Editor’s note: Here is Part 2 of yesterday’s article, “Almost everything under the sun happened to me, and I’m fine,” written by a reader who posts as “Jen.”
Okay, so I had a crappy childhood, but I survived it. I came out of it okay. I have had what I now think might have been sociopaths in my life from time to time as friends, lovers, or family. At the time, I had no clue what they were, but I did know they were screwed up. I quickly rid parasites from my life after I figured out they were just out to use people. I was strong, and I was no way going to be surrounded by meanness.
So, 2 years after my divorce, I ran into an ex from 20 years prior. I was down in the dumps when I met him again. I had lost my wonderful job and my big fat paycheck. I had plans and dreams that were about to come true. Everything came crashing down on me, and I moved back to my hometown. (Stupid economy!) I got a small apartment for my kids, my golden retriever, and I. I was getting unemployment, but we were barely scraping by. I decided to suck up my pride and go see if the state would help me out with food stamps. I was humiliated, as I do not like taking anything from anyone.
This is where I ran into him, again. At the food stamp office. I should have known better. We started talking, and he said he was just trying to get back on his feet from his break up with his ex. He told me he had done some pretty amazing stuff in the years (now I think it was all bs), and I told him some of my experiences. I also told him I was writing a book, and he said he was doing the same. I sucked up my shyness and I gave him my number. He looked different, cleaner, and more mature than I remembered him. He was also very good looking. How could I judge him? I was getting food stamps myself!
He called a couple of days later, and said he wanted to hang out. He sounded embarrassed when he told me he was broke. I said it was okay, and we could hang out at my place. We got along great! He said he had quit drinking (he drank a lot when we were younger), and at that point in his life he only had a beer here and there. That was fine with me as I wasn’t much of a drinker. He worked, and he exercised all the time. He told me everything I wanted to hear. Maybe, at that time, he wasn’t lying, but it was short lived.
Into the trap
I fell into his trap. I was sucked in and lost. He would tell me how wonderful I was, and how much he loved me. I was rather curious as to why he never had any money to his name (not even a dollar). He was supposed to be working, and he lived with his mom (just staying there for a few months to get on his feet, again). He told me he had to help his mom out, since she was having a hard time with money. He had a car sitting in her driveway, but it was broken. I wondered why he couldn’t get it fixed. I blew these questions off in my mind. I was trying to be understanding, since life had just kicked me in the butt.
Finally, I said that I loved him back. It was right before he was going out of town with his father for Thanksgiving. When he came back he seemed different. He was colder and not as considerate of me anymore. His family suddenly started talking about his ex nonstop. He never said anything about her, and he looked uncomfortable. I guess he would get into huge fights with them over her, but they didn’t care or respect his wishes to keep her out of his and my lives. It was really weird, and I was uncomfortable.
My boyfriend, whom I was beginning to fall head over heals for, suddenly started drinking a lot. He lost his job, and was completely broke, still living at mom’s. I figured it was the stress from being broke, unemployed, and 41 living at his mom’s house. I felt terrible for this ‘poor’ soul. I wanted to help, but I didn’t have much money, either. I was starting my old company back up that my father had left barely running, as a division of his company, while I lived out of state. It was a moneymaker, but his current employees ran it into the ground. So, I was scraping by, as it was. I had my boyfriend work with me a few times, and I paid him very well. He just seemed to spend his money on beer and give it to his mother. He told me how he was depressed, and needed a full time job. I found him jobs left and right, but now I think he didn’t even call. (I was blind at the time.)
Apartment
Finally, I felt like I should do something to really help this guy. I told myself we all need a little help once in a while in life, and I could help him. I asked my brother to hire him on full time with his company. I fixed his car myself. I also got it insured and registered. My lease on my apartment was up, and I asked him if he wanted to get a place with me. He said yes.
