notch on the bedpost
Very romantic and easy to communicate with. I was on another planet. But also I was vulnerable and found myself really liking and trusting David. And as the evening went by one thing led to another! Just perfect. Who could ask for anything more!
But make no mistake, once I had become a notch on his bedpost the conquest was over for him. The game had been played. And he was already well on his way in grooming his next victim online.
I know he is very selective, he picks only good, honest women with high morals, that way there are far less risks for him. And he told me nothing. Zero. He just stopped communicating with me. End of story.
I was left totally and utterly shattered and emotionally scarred by it. I saw him online chatting to others but he refused to acknowledge me.
So I chose to confront him personally. I jumped in my car and I drove the one hours drive to his place. (I knew he was home because he was online chatting to someone else at 10 p.m. but would not return my request for contact.) He was shocked to see me — totally. He could not look me in the face. He fidgeted and behaved much the same as a naughty boy who has been caught out but was too scared to admit it. He tried to maintain composure. He said that he is grieving for his mother who is dying from cancer. And that there isn’t anyone else and that he just wanted to be by himself. Then he stated that I was intelligent, good-looking and will find someone else. And he added, “We’ll both be fine. Everything will be alright.”
Talking with other women
The first time I initially had contact with David last year and after a couple of weeks chatting online he suggested communicating through MSN via internet email as it is more personal and that I didn’t need to go on the dating site to communicate as they are full of strange people wanting contact. He then hid his profile and I thought maybe I was special because he had given me his undivided attention. He then removed me from his “contacts” on the dating site.
But when I checked the online dating site, usually very late at night, there he was online, no doubt conversing to other women. I do recall in about the second week of chatting to him on the net and before I actually met him that David mentioned that he was on some type of suicide watch for a friend and may need to go in a hurry. Well that call came and he said he had to go and help his friend in need. The next evening on the net I remember him referring to it when asked by me, he said that it was a long, long night. “Someone was drunk in their car, and there were lots and lots of tears. But everything would be alright,” he said.
I was not to know then just how significant this was until weeks later when going over things again and again in my head. It all fell into place.
“Lots and lots of tears” obviously meant female. And I have now worked out that this female was likely a person he became involved with as he began chatting to me online. When her usefulness ceased, that is, he achieved his notch on the bedpost, he told her their relationship would not work. Yet another poor deluded soul, led to think there could be more but let down in a cold, callous and calculating manner.
Life lesson
So from all of this I strongly felt that David needed to be taught a real life lesson. Users on these dating sites are real life people with real feelings and emotions. I felt he needed to hurt, and in exactly the same way he was hurting vulnerable women who would open up to him — like myself.
Does not matter if you think you are the sharpest tool in the toolbox. If you are new to these dating sites — beware. You are raw meat. Ready for the taking. Long time players will regularly scour the new additions and quickly request contact before others do.
Read more: Online seduction and the dangers of online dating
Then when I began to play him at his own game I was terrified he would catch on straight away, as I find it near impossible to lie and keep a straight face. But remember that online, on internet dating sites, all that is being conveyed is around 25 percent of the actual communication.
The other person cannot see you, or you them. And I know that body language counts for around 75 percent of what is being conveyed. Could I do this? Could I carry off the lie? Well as it happened — yes, I could. Wasn’t as difficult as I thought. If he could see me he would have known, but he couldn’t.
I became Jo
I placed a new profile on the dating site and became “Jo” in late January 2010, and made up a background similar to my own. I felt myself writing what I knew he would want to hear. I needed him to take the bait. And he did. Almost instantly. It only confirmed to me what I had already discovered over recent months that did not quite add up.
David’s first contact with Jo was the day after his mother, whom he supposedly adored, died. Strange behaviour when one is grieving! Chatting on line for one hour to “Jo,” whom he knew nothing about, yet telling her that he had no one to hug!!!!!!
Then telling Jo that he has been on the site for over two years and hasn’t had any luck, and hasn’t had a date in 14 years! I thought and what about me, or the others, whom he just so readily discarded!!! Liar!
