Editor’s note: Here is Part 2 of yesterday’s article, “Almost everything under the sun happened to me, and I’m fine,” written by a reader who posts as “Jen.”
Okay, so I had a crappy childhood, but I survived it. I came out of it okay. I have had what I now think might have been sociopaths in my life from time to time as friends, lovers, or family. At the time, I had no clue what they were, but I did know they were screwed up. I quickly rid parasites from my life after I figured out they were just out to use people. I was strong, and I was no way going to be surrounded by meanness.
So, 2 years after my divorce, I ran into an ex from 20 years prior. I was down in the dumps when I met him again. I had lost my wonderful job and my big fat paycheck. I had plans and dreams that were about to come true. Everything came crashing down on me, and I moved back to my hometown. (Stupid economy!) I got a small apartment for my kids, my golden retriever, and I. I was getting unemployment, but we were barely scraping by. I decided to suck up my pride and go see if the state would help me out with food stamps. I was humiliated, as I do not like taking anything from anyone.
This is where I ran into him, again. At the food stamp office. I should have known better. We started talking, and he said he was just trying to get back on his feet from his break up with his ex. He told me he had done some pretty amazing stuff in the years (now I think it was all bs), and I told him some of my experiences. I also told him I was writing a book, and he said he was doing the same. I sucked up my shyness and I gave him my number. He looked different, cleaner, and more mature than I remembered him. He was also very good looking. How could I judge him? I was getting food stamps myself!
He called a couple of days later, and said he wanted to hang out. He sounded embarrassed when he told me he was broke. I said it was okay, and we could hang out at my place. We got along great! He said he had quit drinking (he drank a lot when we were younger), and at that point in his life he only had a beer here and there. That was fine with me as I wasn’t much of a drinker. He worked, and he exercised all the time. He told me everything I wanted to hear. Maybe, at that time, he wasn’t lying, but it was short lived.
Into the trap
I fell into his trap. I was sucked in and lost. He would tell me how wonderful I was, and how much he loved me. I was rather curious as to why he never had any money to his name (not even a dollar). He was supposed to be working, and he lived with his mom (just staying there for a few months to get on his feet, again). He told me he had to help his mom out, since she was having a hard time with money. He had a car sitting in her driveway, but it was broken. I wondered why he couldn’t get it fixed. I blew these questions off in my mind. I was trying to be understanding, since life had just kicked me in the butt.
Finally, I said that I loved him back. It was right before he was going out of town with his father for Thanksgiving. When he came back he seemed different. He was colder and not as considerate of me anymore. His family suddenly started talking about his ex nonstop. He never said anything about her, and he looked uncomfortable. I guess he would get into huge fights with them over her, but they didn’t care or respect his wishes to keep her out of his and my lives. It was really weird, and I was uncomfortable.
My boyfriend, whom I was beginning to fall head over heals for, suddenly started drinking a lot. He lost his job, and was completely broke, still living at mom’s. I figured it was the stress from being broke, unemployed, and 41 living at his mom’s house. I felt terrible for this ‘poor’ soul. I wanted to help, but I didn’t have much money, either. I was starting my old company back up that my father had left barely running, as a division of his company, while I lived out of state. It was a moneymaker, but his current employees ran it into the ground. So, I was scraping by, as it was. I had my boyfriend work with me a few times, and I paid him very well. He just seemed to spend his money on beer and give it to his mother. He told me how he was depressed, and needed a full time job. I found him jobs left and right, but now I think he didn’t even call. (I was blind at the time.)
Apartment
Finally, I felt like I should do something to really help this guy. I told myself we all need a little help once in a while in life, and I could help him. I asked my brother to hire him on full time with his company. I fixed his car myself. I also got it insured and registered. My lease on my apartment was up, and I asked him if he wanted to get a place with me. He said yes.
He had me rent this beautiful townhouse with a lovely yard for my dog. Then the day before we were due to move in, he tells me he doesn’t think he is ready for a relationship. I had paid them all their money, and just signed a year’s lease, in my name only. I knew I couldn’t afford the rent on my own. I don’t even think I could speak when he told me that. The next day, he changed his tune, but he only moved in some of his clothes. I complained that he wasn’t really living there after a few weeks of him not really having any of his stuff there. So, he went to his mom’s and grabbed two things to hang on the wall. Gee…
Life was hell. He was mean to me, every day. Up and down and I didn’t know what to do. I couldn’t figure out what happened to the man I fell in love with. He started going to his mom’s every day after work, and he would spend at least two nights a week there. He complained that he didn’t want to pay rent, because ‘he deserved a Harley’ to ride. His drinking was getting out of control, as was his behavior. I was just turning into a puddle. Nothing I said or did made anything better. In fact, it only seemed to get worse. He seemed intelligent before, and now there was no logic or reason with him at all.