He had me rent this beautiful townhouse with a lovely yard for my dog. Then the day before we were due to move in, he tells me he doesn’t think he is ready for a relationship. I had paid them all their money, and just signed a year’s lease, in my name only. I knew I couldn’t afford the rent on my own. I don’t even think I could speak when he told me that. The next day, he changed his tune, but he only moved in some of his clothes. I complained that he wasn’t really living there after a few weeks of him not really having any of his stuff there. So, he went to his mom’s and grabbed two things to hang on the wall. Gee…
Life was hell. He was mean to me, every day. Up and down and I didn’t know what to do. I couldn’t figure out what happened to the man I fell in love with. He started going to his mom’s every day after work, and he would spend at least two nights a week there. He complained that he didn’t want to pay rent, because ‘he deserved a Harley’ to ride. His drinking was getting out of control, as was his behavior. I was just turning into a puddle. Nothing I said or did made anything better. In fact, it only seemed to get worse. He seemed intelligent before, and now there was no logic or reason with him at all.
Ex-girlfriend
The ex-girlfriend was becoming a never-ending problem, as well. His sister decided to be best friends with her, after she said such cruel things about this woman. I found out his ex was trying to get him back, and his family was pushing him towards it. He really didn’t want her, but I didn’t know this at the time as he rarely spoke of her. They liked her better than me. She partied, did coke, and paid for all their partying. She was a nurse and made a lot of money (so they said). They said she would be rich someday. Also, she is a Navajo Indian, and he is a Sioux. I am white. They are racist. Big problem that I was unaware of.
It was all just drama that I was not used to. I was shocked by the things these people did and said. I had no clue at the time that his mom and sister were narcissists, but I did know his brother and nephew were psychopaths (the scary criminal kind). The things I’ve seen these people do is unbelievable, and it would take me 100 pages just to summarize it.
Needless to say, he moved out after 2 1/2 months, and I got stuck with rent I couldn’t afford. He got drunk and lost his job with my brother after 3 months of working there. I think it was the last straw for me. I was shattered. It was a horrible year!
Depression
I fell into a short and temporary deep depression. I am sure I wasn’t the best of mothers, walking around in a daze. I don’t remember much, and I don’t know why. My teenage son picked up some of the slack for me with my daughter. He could see something was wrong, but he didn’t know what. I remember wanting nothing more than to die. I wanted to kill myself, and it was all I could think of. I told my boyfriend something was wrong, and I was worried because I was having thoughts of suicide. He didn’t care. I asked my mom for help, and told her what I was feeling. I knew at that time that my brain was just reacting to being under too much stress for too long. I knew I needed help. No one cared or was there. I couldn’t afford therapy. The mental abuse and money situation was just weighing on me too much, and I finally broke all the way. It had gone on for too long.
The day I had picked to be the end of me came. I had plenty of life insurance for my kids, and I couldn’t see how I was any benefit to anyone. I felt like a failure in every way.
I was going to go to the mountains by myself, and I would make it look like an accident. I had it all planned out, and I looked forward to it. Then the sweetest little face came bouncing at me, and said, “Mommy, I love you. Where are you going? Can I come?” I woke up in that instant.
I felt so guilty and awful for what I was about to do. How could I leave this innocent sweet child without any parents? She loved me so, and I was being horrible and selfish in my way of thinking. How could I do that to my son as well? It would have crushed their little souls. Besides, I am the girl who has always loved life. My only fear is death. After we die, how will we hold hands, or give our babies a kiss and hugs? I like the physical aspects of love and life, so how could I be willing to leave this?
Growing stronger
I grew angry as my eyes started to open. How was it possible to twist me around so bad inside? He was just one man, and I grew up around people like him. His family reminded me of my father’s family (which I was sheltered from, for the most part). I knew better. I tried to leave him then, but I think I was still weak. This man was 41, drunk, refused to work, and living with his mother! Ewwww! AND yet, he still sucked me in, again! I felt sorry for him. How pathetic?