Also in the three weeks of being Jo online, David at no stage asked what line of work Jo was in, or even where Jo lived, which was good in one way, because I did not need to lie, however it did highlight how he was so self-focused.
My aim of playing him at his own game was to keep him interested, wanting more, wanting the real deal. Getting him to ask me to his place would be even better as I knew he would go to some length to get it right. Mood candles, soft music and red wine!
Agreed to meet
It happened just the way I planned on Friday evening, February 12, 2010. Three weeks after chatting to him online and developing a rapport, he was clearly very eager to meet Jo. No less than six times throughout chatting to him on Friday early evening he hinted at Jo meeting him with comments such as, “I had a delivery of wine today — come let’s try one.” “I might ask you over — or let my hormones take over.” “There’s at least seven bottles of red to choose from here — come choose one.” “You deserve a back rub for daring to talk about my mum and how I feel about it — no one else wants to know it happened.”
After stringing him along for awhile, Jo agreed to meet him at his place and he gave a very detailed description of how to get there in exactly the same way he had to me. Jo then left him with the final message of “Looking forward to meeting you. You sound so nice and friendly.” And, “I shall arrive in my nice shiny black convertible, shall I?” And he said, “So off ya go and come on over — much more fun talking than typing.” Of course Jo then did NOT turn up.
At 10:50 that night, David left a message for Jo online: “David wonders what happened to Jo — hope you weren’t snapped up by crocodile, not been fed to a shark — and that you didn’t do this to wind me up — though that would seem very out of character from the chats we had — catch you whenever I s’pose.”
And: “P.S. I would really like to honestly know what happened and why — so please chat and tell me.”
Just perfect, I thought. It would leave him now wondering why and maybe feeling rejected, just like I had.
Advice for Internet dating
Now, my advice to anyone new to any of the Internet dating sites is to first check out how long the other person has been on the site. If more than a few months, beware. Secondly, when you are communicating with someone on these sites, remember you are actually only getting about 25 percent of the communication. You do not see them or their body responses; all you get is a motionless computer screen. Thirdly, it might be wiser and safer to communicate only with other new users, and stay well away from those who have joined many, many months ago or years! Let the alarm bells ring.
When I joined again as Jo several months after the first time, there were again the same large group of men whom had requested contacts with me the first time!!!
In conclusion, David has an obsession with these sites, much the same way as an addict has to gambling or a smoker to smoking. The addiction is either about gaining power over women or is a sex addiction. Yet, in real life David functions at a high level. He does have friends and is quite social, even having a weekly home church group meeting at his house. Yet on the chat line he says he is alone and feels unwanted.
David lives in a fantasy world, in a made up one, when on the Internet. The real sad part of all of this for me is that underneath the entire act David puts on, he seems like a lovely man who is highly confused and has lost his way with reality.
Net addiction
Through personal research I have now found some good sites on the Internet that outline what “net addiction” or “Internet dating addiction” or “cyber-addiction” is. Internet addiction is a growing, serious public health issue. And those that are addicted can be quite callous towards unsuspecting others. America has even considered this cyber-addiction to be included in the DSM V of Mental Health Disorders. It can be seen as the new growing social cancer of our century.
But how David could do this to innocent women, and repetitively, knowing he has three teenage daughters himself, is beyond comprehension. How would he like it if one of his daughters fell foul to someone just like him?
Finally, if my story can just stop this from happening to other females then that is a bonus. If what I did by becoming the player myself hurts him like he has clearly and deliberately hurt many women over a lengthy period of time then I will be very happy indeed. And my job is done.
So regardless of where you live, not just Australia, let the Internet user beware. It could cost you significantly emotionally, which will take you a long time to recover from.
Playing “The Player”
Everyone comes into one’s life for a reason. And I now firmly believe David came into mine because I was the right person to take him on and turn the tables on him. By playing “The Player,” it gave me the chance to regain my self-esteem and confidence and gain some kind of closure. My aim was to show him that one cannot use and emotionally abuse innocent people who initially come online and are often very vulnerable by those who are masters at “the game.”
