Editor’s note: Here is Part 2 of yesterday’s article, “Almost everything under the sun happened to me, and I’m fine,” written by a reader who posts as “Jen.”
Okay, so I had a crappy childhood, but I survived it. I came out of it okay. I have had what I now think might have been sociopaths in my life from time to time as friends, lovers, or family. At the time, I had no clue what they were, but I did know they were screwed up. I quickly rid parasites from my life after I figured out they were just out to use people. I was strong, and I was no way going to be surrounded by meanness.
So, 2 years after my divorce, I ran into an ex from 20 years prior. I was down in the dumps when I met him again. I had lost my wonderful job and my big fat paycheck. I had plans and dreams that were about to come true. Everything came crashing down on me, and I moved back to my hometown. (Stupid economy!) I got a small apartment for my kids, my golden retriever, and I. I was getting unemployment, but we were barely scraping by. I decided to suck up my pride and go see if the state would help me out with food stamps. I was humiliated, as I do not like taking anything from anyone.
This is where I ran into him, again. At the food stamp office. I should have known better. We started talking, and he said he was just trying to get back on his feet from his break up with his ex. He told me he had done some pretty amazing stuff in the years (now I think it was all bs), and I told him some of my experiences. I also told him I was writing a book, and he said he was doing the same. I sucked up my shyness and I gave him my number. He looked different, cleaner, and more mature than I remembered him. He was also very good looking. How could I judge him? I was getting food stamps myself!
He called a couple of days later, and said he wanted to hang out. He sounded embarrassed when he told me he was broke. I said it was okay, and we could hang out at my place. We got along great! He said he had quit drinking (he drank a lot when we were younger), and at that point in his life he only had a beer here and there. That was fine with me as I wasn’t much of a drinker. He worked, and he exercised all the time. He told me everything I wanted to hear. Maybe, at that time, he wasn’t lying, but it was short lived.
Into the trap
I fell into his trap. I was sucked in and lost. He would tell me how wonderful I was, and how much he loved me. I was rather curious as to why he never had any money to his name (not even a dollar). He was supposed to be working, and he lived with his mom (just staying there for a few months to get on his feet, again). He told me he had to help his mom out, since she was having a hard time with money. He had a car sitting in her driveway, but it was broken. I wondered why he couldn’t get it fixed. I blew these questions off in my mind. I was trying to be understanding, since life had just kicked me in the butt.
Finally, I said that I loved him back. It was right before he was going out of town with his father for Thanksgiving. When he came back he seemed different. He was colder and not as considerate of me anymore. His family suddenly started talking about his ex nonstop. He never said anything about her, and he looked uncomfortable. I guess he would get into huge fights with them over her, but they didn’t care or respect his wishes to keep her out of his and my lives. It was really weird, and I was uncomfortable.
My boyfriend, whom I was beginning to fall head over heals for, suddenly started drinking a lot. He lost his job, and was completely broke, still living at mom’s. I figured it was the stress from being broke, unemployed, and 41 living at his mom’s house. I felt terrible for this ‘poor’ soul. I wanted to help, but I didn’t have much money, either. I was starting my old company back up that my father had left barely running, as a division of his company, while I lived out of state. It was a moneymaker, but his current employees ran it into the ground. So, I was scraping by, as it was. I had my boyfriend work with me a few times, and I paid him very well. He just seemed to spend his money on beer and give it to his mother. He told me how he was depressed, and needed a full time job. I found him jobs left and right, but now I think he didn’t even call. (I was blind at the time.)
Apartment
Finally, I felt like I should do something to really help this guy. I told myself we all need a little help once in a while in life, and I could help him. I asked my brother to hire him on full time with his company. I fixed his car myself. I also got it insured and registered. My lease on my apartment was up, and I asked him if he wanted to get a place with me. He said yes.
He had me rent this beautiful townhouse with a lovely yard for my dog. Then the day before we were due to move in, he tells me he doesn’t think he is ready for a relationship. I had paid them all their money, and just signed a year’s lease, in my name only. I knew I couldn’t afford the rent on my own. I don’t even think I could speak when he told me that. The next day, he changed his tune, but he only moved in some of his clothes. I complained that he wasn’t really living there after a few weeks of him not really having any of his stuff there. So, he went to his mom’s and grabbed two things to hang on the wall. Gee…
Life was hell. He was mean to me, every day. Up and down and I didn’t know what to do. I couldn’t figure out what happened to the man I fell in love with. He started going to his mom’s every day after work, and he would spend at least two nights a week there. He complained that he didn’t want to pay rent, because ‘he deserved a Harley’ to ride. His drinking was getting out of control, as was his behavior. I was just turning into a puddle. Nothing I said or did made anything better. In fact, it only seemed to get worse. He seemed intelligent before, and now there was no logic or reason with him at all.