Ex-girlfriend
The ex-girlfriend was becoming a never-ending problem, as well. His sister decided to be best friends with her, after she said such cruel things about this woman. I found out his ex was trying to get him back, and his family was pushing him towards it. He really didn’t want her, but I didn’t know this at the time as he rarely spoke of her. They liked her better than me. She partied, did coke, and paid for all their partying. She was a nurse and made a lot of money (so they said). They said she would be rich someday. Also, she is a Navajo Indian, and he is a Sioux. I am white. They are racist. Big problem that I was unaware of.
It was all just drama that I was not used to. I was shocked by the things these people did and said. I had no clue at the time that his mom and sister were narcissists, but I did know his brother and nephew were psychopaths (the scary criminal kind). The things I’ve seen these people do is unbelievable, and it would take me 100 pages just to summarize it.
Needless to say, he moved out after 2 1/2 months, and I got stuck with rent I couldn’t afford. He got drunk and lost his job with my brother after 3 months of working there. I think it was the last straw for me. I was shattered. It was a horrible year!
Depression
I fell into a short and temporary deep depression. I am sure I wasn’t the best of mothers, walking around in a daze. I don’t remember much, and I don’t know why. My teenage son picked up some of the slack for me with my daughter. He could see something was wrong, but he didn’t know what. I remember wanting nothing more than to die. I wanted to kill myself, and it was all I could think of. I told my boyfriend something was wrong, and I was worried because I was having thoughts of suicide. He didn’t care. I asked my mom for help, and told her what I was feeling. I knew at that time that my brain was just reacting to being under too much stress for too long. I knew I needed help. No one cared or was there. I couldn’t afford therapy. The mental abuse and money situation was just weighing on me too much, and I finally broke all the way. It had gone on for too long.
The day I had picked to be the end of me came. I had plenty of life insurance for my kids, and I couldn’t see how I was any benefit to anyone. I felt like a failure in every way.
I was going to go to the mountains by myself, and I would make it look like an accident. I had it all planned out, and I looked forward to it. Then the sweetest little face came bouncing at me, and said, “Mommy, I love you. Where are you going? Can I come?” I woke up in that instant.
I felt so guilty and awful for what I was about to do. How could I leave this innocent sweet child without any parents? She loved me so, and I was being horrible and selfish in my way of thinking. How could I do that to my son as well? It would have crushed their little souls. Besides, I am the girl who has always loved life. My only fear is death. After we die, how will we hold hands, or give our babies a kiss and hugs? I like the physical aspects of love and life, so how could I be willing to leave this?
Growing stronger
I grew angry as my eyes started to open. How was it possible to twist me around so bad inside? He was just one man, and I grew up around people like him. His family reminded me of my father’s family (which I was sheltered from, for the most part). I knew better. I tried to leave him then, but I think I was still weak. This man was 41, drunk, refused to work, and living with his mother! Ewwww! AND yet, he still sucked me in, again! I felt sorry for him. How pathetic?
I did grow much stronger and rather quickly. His lies and mean stuff he pulled weren’t working anymore. He seemed more frustrated, and he got meaner. I would dump him, and he would come back. Or I would dump him, and then feel so horrible inside that I went back to him. I thought I loved him, but I know love is a two way street. It wasn’t love, but some sick twisted need. He created that need in me, but it was up to me to get rid of it.
My resentment grew and grew, until about the last month or so. Then my love started being replaced by disgust. I started to see him for what he was—stupid, boring, pathetic, and a leech. I had no respect for him. A small piece of me felt bad and loved him still, but I knew it was the beginning of the end that I looked forward to.
Breaking free
I knew I had to emotionally break free while I was with him. Otherwise, I would have forgotten the bad (like I like to do) and only remembered the good in him. I would have never been able to be free. I know me, and I know there are only 2 surefire ways to make me turn my feelings off like a lightning bolt. The first is to do or say mean things to my children, and the second is to hit me. He has never done either of these.