I did grow much stronger and rather quickly. His lies and mean stuff he pulled weren’t working anymore. He seemed more frustrated, and he got meaner. I would dump him, and he would come back. Or I would dump him, and then feel so horrible inside that I went back to him. I thought I loved him, but I know love is a two way street. It wasn’t love, but some sick twisted need. He created that need in me, but it was up to me to get rid of it.
My resentment grew and grew, until about the last month or so. Then my love started being replaced by disgust. I started to see him for what he was—stupid, boring, pathetic, and a leech. I had no respect for him. A small piece of me felt bad and loved him still, but I knew it was the beginning of the end that I looked forward to.
Breaking free
I knew I had to emotionally break free while I was with him. Otherwise, I would have forgotten the bad (like I like to do) and only remembered the good in him. I would have never been able to be free. I know me, and I know there are only 2 surefire ways to make me turn my feelings off like a lightning bolt. The first is to do or say mean things to my children, and the second is to hit me. He has never done either of these.
Well, he must have sensed my planned escape from him. He suddenly got very nice and sweet again, but I waited. I knew he’d do something horribly cruel to me in no time at all. Besides, I just had to tell myself that he is now a 42-year-old man, who lives with his mother and brother, refuses to work, and never does anything for anyone. Valentine’s Day was coming, and he has never gotten me a gift for anything, ever. He spent all of his money on beer last Saturday, and then he promptly started an insane fight over nothing. He dumped me for Valentine’s Day, just like I knew he would. Of course, he blamed me. Technically, I did the dumping, as I didn’t want to be treated so horrible, but I know his games. It was all his doing.
I feel like it was the best Valentine’s Day gift I could have ever received from him: My freedom and my sanity. I cried a little last night, but not over him. I was sad I had put myself in this situation and wasted my time and energy. I feel strong and I am done in my heart and head with him. I had already felt this way for a while, but must have needed a little more convincing.
Not jaded
I am getting back to the person I used to be, and my heart doesn’t hurt anymore. I am angry and baffled at how this one man wrecked me so badly. I went through so much as a child, and it never affected me like this.
I do know what is wrong with me, though. I have helped people throughout my life, as I have been through the school of hard knocks. Some of them have been con artists or mentally ill, and some really needed it. I need to work on my need to heal the world of its sufferings. It is me that needs more healing, and instead of doing that, I set out to save us all. Ha ha, I know it’s not possible. I am too trusting and too loving, and I think I will work on whom not to trust and love. There are a lot of cruel people in this world, but I don’t think that should stop us from caring about the ones who really need our love and trust.
I will not let this man jade me, just as I didn’t let my childhood experiences jade me. If I do, they win. I will still love, trust, and respect others, but I will be a lot more selective especially with the lower life ones. I can run from the educated ones, but the lower life dummies get my sympathies every time. “It’s not their fault life was so hard for them.” Well, it was hard for me too, but I don’t use people, treat them like objects, lie, and I’m not mean. So, boo hoo!
Katy!!
YESSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
GOD I love the voices of reason in here!!!
LL
DW,
Katy’s right. And it happened with AMAZING speed.
These guys are SO amazing in how they operate. Wow.
DW: Assignment: Read TEN SIGNS YOUR DATING A SOCIOPATH OVER AND OVER AND OVER!! Recite it like a MANTRA. Print it out and hang in all over your HOUSE!!
LL
DW-LL is right. Your man is telling you everything that mine told me and it is DANGER, nothing but DANGER and you need to go away fast because the red flags are giant and screaming. There are flares and sirens and what more do I have to say but DANGER!!!
DW, I agree with some of the other posters here. Something strikes me as odd, when someone proceeds to flatter you before going on about their agenda… laying it on thick.
be aware of the “too nice” “too goody” schtick.
I mean how could you resist with all of that flattery? He thanks you multiple times in the letter, “you made a really nice comment” … “you are a uniquely special person”… it causes you to put your guard down.. (“Oh, well he can’t be that bad if he thinks so highly of me…” Lovebomb. )
keep in mind flattery is a MEANS to an end. Try to get an idea of what “social niceties” are being cranked up to get to an END.
