Editor’s note: Here is Part 2 of yesterday’s article, “Almost everything under the sun happened to me, and I’m fine,” written by a reader who posts as “Jen.”
Okay, so I had a crappy childhood, but I survived it. I came out of it okay. I have had what I now think might have been sociopaths in my life from time to time as friends, lovers, or family. At the time, I had no clue what they were, but I did know they were screwed up. I quickly rid parasites from my life after I figured out they were just out to use people. I was strong, and I was no way going to be surrounded by meanness.
So, 2 years after my divorce, I ran into an ex from 20 years prior. I was down in the dumps when I met him again. I had lost my wonderful job and my big fat paycheck. I had plans and dreams that were about to come true. Everything came crashing down on me, and I moved back to my hometown. (Stupid economy!) I got a small apartment for my kids, my golden retriever, and I. I was getting unemployment, but we were barely scraping by. I decided to suck up my pride and go see if the state would help me out with food stamps. I was humiliated, as I do not like taking anything from anyone.
This is where I ran into him, again. At the food stamp office. I should have known better. We started talking, and he said he was just trying to get back on his feet from his break up with his ex. He told me he had done some pretty amazing stuff in the years (now I think it was all bs), and I told him some of my experiences. I also told him I was writing a book, and he said he was doing the same. I sucked up my shyness and I gave him my number. He looked different, cleaner, and more mature than I remembered him. He was also very good looking. How could I judge him? I was getting food stamps myself!
He called a couple of days later, and said he wanted to hang out. He sounded embarrassed when he told me he was broke. I said it was okay, and we could hang out at my place. We got along great! He said he had quit drinking (he drank a lot when we were younger), and at that point in his life he only had a beer here and there. That was fine with me as I wasn’t much of a drinker. He worked, and he exercised all the time. He told me everything I wanted to hear. Maybe, at that time, he wasn’t lying, but it was short lived.
Into the trap
I fell into his trap. I was sucked in and lost. He would tell me how wonderful I was, and how much he loved me. I was rather curious as to why he never had any money to his name (not even a dollar). He was supposed to be working, and he lived with his mom (just staying there for a few months to get on his feet, again). He told me he had to help his mom out, since she was having a hard time with money. He had a car sitting in her driveway, but it was broken. I wondered why he couldn’t get it fixed. I blew these questions off in my mind. I was trying to be understanding, since life had just kicked me in the butt.
Finally, I said that I loved him back. It was right before he was going out of town with his father for Thanksgiving. When he came back he seemed different. He was colder and not as considerate of me anymore. His family suddenly started talking about his ex nonstop. He never said anything about her, and he looked uncomfortable. I guess he would get into huge fights with them over her, but they didn’t care or respect his wishes to keep her out of his and my lives. It was really weird, and I was uncomfortable.
My boyfriend, whom I was beginning to fall head over heals for, suddenly started drinking a lot. He lost his job, and was completely broke, still living at mom’s. I figured it was the stress from being broke, unemployed, and 41 living at his mom’s house. I felt terrible for this ‘poor’ soul. I wanted to help, but I didn’t have much money, either. I was starting my old company back up that my father had left barely running, as a division of his company, while I lived out of state. It was a moneymaker, but his current employees ran it into the ground. So, I was scraping by, as it was. I had my boyfriend work with me a few times, and I paid him very well. He just seemed to spend his money on beer and give it to his mother. He told me how he was depressed, and needed a full time job. I found him jobs left and right, but now I think he didn’t even call. (I was blind at the time.)
Apartment
Finally, I felt like I should do something to really help this guy. I told myself we all need a little help once in a while in life, and I could help him. I asked my brother to hire him on full time with his company. I fixed his car myself. I also got it insured and registered. My lease on my apartment was up, and I asked him if he wanted to get a place with me. He said yes.