Well, he must have sensed my planned escape from him. He suddenly got very nice and sweet again, but I waited. I knew he’d do something horribly cruel to me in no time at all. Besides, I just had to tell myself that he is now a 42-year-old man, who lives with his mother and brother, refuses to work, and never does anything for anyone. Valentine’s Day was coming, and he has never gotten me a gift for anything, ever. He spent all of his money on beer last Saturday, and then he promptly started an insane fight over nothing. He dumped me for Valentine’s Day, just like I knew he would. Of course, he blamed me. Technically, I did the dumping, as I didn’t want to be treated so horrible, but I know his games. It was all his doing.
I feel like it was the best Valentine’s Day gift I could have ever received from him: My freedom and my sanity. I cried a little last night, but not over him. I was sad I had put myself in this situation and wasted my time and energy. I feel strong and I am done in my heart and head with him. I had already felt this way for a while, but must have needed a little more convincing.
Not jaded
I am getting back to the person I used to be, and my heart doesn’t hurt anymore. I am angry and baffled at how this one man wrecked me so badly. I went through so much as a child, and it never affected me like this.
I do know what is wrong with me, though. I have helped people throughout my life, as I have been through the school of hard knocks. Some of them have been con artists or mentally ill, and some really needed it. I need to work on my need to heal the world of its sufferings. It is me that needs more healing, and instead of doing that, I set out to save us all. Ha ha, I know it’s not possible. I am too trusting and too loving, and I think I will work on whom not to trust and love. There are a lot of cruel people in this world, but I don’t think that should stop us from caring about the ones who really need our love and trust.
I will not let this man jade me, just as I didn’t let my childhood experiences jade me. If I do, they win. I will still love, trust, and respect others, but I will be a lot more selective especially with the lower life ones. I can run from the educated ones, but the lower life dummies get my sympathies every time. “It’s not their fault life was so hard for them.” Well, it was hard for me too, but I don’t use people, treat them like objects, lie, and I’m not mean. So, boo hoo!
Hope…..
Keep in mind…..Warrior was dancing naked in a daisy field having affairs at a nudist camp, I faked cancer and was an alcoholic crazy person, my other gf has slept with her whole community for years and is crazy……all the tales from a deranged soon to be ex.
Is he paving new ground? NOT! Standard Op procedure for em.
DON”T REACT!
To anyone……about what you hear.
PERIOD!
Continue to stand up and be the person of character you are…..through this process…..people WILL see this, and it will turn on him.
Get your butt out in your community (even more than usual)and participate and be helpful and friendly with a smile……..be yourself…….stand up tall.
In re; to you sil/bil……pull back………..spaths will start confusion and you will be under the microscope…..DO NOT discuss anything with them…….just maintian a friendly ‘familial’ relationship with them…..don’t be surprised if they turn on you…..spath will find something to plant in them to aid in their turn.
Remember……loose lips sink ships.
Expect the trash talk…….expect it! You don’t want him….he must qualify that as….your crazy!!!!
It’s nothing new, and nothing all ex’s dont endure.
Oxy’s right…..you must prove $$ damages.
Take care of your kids, take care of yourself, hold your head high and perseveer.
Trash talking always haunts the talker…..in the end.
DOcument it all…..dates, times etc…….and spring it on him if you need to IN COURT!
But only if it’s needed.
I didn’t have to spring the drug dealing on the ex……there was too much in his way that HE presented all by his lonesome.
I held that back for the authorities…..and he never knew where it came from.
Get it?
We don’t always have to show our hands…….
Keep that poker face.
Learn that everything he accuses you of…..HE”S DOING.
Learn NOT to react, but to take notes…….and dig from there.
Hopeforjoy – YAYAYAYAYAAY!!!! HE’S OOOOUTT!
not gone, but at least the prick is OUT!
don’t sue. not worth your time or money or energy.
mediator already knows he’s off base, daughter knows he’s off base…that’s all good. his smear back-fired on him – all good!
you are making such progress. but yes, you are still in a war – I think EB is the best tactician we have, so get lots of advice from her.
so good to hear from you. i am not here as much as before, so i miss your updates.
all the best,
one joy xxxoooo
Dear Hope4,
I hear your daughter….I think what you should do on the mediator and the dtr is to let the mediator meet with the daughter PRIVATELY and discuss with her Whether she wants to reconcile with daddy-o or not. I think daughter will fill his ears full enough! LOL Or maybe that isn’t a good idea, I ‘m not sure, but you might talk to your lawyer about it before you do anything.
MEDIATION IS A BUST with these folks because they will just use it to dance around and around.