Ex-girlfriend
The ex-girlfriend was becoming a never-ending problem, as well. His sister decided to be best friends with her, after she said such cruel things about this woman. I found out his ex was trying to get him back, and his family was pushing him towards it. He really didn’t want her, but I didn’t know this at the time as he rarely spoke of her. They liked her better than me. She partied, did coke, and paid for all their partying. She was a nurse and made a lot of money (so they said). They said she would be rich someday. Also, she is a Navajo Indian, and he is a Sioux. I am white. They are racist. Big problem that I was unaware of.
It was all just drama that I was not used to. I was shocked by the things these people did and said. I had no clue at the time that his mom and sister were narcissists, but I did know his brother and nephew were psychopaths (the scary criminal kind). The things I’ve seen these people do is unbelievable, and it would take me 100 pages just to summarize it.
Needless to say, he moved out after 2 1/2 months, and I got stuck with rent I couldn’t afford. He got drunk and lost his job with my brother after 3 months of working there. I think it was the last straw for me. I was shattered. It was a horrible year!
Depression
I fell into a short and temporary deep depression. I am sure I wasn’t the best of mothers, walking around in a daze. I don’t remember much, and I don’t know why. My teenage son picked up some of the slack for me with my daughter. He could see something was wrong, but he didn’t know what. I remember wanting nothing more than to die. I wanted to kill myself, and it was all I could think of. I told my boyfriend something was wrong, and I was worried because I was having thoughts of suicide. He didn’t care. I asked my mom for help, and told her what I was feeling. I knew at that time that my brain was just reacting to being under too much stress for too long. I knew I needed help. No one cared or was there. I couldn’t afford therapy. The mental abuse and money situation was just weighing on me too much, and I finally broke all the way. It had gone on for too long.
The day I had picked to be the end of me came. I had plenty of life insurance for my kids, and I couldn’t see how I was any benefit to anyone. I felt like a failure in every way.
I was going to go to the mountains by myself, and I would make it look like an accident. I had it all planned out, and I looked forward to it. Then the sweetest little face came bouncing at me, and said, “Mommy, I love you. Where are you going? Can I come?” I woke up in that instant.
I felt so guilty and awful for what I was about to do. How could I leave this innocent sweet child without any parents? She loved me so, and I was being horrible and selfish in my way of thinking. How could I do that to my son as well? It would have crushed their little souls. Besides, I am the girl who has always loved life. My only fear is death. After we die, how will we hold hands, or give our babies a kiss and hugs? I like the physical aspects of love and life, so how could I be willing to leave this?
Growing stronger
I grew angry as my eyes started to open. How was it possible to twist me around so bad inside? He was just one man, and I grew up around people like him. His family reminded me of my father’s family (which I was sheltered from, for the most part). I knew better. I tried to leave him then, but I think I was still weak. This man was 41, drunk, refused to work, and living with his mother! Ewwww! AND yet, he still sucked me in, again! I felt sorry for him. How pathetic?
I did grow much stronger and rather quickly. His lies and mean stuff he pulled weren’t working anymore. He seemed more frustrated, and he got meaner. I would dump him, and he would come back. Or I would dump him, and then feel so horrible inside that I went back to him. I thought I loved him, but I know love is a two way street. It wasn’t love, but some sick twisted need. He created that need in me, but it was up to me to get rid of it.
My resentment grew and grew, until about the last month or so. Then my love started being replaced by disgust. I started to see him for what he was—stupid, boring, pathetic, and a leech. I had no respect for him. A small piece of me felt bad and loved him still, but I knew it was the beginning of the end that I looked forward to.
Breaking free
I knew I had to emotionally break free while I was with him. Otherwise, I would have forgotten the bad (like I like to do) and only remembered the good in him. I would have never been able to be free. I know me, and I know there are only 2 surefire ways to make me turn my feelings off like a lightning bolt. The first is to do or say mean things to my children, and the second is to hit me. He has never done either of these.