He had me rent this beautiful townhouse with a lovely yard for my dog. Then the day before we were due to move in, he tells me he doesn’t think he is ready for a relationship. I had paid them all their money, and just signed a year’s lease, in my name only. I knew I couldn’t afford the rent on my own. I don’t even think I could speak when he told me that. The next day, he changed his tune, but he only moved in some of his clothes. I complained that he wasn’t really living there after a few weeks of him not really having any of his stuff there. So, he went to his mom’s and grabbed two things to hang on the wall. Gee…
Life was hell. He was mean to me, every day. Up and down and I didn’t know what to do. I couldn’t figure out what happened to the man I fell in love with. He started going to his mom’s every day after work, and he would spend at least two nights a week there. He complained that he didn’t want to pay rent, because ‘he deserved a Harley’ to ride. His drinking was getting out of control, as was his behavior. I was just turning into a puddle. Nothing I said or did made anything better. In fact, it only seemed to get worse. He seemed intelligent before, and now there was no logic or reason with him at all.
Ex-girlfriend
The ex-girlfriend was becoming a never-ending problem, as well. His sister decided to be best friends with her, after she said such cruel things about this woman. I found out his ex was trying to get him back, and his family was pushing him towards it. He really didn’t want her, but I didn’t know this at the time as he rarely spoke of her. They liked her better than me. She partied, did coke, and paid for all their partying. She was a nurse and made a lot of money (so they said). They said she would be rich someday. Also, she is a Navajo Indian, and he is a Sioux. I am white. They are racist. Big problem that I was unaware of.
It was all just drama that I was not used to. I was shocked by the things these people did and said. I had no clue at the time that his mom and sister were narcissists, but I did know his brother and nephew were psychopaths (the scary criminal kind). The things I’ve seen these people do is unbelievable, and it would take me 100 pages just to summarize it.
Needless to say, he moved out after 2 1/2 months, and I got stuck with rent I couldn’t afford. He got drunk and lost his job with my brother after 3 months of working there. I think it was the last straw for me. I was shattered. It was a horrible year!
Depression
I fell into a short and temporary deep depression. I am sure I wasn’t the best of mothers, walking around in a daze. I don’t remember much, and I don’t know why. My teenage son picked up some of the slack for me with my daughter. He could see something was wrong, but he didn’t know what. I remember wanting nothing more than to die. I wanted to kill myself, and it was all I could think of. I told my boyfriend something was wrong, and I was worried because I was having thoughts of suicide. He didn’t care. I asked my mom for help, and told her what I was feeling. I knew at that time that my brain was just reacting to being under too much stress for too long. I knew I needed help. No one cared or was there. I couldn’t afford therapy. The mental abuse and money situation was just weighing on me too much, and I finally broke all the way. It had gone on for too long.
The day I had picked to be the end of me came. I had plenty of life insurance for my kids, and I couldn’t see how I was any benefit to anyone. I felt like a failure in every way.
I was going to go to the mountains by myself, and I would make it look like an accident. I had it all planned out, and I looked forward to it. Then the sweetest little face came bouncing at me, and said, “Mommy, I love you. Where are you going? Can I come?” I woke up in that instant.
I felt so guilty and awful for what I was about to do. How could I leave this innocent sweet child without any parents? She loved me so, and I was being horrible and selfish in my way of thinking. How could I do that to my son as well? It would have crushed their little souls. Besides, I am the girl who has always loved life. My only fear is death. After we die, how will we hold hands, or give our babies a kiss and hugs? I like the physical aspects of love and life, so how could I be willing to leave this?
Growing stronger
I grew angry as my eyes started to open. How was it possible to twist me around so bad inside? He was just one man, and I grew up around people like him. His family reminded me of my father’s family (which I was sheltered from, for the most part). I knew better. I tried to leave him then, but I think I was still weak. This man was 41, drunk, refused to work, and living with his mother! Ewwww! AND yet, he still sucked me in, again! I felt sorry for him. How pathetic?