I think I will stay well away from the Internet dating sites for the time being. I need to heal and become the calm, relaxed person with the happy disposition I was before.
Learn more: Survivor’s guide to healthy people and healthy relationships
Lovefraud originally posted this story on April 2, 2010.
Matt says:
” The sad fact of life is long distance relationships don’t work.”
That’s so true, and thank you for the reminder. I needed to hear that.
I know I’ve passed up a few good men (not the movie) because they were geographically undesirable. There’s just no point unless somebody wants to make the M-O-V-E.
Even without the crazy varmints (S/P/N’s), there are so many factors that can end a relationship, or prevent one from starting in the first place….things like geographic distance, no physical chemistry, no emotional chemistry, bad timing, wrong circumstances, etc. etc…..
It’s a jungle out there….no doubt about it.
I still believe in love, though….LOVE makes the world go ’round.
This I know is true.
Matt
wow that’s a good list of rules. I’m so scared I tend to e-mail and avoid meeting, waiting magically on something to happen that proves they are ok
Getting up and going out and facing the PERSON is the only way to go. Yes I know in 15 minutes whether I would sleep with someone hence the bad track record of second dates.
(The P was the only one I second dated in the past!!! how can I trust myself anymore)
So when I’m attracted to someone I’m suspicious and when I’m not attracted I’m suspicious….it’s like the door is closed for me on reationships if I’m brutally honest. I wouldn’t go through it again.
But as ROSA so eloquently puts it:
I still believe in love, though”.LOVE makes the world go ’round.
This I know is true.
Matt- I like your set of rules. I don’t know how so many people would want to internet date. I was on a site 3 years ago for awhile and I wasn’t into it. The men either had huge egos or they seemed too desperate. I couldn’t trust it and that was before my s’path. Now that I have been on here and researched SO much, I don’t trust anyone anymore, where I used to be way TOO trusting.
I’m going to wait until I get my career in order and then think about meeting someone. I need that much time just to learn my boundaries, my red flags and how to trust myself again. I don’t trust myself at all.
The few times I developed feelings for someone BEFORE I met them didn’t turn out too well. I like the idea of meeting someone right away.
Also, I cut and pasted the following from msn for anyone who is prone to internet romance scams. Here is how to spot them:
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“Online dating scams
Anyone out there never done anything dumb for love? If you are raising your hand, congratulations. You may now relinquish your credentials as a human being. The rest of you should read on.
Love-based cons are the easiest to perpetrate. Why? Because love always involves a leap of faith — trusting something you can’t see or touch. Just like Internet scams. For years, criminals have made haunts out of dating services and lonely-hearts chat rooms. Broken-hearted folks are rarely in their right minds, so they make easy targets.
I once knew the FBI agent in charge of investigating cyber-love scams. He put it this way: Men could learn a lot from con artist lovers. They send flowers and candy constantly while wooing a mark (purchased with stolen credit cards, of course). Gifts really do put women in an agreeable state of mind, he assured me.
Some cons spend months grooming their marks, waiting until after several “I love yous” before asking for $800 to be wired to the passport office in London to help clear up a paperwork mess so he can come to America for a visit.
Yes, it all sounds ridiculous. It’s not. It’s so profitable that criminals actually pay monthly fees on some dating services. Generally, the more you pay for a service the fewer criminals you’ll see, and free Craigslist personal ads tend to be a cesspool. But I’ve heard from victims who never joined a dating service but were still conned into fake love from perfectly innocent-sounding places like Facebook groups or chat rooms devoted to hobbies like stitching or horses. It all starts with a simple e-mail, perhaps enhanced by a little Facebook research (“Hey, you love the New York Islanders and the Beatles, too! Wow”)
Since I’ve written about this scam many times, I’ve even heard from concerned family members who beg me to talk the deluded lover down off the cliff when he or she is about to send a bunch of money to a scammer. Usually, I fail. Love is blind; it’s also really, really stubborn.