Well, he must have sensed my planned escape from him. He suddenly got very nice and sweet again, but I waited. I knew he’d do something horribly cruel to me in no time at all. Besides, I just had to tell myself that he is now a 42-year-old man, who lives with his mother and brother, refuses to work, and never does anything for anyone. Valentine’s Day was coming, and he has never gotten me a gift for anything, ever. He spent all of his money on beer last Saturday, and then he promptly started an insane fight over nothing. He dumped me for Valentine’s Day, just like I knew he would. Of course, he blamed me. Technically, I did the dumping, as I didn’t want to be treated so horrible, but I know his games. It was all his doing.
I feel like it was the best Valentine’s Day gift I could have ever received from him: My freedom and my sanity. I cried a little last night, but not over him. I was sad I had put myself in this situation and wasted my time and energy. I feel strong and I am done in my heart and head with him. I had already felt this way for a while, but must have needed a little more convincing.
Not jaded
I am getting back to the person I used to be, and my heart doesn’t hurt anymore. I am angry and baffled at how this one man wrecked me so badly. I went through so much as a child, and it never affected me like this.
I do know what is wrong with me, though. I have helped people throughout my life, as I have been through the school of hard knocks. Some of them have been con artists or mentally ill, and some really needed it. I need to work on my need to heal the world of its sufferings. It is me that needs more healing, and instead of doing that, I set out to save us all. Ha ha, I know it’s not possible. I am too trusting and too loving, and I think I will work on whom not to trust and love. There are a lot of cruel people in this world, but I don’t think that should stop us from caring about the ones who really need our love and trust.
I will not let this man jade me, just as I didn’t let my childhood experiences jade me. If I do, they win. I will still love, trust, and respect others, but I will be a lot more selective especially with the lower life ones. I can run from the educated ones, but the lower life dummies get my sympathies every time. “It’s not their fault life was so hard for them.” Well, it was hard for me too, but I don’t use people, treat them like objects, lie, and I’m not mean. So, boo hoo!
Dear Warrior,
He is NOT trying to help you, and his concern for YOUR legal fees which he points out his are SMALL and it won’t help him any to settle without an attorney so why is he being such a “good guy” to try to save YOU legal fees? His lack of cooperation has COST YOU TONS OF LEGAL FEES so why is he offering to be so “good” NOW?
Some how he plans to trick you into signing something that will be to HIS BENEFIT NOT YOURS….PAY THE LEGAL FEES AND BE SAFE. You will regret it in the future if you don’t. Don’t communicate with him at all. I wouldn’t even answer his e mail. Not even a “NO”—just no contact! No response.
YOU will do FINE! He is not a “protector” he is an ABUSER, you may be by yourself, responsible for yourself, but that is called ADULTHOOD, and we are all responsible for ourselves, even if we have a mate/spouse. BUILD yourself a life and build yourself a support network of friends….that is what life is all about.
YOU CAN DO THIS, you can take care of your own needs….he didn’t do anything beneficial for you….he only made things harder for you. YOU ARE STRONGER THAN YOU EVEN REALIZE! (((hugs))) and God bless.
Dancing, Most of this email is actually about HIM. Note all of the ‘I’ in his 6 lines of email then half way through he switches it to ‘we’ and ‘us’. He just wants you to cave in. Be strong, you are almost there.
I do not want
I accept
I hope
I am
I am
I do not
I assume
I am
Shabby, Oxy, Candy–thanks.
Any time he reaches out his tentacles, an email, any contact, I still get anxious. The hardest part is not letting my brain switch to the fantasyland of some good time. I instantly don’t trust myself and revert to a hypnotic zombie state “he is good, he cares, he = security”.
After above email he sent another apologetic one:
“I did not mean to sound arrogant when I said “I accept your decision” if you took it that way – I only meant that I’ve come to terms with it and wish you well and was only offering to try to save us some money. Have a nice day”
Oxy, I haven’t replied. ANy reply would engage me, adn I don’t want that.
He’s accepted the final compromise I offered, which I am angry about bec. it’s not fair at all, but just to get it done. Next step is trial. I asked my lawyer if we should set a trial date just to have a definite deadline in sight. He advised against it and just to wait and let his lawyer write up agreement and go over with him. The thing is he doesn’t want the conclusion. He CAN and WILL wait indefinitely if he can. No legal mechanic is holding him to do anything at any time. He does not want the divorce Period.