Also, i’ve written off dating sites completely. Dating sites are open water for a sociopath.
Even the new one that they keep trying to promote really CREEPS the hell out of me. “Plenty of Fish”… ( the name of the dating site )… when you consider the name in sociopath terms it’s chilling, since they’re all blood-seeking piranhas out to get whatever they can.
DancingNancies-I agree-that whole Plenty of Fish thing is really creepy. It always pops up on my facebook and I flag it as an offensive ad. The lovebombing should be the first clue. Mine did just that. He had said I love you after 3 weeks of dating but after the first date it was constant-You are the one I have been searching my whole life for, you are the most amazing woman I have ever met, you are so special;BLAH,BLAH,BLAH and of course people fall for that. But after we all go throught these things, we learn that flattery gets you nowhere! I don’t even try to date. I don’t even care. I’m totally comfortable by myself.
DW,
No one fails to understand the place after divorce and divorce from a yuk.
But…..
There may be people already in your life who need you as much or even more than you need romance…… Look to them.
2 cop
They are ALL so creepy! I remember creating a profile on chemistry to catch spath in the act. His was one of the first several to show up as a match lol!!!!
Yep, nasty sites. And prime spath playground.
LL
DW, this is CLASSIC spath. CLASSIC. The quotes were a HUGE red flag for me. He knows the words but NOT THE MUSIC. Those quotes are telling you, WITHOUT telling you, that he’s FULL OF IT. He doesn’t “Get” anything. See how that comes off? Sounds sarcastic, doesn’t it? That’s what it’s meant to do. See below.
When I say “I get it”, what I’m “getting” is what my behavior was and what effect it had on you and why. Internally, my angry reaction wasn’t that big of a deal at the time”just a passing thing or flashpoint, directed at some unknown person ” Thank you for telling me what that anger meant to you. That anger wasn’t appropriate to the situation, and my outward reaction certainly wasn’t appropriate. There’s really no excuse, but I wouldn’t have truly known and understood without you opening up.
Dancing Warrior,
here’s what I “read” when I read this e-mail:
‘Just a quick note, as you have plenty to do tonight.’
*not a quick note, it was a 2 page letter- i know, i printed it
*if I knew my dear friend “had plenty to do tonight” I surely would not want to bring up relationship issues at that moment, timing does mean a lot… I think he is saying he is considering you, while he really is not behaving that way
‘I really appreciate that you were able to get away for our trip ”“ thank you.’ *why would he have to thank you for choosing to spend your time with him?? I thought there was all this love going on with the 2 of you. were you doing him a favor gracing him with your presence? something else is off with this that i can’t quite explain at the moment.
‘It was great to be away with you, to spend time with you, to make love with you.’ *isn’t that just what all us girls love to hear?! that someone would enjoy us that much.. maybe we need to just enjoy/appreciate/love ourselves that much, when I am coming from a place of self-love, it takes so much power out of those words for me *make “love”.. after 2months..boundries?
‘When we talked about 1/2 hour ago, you made a really nice comment to the effect that you would have liked to have spent more time with me and that we had a rough ending.’
*’rough ending” is not a ‘really nice comment to me’
‘ I think it’s really important that you communicated your thoughts to me. ‘ *sounds good and healthy (ya right!)
‘It may seem unusual that I’d say that I learned a lot from talking with you today, but I really did. ‘
*thank you so much for helping me be a better person, i can learn from you, if only you stick by me..you can change me, and i know you’ll be supportive because you want to change me while accepting me just as i am (being sarcastic again)
*i’ve noticed a pattern with ppl like this.. they many times say “you may think this is unusual/wierd/etc” to something that is very normal behavior… flattering, saying they value you
I could continue on, and on.. this whole letter is just riddled with bs.. he says all the words (and pretty/fluffy/emotion arousing words) but shows no real examples of how he’s learned anything.. and express that you are his savior and hopes you will stay by his side through it all.. and if you haven’t learned, you will stay by his side through .. as much of it as it takes you to learn
DancingWarrior –
In between the numerous “red flags” and things that gnawed at your “gut”, are many other things that are normal, healthy and plausible.