In the latest flavor of the scam, when a deluded lover actually wises up and confronts the criminal, he or she admits to the crime but then adds this twist: “Yes, at first it was just a con, but while we were talking I’ve really fallen in love with you.”
For a whole lot more on this insidious, more-common-than-you’d-believe crime, visit romancescams.org. The group, founded by former victims, has been fighting back for nearly 10 years. They post blacklisted photos there, e-mail addresses and typical opening lines from scammers , and lots of additional helpful scam-fighting tools. If you fall in love and have any doubts, visit the site.”
To reiterate, the site is “romancescams.org” and you can post pictures there and get other info.
Stargazer
You said something that hit me over the head
” love always involves a leap of faith trusting something you can’t see or touch”
I lept (like a lamb in spring) into the “promise of his words” that sounded glorious, his philosophy (all LIES) was so so kind, compassionate and everything I held dear, he moved TOO FAST, way TOO FAST to be true.
Can we forgive ourselves for being innocent big leaping fools who just wanted love and and happiness with another person….and ended up betrayed and savaged?
SEDUCTION happens in a second….which feels like love but its the pollen of a psychopath, very hard not to go after it…..
I’ve been there, too, bulletproof. A few times, but one time that was significant enough to bring me here. When I start falling for someone, I always get that sense that I’m in trouble. And usually I am. I don’t know if I’ll ever fall in love again honestly. The stakes are just so high.
Yeah, me too.
I can double check his wonderful philosohy on anyone of the 16 dating profiles that remained active after we were married.
Of course there was no way to find that information without first knowing it existed….
Neither was it possible to learn that he was legally married because there is no certain way to do that. Of course it would have helped to know about hims other names but how psychic can one girl be?????
I didn’t find out about any of that until I got a copy of the COURT reports after he got hauled off to jail!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
if somebody wants to fool you this way, they can. And they will.
Its not about being innocent as much as it is about there is NO WAY to get the information that would warn you off.
The system just aint set up for it and until we all get identity chips embedded in our foreheads and barcode scanners in our index fingers, it ain’t gonna happen.
But I don’t like that thought one bit either… This is a free country.
The fact is he was a jerk who took advantage for reasons unbeknownst still to me and that there is no way any of it involved love.
I was an object of some utility to him and he played me for the perception that he was a soul of some beauty and merit to whom in exchange for the gifts of heart, spirit, intellect and body I would give my own.
The bullshit meter went off and there were reasonable answers in the context of the whole story. But we are taught to ask the question about this detail or that not to question the WHOLE enchilada.
If the whole thing is a lie, who then can you trust?
The unerving of this experience is severe.
I wish there was a fast way to turn it over but there isn’t and the money involved in it is just not worth it. What a price to pay for having been lied to? And there is no choice- otherwise we’re stuck with the villan.
I have to hire multiple attornies and therapists and there isn’t going to be a dime of resitution and I know that NO ONE here can afford what it costs to undo what they caused.
The whole system if FUBAR!
Internet dating? SCREW THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It Ain’t free.
Well, my life is so full these days, I have been meeting a lot of people without having to resort to internet dating. I am very gregarious and will go out to a restaurant and sit at the community table. Or go to a workshop and become friends with one or two participants. However, I definitely notice I shy away from men a little. If there are men and women sitting at the table, I feel safer talking more with the women. I know that after the last few guys I’ve dated where I’ve ended up feeling used and discarded, I definitely have lost a lot of confidence with men. Also, I have just got it into my head that all men want younger women. I am 49, and just assume they wouldn’t take me seriously as a romantic interest. I don’t know how to get past that. I look and dress younger than my age. But I am 49 and I can’t change that. I also don’t like old geezers; my taste runs more toward more youthful men, which means they are often younger.
I am planning a trip to Costa Rica to take a training there, if it works out. I’ve been reading about women who have had bad luck in their own country who have romances “on the road” with these men from different cultures. This is even something I’ve done in my younger years. I don’t even know if I could be open to this because my confidence with men has been so damaged.