I did grow much stronger and rather quickly. His lies and mean stuff he pulled weren’t working anymore. He seemed more frustrated, and he got meaner. I would dump him, and he would come back. Or I would dump him, and then feel so horrible inside that I went back to him. I thought I loved him, but I know love is a two way street. It wasn’t love, but some sick twisted need. He created that need in me, but it was up to me to get rid of it.
My resentment grew and grew, until about the last month or so. Then my love started being replaced by disgust. I started to see him for what he was—stupid, boring, pathetic, and a leech. I had no respect for him. A small piece of me felt bad and loved him still, but I knew it was the beginning of the end that I looked forward to.
Breaking free
I knew I had to emotionally break free while I was with him. Otherwise, I would have forgotten the bad (like I like to do) and only remembered the good in him. I would have never been able to be free. I know me, and I know there are only 2 surefire ways to make me turn my feelings off like a lightning bolt. The first is to do or say mean things to my children, and the second is to hit me. He has never done either of these.
Well, he must have sensed my planned escape from him. He suddenly got very nice and sweet again, but I waited. I knew he’d do something horribly cruel to me in no time at all. Besides, I just had to tell myself that he is now a 42-year-old man, who lives with his mother and brother, refuses to work, and never does anything for anyone. Valentine’s Day was coming, and he has never gotten me a gift for anything, ever. He spent all of his money on beer last Saturday, and then he promptly started an insane fight over nothing. He dumped me for Valentine’s Day, just like I knew he would. Of course, he blamed me. Technically, I did the dumping, as I didn’t want to be treated so horrible, but I know his games. It was all his doing.
I feel like it was the best Valentine’s Day gift I could have ever received from him: My freedom and my sanity. I cried a little last night, but not over him. I was sad I had put myself in this situation and wasted my time and energy. I feel strong and I am done in my heart and head with him. I had already felt this way for a while, but must have needed a little more convincing.
Not jaded
I am getting back to the person I used to be, and my heart doesn’t hurt anymore. I am angry and baffled at how this one man wrecked me so badly. I went through so much as a child, and it never affected me like this.
I do know what is wrong with me, though. I have helped people throughout my life, as I have been through the school of hard knocks. Some of them have been con artists or mentally ill, and some really needed it. I need to work on my need to heal the world of its sufferings. It is me that needs more healing, and instead of doing that, I set out to save us all. Ha ha, I know it’s not possible. I am too trusting and too loving, and I think I will work on whom not to trust and love. There are a lot of cruel people in this world, but I don’t think that should stop us from caring about the ones who really need our love and trust.
I will not let this man jade me, just as I didn’t let my childhood experiences jade me. If I do, they win. I will still love, trust, and respect others, but I will be a lot more selective especially with the lower life ones. I can run from the educated ones, but the lower life dummies get my sympathies every time. “It’s not their fault life was so hard for them.” Well, it was hard for me too, but I don’t use people, treat them like objects, lie, and I’m not mean. So, boo hoo!
Sky……..
Ya know what? Sure wish I had this site when the “oxytocin” kicked in, yet my GUT was still intact.
I might have made a COMPLETELY different choice.
Sometimes………………..Well, I don’t want to break anyone’s heart.
I want to STRENGTHEN Their intuition. You’re recalling something we all felt two months in…but there were red flags we IGNORED………
She’s seeing them.
I”m SO GLAD! This is where we can UNDERSCORE her GUT and INTUITION…
YAY! SO GLAD for that!!
Sky, I hear sorrow for you………..I understand, Chica. I feel it too.
I think (correct me FREELY) if I’m wrong here, but….there are triggers for us both the last couple of days….
But I’m not so triggered that I’m going to allow myself to get so stuck in the web that I can’t “help” someone else out. Ox might BOINK me good on this one, but I think it’s right.
The Ten Signs You’re Dating A Sociopath DEFINITELY apply here.