Meanwhile not sure if I want to ask my lawyer why last bill was so high as there was no activity in past two months of waiting. LIterally a couple of 3 minute phone calls and couple of status, shor emails can’t be worth five hours of work, but I don’t want to diminish my lawyer’s work either. How can I ask him nicely? Say that I was surprised that the bill was so high. Appreciate the work he is doing for me, just would he please clarify whether these few calls took 5 hrs of his time? Is that obnoxious to ask?
Meanwhile I began dating someone else past 2 months. Hit a bump recently and LF family urged me to end it. I couldn’t end it without understanding what happened. So I clarified things and decided to continue seeing him. More on that in another post.
Dancing – Not sure why he is still on your email list. May I respectfully suggest you DO NOT read or reply. Hit delete, anything he has to say should go through his lawyer, that’s what you are paying for.
5 ‘I’s in one line!!!
‘Have a nice day’ Pass the WTF bucket. Maybe grey rock is the way forward. Borrrrrring.
The lawyer – urrrm – how about a detailed breakdown of his costs? Maybe you could say that you wish to authorise any further contacts and know the costs beforehand.
Dating – it sounds as if you maybe thinking it’s a bit soon, you are still very vulnerable.
Is anyone else having trouble editing?
Dear Dancing warriior,
I would ask your lawyer just as you said above why it was so high? I thought that sounded reasonable way to ask.
As for dating someone else—anyone else at all—my OPINION only—is that I think you are still too vulnerable and “needy” to be a good judge of what is healthy and what is not….believe me I have BEEN THERE for sure, after my husband died, I was so needy and lonely that I fell for another psychopath. Even if I had been pursued by PRINCE CHARMING HIMSELF, I would not have been a good match for even the best man. Not meaning you are not a good person, not that at all, but I think we need TIME to heal and become aware of our strengths before we focus ANY of our energy away from ourselves. Relationships take energy, even good relationships take energy, and right now, I think all of us need to focus on healing ourselves FIRST rather than expend any of our scarce and precious energy on a relationship at this point.
Your comment “I couldn’t end it without understanding what happened” concerns me somewhat…. there is NO WAY we will ever fully understand “what happened” with the psychopath/controller/abuser, it isn’t about “understanding” it before we can end it, it is about feeling that there is something wrong…something or someone that is abusing us…using us.
I encourage you to examine not whether this man you are seeing is a “good man” but ARE YOU READY for a relationship that is healthy? Are YOU able to divide your attention from healing to building another relationship. What NEED or FEAR does having this new man in your life take care of?
When I got involved with the BF who was a P after my husband died, the FEAR of being alone was the thing the man calmed down for me…until he started to drop his mask and show that he wasn’t able to love me, that he was only using me to obtain cover for his many affairs by having a “respectable wife.”
Now, I have FACED my fears, and over come them and no longer look to having another relationship as a “savior” from loneliness and insecurity. I realize now that I am able to take care of myself and IF a GOOD relationship comes along I am OK with that but I don’t NEED a relationship to make me WHOLE. I am WHOLE just the way I am.
This is all part of the process of healing the wounds that the psychopaths leave…but too many times “new” relationships don’t really heal that wound, just put a “bandage” over a deeply infected wound that leads to more suffering because the wound from the psychopath wasn’t really healed, just covered up. In other words I wasn’t able to have a HEALTHY RELATIONSHIP in the shape Ii was in at the time I hooked up with my BF who was the P, if he had been a great guy, I would still have not been ready at that time. (BTW “time” should be measured in healing rather than months or years I think. With everything else I’ve had going, I think it is only now, over 6 1/2 years since my husband’s death that I am even close to ready for another relationship if it did come along. The fact that I no longer feel Desperate to find one I think shows me I am actually more ready, but if I don’t find one, that’s okay too.) God bless, you Warrior, you have come a long way since you have been here at LF.
Dear Ox,
Wish I could have a hug from you. Your words are loving and caring. I know I have to be a comfort for myself now. I know what it’s like when I go in my “default” little-girl, frightened, helpless state. I know how healing it would be to surround myself with warm, supportive women, rather than a man, till I’m firmly on my feet all on my own.