I suggest that you do NOT TALK to him at all, so he can’t slip in some stupid thing about reconciling…he THINKS he is being smooth and cute but he is not, but you can STOP this entirely if you do not allow him to talk to you unless in the lawyers or mediators office or by e mail. DO NOT BE IN THE SAME ROOM WITH HIM. If you are picking up or dropping off junior to visit him if you have to have someone else drive junior.
NO CONTACT means NONE except through the attorney and what is LEGALLY REQUIRED…so go NO CONTACT.
As for discussing daddy o with daughter when she says I ‘know he is a sociopath” —rather than getting into a bashing daddy-o with daughter discussion— I would suggest that you talk to her therapist (If I remember correctly she is in therapy) and decide with the therapist how you should handle it with her. Your daughter does sound pretty smart to me! LOL But I think you want to be careful in case he tries to pull a parental alienation rap on you with the court where she is concerned and I don’t want her to have to get on the stand and when his lawyer says “did your mom say daddy is a sociopath?” I don’t want her to have to say “Yes, my mom said my dad is a sociopath.” I just don’t want the arsehole to use the truth that he is a sociopath against you. Check with your land shark about it. (((hugs))))
Hopeforjoy. Well done. I listened to my daughter and you know what she said when I tried to justify what he was doing? She said ‘mother, he’s full of shite’ and he was.
Onejoy,
I miss you too! You have been a pillar through it all, thank you!
I do read more than participate and have still read your posts. You sound way better (sickness aside) and more yourself. You have moxy and it’s really great that it’s showing in your voice.
I know it’s still war and he is showing what a piece of work he really is. How could I have been in the fog? I like Oxy and EB’s definition of SOP (spath standard operating procedure)!
SSooooo good to say hi and connect, Onejoy!
EB,
Did you fake the chemo too? Or maybe you were at the nudist colony and warrior is the alcoholic? SOP. Why would I think there would be anything else? You’re right, if he accuses me, he’s really doing it. I’ve noticed this before.
He is the calm one in the crowd. The preditor. I used to wonder if he ever got nervous. He never does. Calm as a cucumber.
Candy,
They are smarted then us at times. I think we were so deep in it and we wanted to believe where our daughters had a different vantage point.
Thank gosh for their vision!
Oxy,
I don’t play into the dad bashing, that is why she is sick of me saying “Maybe one day you and dad will reconcile” If I give her the standard answer, she gives me the WTF look. But you are right. Keep it on the down low. I even tell her that she doesn’t need to know everything and to quit asking.
I told daughter that her dad does love her and daughter’s therapist said that I don’t need to say that. Kid’s know when their loved.
Hope4 Great advice here! Good for you in standing in grace and keeping your head up and standing strong!!!
One, how ya doing today chica? Feelin a little bit better?
LL
Faked Radiation…….after he kidnapped the kids, Jr called for the dog…….I had just had a radiation and I was in quarenteen, not feeling well.
Jr said…….Mom….give it up…..everyone knows the truth!
I’ll tell ya…….I WISH I HAD BEEN AT THE NUDIST COLONY!!!!!!!
Don’t worry about HIM……
Spath never appeared nervous either….it was his irritable bowel which always gave him away!!!!!
Exploit the irritable bowel!!!!!!! 🙂
Hope4
I told my children the truth about their P father. But more in clinical terms and then let them make up their own minds, while also protecting them against his machinations when he told me he wanted to see them on a regular basis (while going behind my back and telling his fam that I wouldn’t ALLOW him to see the children, can you say LIE? He didn’t want to see them!)
Soooooo I kinda did a little back spath…fun story! His fam said they wanted to see the kids for Christmas. Sure, but I”m not going so SIL is going to have to come and pick them up and bring them back, as I knew P was there and they were planning to have him see the kids at SIL’s. I decided to take myself out of ANY contact with P, so SIL was the one who arranged stuff when they wanted to see the kids. Anywho….while P was whining for MONTHS about not seeing the children (each time he planned to do this, he would bail at the last minute), fam decided to see if he might be more willing with supportive fam around LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
**cough**……….so SIL takes the kids…and guess what.. P called (AGAIN) at the last minute and fed his fam a bunch of SHIAT about how he couldn’t be there because he and gf had made other plans and wanted to attend a party! Sooooo fam got to SEE for themselves, WITHOUT me there, what an asshole he really was, how cold, lying and evil. After that day, they basically gave up on him….but they were HELLA nicer to me…
If you give em enough rope, well, they hang themselves 🙂
LL
Hey EB, I HAVE been to a nudist colony. It’s not all that it’s cracked up to be. LOL