I can’t let what I felt my heart was feeling two months in, to knock out my good sense now in assisting someone else who comes here and shares the red flags when it’s LOUD AND CLEAR that they are PRESENT.
I”m proud of her. Her INSTINCT and GUT are speaking to her and she’s not WRONG…………what a great place to vent that!
That’s why Donna and so many others are trying to educate us and others who will (unfortunately) come after us, and those of us that are healing………
This guy is a L-O-S-E-R. It’s better to cut your losses at two months, oxytocin and all, then many years in….
Dear one! GET OUT of the relationshit. CUT your losses.
TWEEK your radar. YOU DID GOOD COMING HERE! WOOT!
Well, had my shrimp. Now my son and I are fighting over who gets the wiener tonight. lol! (Hens??)
It’s darned cold here in OreGONE!
19 degrees forecasted tonight! Snow on the ground……..
I’m gonna go steal my little heater and say good night!
Love to you all.
LL
Sky,
No. Not true. That negates the necessity of the ten traits.
He has too many red flags.
You don’t test a sociopath Sky.
And you don’t test as many red flags as he has.
You RUN. Period
LL
Sky,
Excuse me, I didn’t mean to invalidate you and how you feel. I mean I don’t agree.
He has too many red flags.
Testing a sociopath or someone who exhibits signs, is not a test.
It’s a get out now. RIGHT NOW. 🙂
L,
it was about 2 months when the exP had me “arrested” by the singing telegram cop/man. Within a few weeks, I was in an accident that sealed my fate: a huge and looming lawsuit worth $100,000.00 in 1984 dollars. Grey rock would not have made this conman go away since he was expecting the big payoff. But if I had known, it would have given me clues to understand and dump him.
I would never be pissed at you.((LL))
We are on the same road. I’m only worried about triggering you. I know how vulnerable you are and don’t want to do that.xxooxxoo
UGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sky, I”M OKAY with this!!!
Are you sure it’s not BOTH of us who are not triggered here? LOL I love you sky!!
If you KNEW what SHE knows and came here to tell us two months in, what would you have SAID to you??
Same thing I’m saying.
**Sees ox headin this way with frying pan**.
Chica…………….here’s the bottom line.
She SAW RED FLAGS (They’re HUGE HERE), came here, posted……got VALIDATION THAT YEP YEP YEP SURE IS A RED FLAG!!!
Sweetheart, you DON”T grey rock that MANY red flags, you effing RUN!
Off to bed sky. Talk at ya tomorrow!!!
HUGSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LL
LL,
I’m not telling you that you’re wrong. YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY TOTALLY RIGHT. I’m saying that our hearts are TURNED AGAINST US. Our hearts are like Peter when he denied Christ. They are traitors. They need to be treated DIFFERENTLY than our brains. (If you know what I mean)
I don’t trust my heart anymore. but I can’t deny its influence on me. So I do what I can to treat it better and give it what it needs. It needs much more EVIDENCE. It’s a stupid heart. I think it has an IQ of 50. But it’s all I got, so I have to be very careful with it.
I think your heart is much smarter or you have better control of it. You’ve been much braver than I ever was. I’m not like that so I have to figure out “tricks” that will make me function.
Sky,
You’re smarter than you think…even in your wonderful, big huge loving insightful heart 🙂
Love you.
LL
Morning everybody.
This is an interesting conversation. Mind if I jump in with my own 2 cents?
DW, I agree with LL. They are all charming, open and honest, fun and good natured at first. I think you got a glimmer of the guy behind the mask…is he a spath? Don’t know, but you are intuitively reacting to warning signs. Lots of them.
Remember that we tend to attract and be attracted to the same type of guy, over and over again, unless, we do a lot of work on ourselves. (I don’t even entertain the thought that I could be attracted to another type, so I don’t date.)
How this happens is un-canny, because they don’t seem the same, but underneith the same dynamics are in play, and after awhile it all becomes clear.
From your first post, I pinged on the very early, “I love you” and the “I don’t want another man to touch you” comment.