So grateful to have a therapist as a solid reliable support who keeps me from straying in the woods. Still have to test my wings by flying and falling on my own. Can’t learn by staying in nest. So that’s ok with me, to try out a relationship knowing my Achilles’ heel. I have enjoyed the chance to practice setting boundaries and asserting my likes/dislikes with this man, just what I did not do with exH. “Refugees can’t be choosy,” and I had escaped from home when I came to live with him and marry him, so I was totally submissive and compliant, not wanting to lose him, and not having anyplace to go.
It’s different now. I have a job, my mom, my daughter, a home, friends. I don’t need him.
BTW I know you don’t want to hear it AT ALL and are ready to go for that skillet. I have to fill in the blank on what happened recently when I posted. Humor me, ok?
I emailed him during work, w/out context or explanation, that I’d like him to find a therapist NOW rather than later. He didn’t respond. He was offended and heard it as an ultimatuum, either take it or leave it, I won’t be with you unless you talk to someone. Not the most healthy response, but if someone emailed me out of the blue, go see a shrink, I’m not sure I’d be thrilled either. So when he texted to send his camera, I was hurt. But I didn’t text or call, “what’s going on?” but got stubborn myself and engaged in tit for tat re. the darned camera. The fact that I had real feelings, but skipped over them, and jumped to a conclusion, is not a good way to communicate for ME. Regardless of who I’m dealing with or what the other person feels or does.
So I called him and said that we’ve had some difficult emails, and I’ll get him his camera, and if he wanted to talk about my recent email that may have unintentionally offended him. He was SO relieved that I called and said yes he felt I rejected him, and the word “now” in the email sounded like a hard demand, an ultimatuum. Later we talked and he said he’s totally open to therapy, and would discuss with his physician this MOn at his physical.
At this time, he may serve a purpose in my life. There are many benefits to having a companion–and I won’t lie to you, I really enjoy the physical contact when we can be together. Talk about starvation Oxy. Starvation! LOL
Huge hug, and thank you thank you thank you for being there for me whenever I post here. Really wish I could see you in person and give you a gigantic hug and talk with you.
Dear Dancing wArrior,
I wish I could give you a hug too! I’m glad I didn’t offend you, I sure didn’t intend to do so…but I just was thinking about how NEEDY I had been after my husband died and how scared I was to be alone. You sound like you are getting your feet back under you to stand strong….but be CAREFUL and cautious and know that no one, even prince charming, can meet your need for happiness or security, it must come from within. I wish, SO wish, I had realized that when I was desperately seeking–starving as you said—for someone to meet my needs. All the time I had only to look in the mirror! But I didn’t know that at the time.
The weather has been wonderful the last couple of days here, very unusually warm for early spring, and I worked outside, raking leaves and clearing out the gardening spot, and just musing and thinking as I worked—thinking about the good things In my life, the things I’ve learned, the things I still need to work on learning and putting into practice. It has been so quiet here in my “hole in the woods” only the occasional sound of a very distant airplane or a car to break the silence except for the “natural sounds” of an insect. I looked around at the various things here and the memories that they brought back of things I did with my husband and my sons and friends and the animals I’ve had here….and I think about how fortunate I am and how GLAD I am that I have finally turned my course from running from pain to going TOWARD peace. I’m not really sure how to explain it, but I guess that is the best I can do, no longer running from something, but working TOWARD peace. (((hugs)))) and God bless you on your journey toward peace!
Oxy, lovely image of your working in the garden.
Lovely and thank you for showing a glimpse of it.
And thanks for the blessings.
Dancing Warrior –
“Fear my grief will kill me. ”
I honestly hought that mine would, but it didn’t. It made me very sick, it made me very tired, it made me withdraw myself from circulation, but it didn’t kill me like I expected it to. I still (4 years post-spath) have residual health effects from it (the tailings of long-term PTSD and now Fibromyalgia that currently prevents me from working) BUT I’m not dead, I DON’T miss him and it’s nOT gonna kill me!!!
You will be fine too. xxx (patience)
Re the high legal costs could you ask for an itemised account (I think they are supposed to give you this anyhow?) or even wait until its all over (and the job that needs doing has been done) before you tackle the attorney about the fees? Just remember, too, what your source of info is about “low fees” and “high fees” – that would be the spath right? The liar and the cheat? I wouldn’t take his word for anything – check it out for yourself. There are usually legislated provisions that cap what lawyers can charge. Do some research on it.
BTW – My spath’s favourite line was “Have a nice day!” It didn’t actually mean that he wanted anyone he said it to, to HAVE a nice day; it was just dribble coming out of the side of his mouth.