It is not so strange for a man to declare that the woman he loves is special/one-of-a kind. It is only questionable when this happens within a short period of meeting and without the deep knowledge of one another’s personalities that can only come from a much longer relationship period.
It is not so strange for a man to declare that he needs help or needs to readjust some aspect of his behaviour/thinking. It is only questionable when this happens within a short period of meeting and without the deep knowledge of one another’s personalities that can only come from a much longer relationship period.
It is not so strange for a man to do nice things to help the woman he is seeing. It is only questionable when this happens within a short period of meeting and continues at an overwhelming pace and manner.
It is not so strange for a man to bring flowers and chocolates to a woman he is seeing. It is only questionable when this happens within a short period of meeting and continues at an overwhelming pace and manner.
It is not so strange for a man to want to take the woman he is seeing to meet his parents. It is only questionable when this happens within a short period of meeting and without the deep knowledge of one another’s personalities that can only come from a much longer relationship period.
Spath or no spath, things have been said and done by this man that are out of all proportion with where the relationship so far could possibly be at. Bottom line. No deep intimacy and knowledge of another person happens that fast – no matter how much people might be “kindred spirits”. As a general guide, consider close friendships you might have with other women whom you met as an adult (not childhood friends, because that is completely different given a long-term shared history together). Within 2 months would you have trusted one of these women with your life – or would you turn instead to those you have known longer? So – why would you trust this unknown man with your life – and with your child’s life?
Sensible people will always question motives as they get to know another person but gut feelings are something altogether different. They are built into our bodies to keep us safe. If alarm bells are ringing – however softly – then they are ringing for a reason.
Immediately post-divorce is such a vulnerable time – take it from someone who has done it 3 times herself. Even if this man were genuine, YOU need more time. You need to heal yourself and to reconfigure your life. Take that time.
Tell him you have regrets that you have moved too quickly. That you need time to work through things. That you want any relationship you commit to have every good chance of success – anything less would be to rob you both.
Tell him you need at least a year to work through therapy and make yourself ready to approach another relationship. Suggest that he use that same time to do the same with himself and to work on the issues he has already identified. Tell him you want to pour your energies into shoring up your child, because of the trauma children experience post-divorce; she must be your priority.
A genuine man will accept this and go away and do the work and give you the time and the space that you ask for. The time and the space will allow you to properly assess what went down. If he is a spath (or any of several other toxic types) he will resist, rant, cry, plead, cajole and/or threaten you. If you stick to your pre-determined script, he will get bored and go away.
Either way, you will have done the right thing for you and for your child. You cannot possibly lose by doing this. If he disappears, he was going anyway. If he waits, you will be unbonded and clear-headed enough to assess critically.
Take the good things you have learned from the experience –
1) you have trusted your gut;
2) you know where to find good support (here!);
3) you now know that intimacy/good sex CAN be yours (even if it was just a con this time, YOUR feelings were real, so take comfort in the fact that there is nothing wrong with you and that these normal things that you have longed for CAN be yours – with the right person)
These three things are HUGE and important, so – you have not lost anything – YET.
(AND, as an added bonus, some of your snow and ice were dealt with for a time, which was helpful……LOL)
Right now, there is just enough oxytocin going down to make you question everything sensible that has been said to you by all of the above posters. Conversely, there is little enough for you to be able take a big step back and get yourself out of what is likely a very bad scenario. Any longer in this thing and you will go past that point, where no amount of good advice from any of us will penetrate your brain or your heart.
12 months is not long – and you DO need time to breathe and to be by yourself. You can’t possibly have finished processing the last relationship yet.
Do the sensible thing.
If he’s REAL, you have nothing to lose.