I pinged because I’ve experienced them, and been sucked in by them. A dream come true. NOT.
The gun incident and suicidal thoughts. Big issues. Scarey.
Crazy wives. UH huh. Blame shifting, projecting and smear campain is possible, but if he is telling the truth and they were unstable, why was he attracted to two of them? Disorder! It happens all the time that two disorders find each-other and at first it seems like a match made in heaven…see above. The uncanny. It’s a match made in hell and very addictive.
From your next post, I got the creeps about him reading the same book, and dropping everything to go to yoga class. He’s mirroring and stealing your identity, (because he doesn’t have one of his own?) putting it on and wearing it. Borderlines do that.
Interestingly enough, I’ve been reading as much as I can about Oxytocin, the last few days. It not only bonds us to our sex partner, but makes us more trusting, and more empathetic. Also increases generosity. Spaths secrete Oxytocin, but they don’t have as many receptors in the brain so it doesn’t really reach them. While we are being flooded with the warm fuzzies, they aren’t! The implications of that are staggering. I wonder if its an inflluence on love addictions.
Sky, I understand your getting it through your heart theory…I too had to know it in my heart, and it took years…but I suggest she leave tthis alone. It’s still early enough to run. Give it a little more time, and a little more oxytocin and she may be hooked, in spite of her doubts. Happens all the time.
There. JM2C.
Dancing Warrior
FEED BACK: Divorced three times, four kids from 3 marriages. STRIKE ONE, TWO, THREE and FOUR
lives two hours away (strike five)
met on internet (strike six)
Too much drama Me thinks!
DW,
I just reviewed one of your posts above that I didn’t see last night.
Sounds to me as if you’re trying to talk yourself out of your intuitiveness about the “mask slipping” here. It just reads so spathy it’s not even funny. Even if he is NOT spath, CLEARLY he is TOXIC. The love bombing, candy, flowers, etc….UGH!
Let’s see, most of them can be on their best behavior….but NOT for very long if you’re AWARE of the red flags. The REALITY that you came here and shared it with us, as many flags as there are, tells me that you KNOW this man is NOT RIGHT for you.
I have to be careful to say much more beyond this DW, because I have tendency to be rather passionate (overly so) about wanting to rescue or “fix” a situation when it involves a potential spath.
My exPOS is now on a dating site too. Did you find this guy on match? Yep. Mine is on Chemistry. The gal he was love bombing prior to this new gf and the things he did, were almost EXACTLY what you were describing. Two months is WAAAAAAY too early for this kind of stuff.
This could actually be a good thing for you if you’re paying attention to yourself and GIVING INTO your INTUITION. It says you need to FINE TUNE Your radar some! But this is a GREAT OPPORTUNITY because it’s so early and you’re clearly seeing stuff that doesn’t add up RIGHT NOW, so getting out would be A LOT easier than if this goes on and on and you continue to EXCUSE those red flags. I see you doing this DW and I sincerely hope that you will HEED those and head for the hills.
It’s one thing if you see a possible red flag…..but this guy has so many waving in the wind, you could probably see the red from Alaska to Russia!!!
you mentioned feeling lonely. I SO get that…but it’s better to be lonely than to get into another toxic relationship and dragging your kids into it too. UGH!
Good Luck!
LL
Hi LL, Sky, Eden,
sorry had a busy week, have been reading your posts.
LL
you have become so knowledgeable and sound so strong. you advice to DW is right on the money. I feel so good after reading your posts, you have been and are an inspiration to me. have a nice snow day, what fun, to be able to just laze around and not have to worry what the crap is going on with the jerk.
I am reaching that stage of inner peace and calm and not having to worry who he may be sending emails or calling while still proclaiming his love for me and making me his puppet.
Oxy – hi and thanks once again. the stength is coming back.
Sky and Eden,
thanks for all the advice.
will post and join the party with you on the weekend.
petite