Editor’s note: Here is Part 2 of yesterday’s article, “Almost everything under the sun happened to me, and I’m fine,” written by a reader who posts as “Jen.”
Okay, so I had a crappy childhood, but I survived it. I came out of it okay. I have had what I now think might have been sociopaths in my life from time to time as friends, lovers, or family. At the time, I had no clue what they were, but I did know they were screwed up. I quickly rid parasites from my life after I figured out they were just out to use people. I was strong, and I was no way going to be surrounded by meanness.
So, 2 years after my divorce, I ran into an ex from 20 years prior. I was down in the dumps when I met him again. I had lost my wonderful job and my big fat paycheck. I had plans and dreams that were about to come true. Everything came crashing down on me, and I moved back to my hometown. (Stupid economy!) I got a small apartment for my kids, my golden retriever, and I. I was getting unemployment, but we were barely scraping by. I decided to suck up my pride and go see if the state would help me out with food stamps. I was humiliated, as I do not like taking anything from anyone.
This is where I ran into him, again. At the food stamp office. I should have known better. We started talking, and he said he was just trying to get back on his feet from his break up with his ex. He told me he had done some pretty amazing stuff in the years (now I think it was all bs), and I told him some of my experiences. I also told him I was writing a book, and he said he was doing the same. I sucked up my shyness and I gave him my number. He looked different, cleaner, and more mature than I remembered him. He was also very good looking. How could I judge him? I was getting food stamps myself!
He called a couple of days later, and said he wanted to hang out. He sounded embarrassed when he told me he was broke. I said it was okay, and we could hang out at my place. We got along great! He said he had quit drinking (he drank a lot when we were younger), and at that point in his life he only had a beer here and there. That was fine with me as I wasn’t much of a drinker. He worked, and he exercised all the time. He told me everything I wanted to hear. Maybe, at that time, he wasn’t lying, but it was short lived.
Into the trap
I fell into his trap. I was sucked in and lost. He would tell me how wonderful I was, and how much he loved me. I was rather curious as to why he never had any money to his name (not even a dollar). He was supposed to be working, and he lived with his mom (just staying there for a few months to get on his feet, again). He told me he had to help his mom out, since she was having a hard time with money. He had a car sitting in her driveway, but it was broken. I wondered why he couldn’t get it fixed. I blew these questions off in my mind. I was trying to be understanding, since life had just kicked me in the butt.
Finally, I said that I loved him back. It was right before he was going out of town with his father for Thanksgiving. When he came back he seemed different. He was colder and not as considerate of me anymore. His family suddenly started talking about his ex nonstop. He never said anything about her, and he looked uncomfortable. I guess he would get into huge fights with them over her, but they didn’t care or respect his wishes to keep her out of his and my lives. It was really weird, and I was uncomfortable.
My boyfriend, whom I was beginning to fall head over heals for, suddenly started drinking a lot. He lost his job, and was completely broke, still living at mom’s. I figured it was the stress from being broke, unemployed, and 41 living at his mom’s house. I felt terrible for this ‘poor’ soul. I wanted to help, but I didn’t have much money, either. I was starting my old company back up that my father had left barely running, as a division of his company, while I lived out of state. It was a moneymaker, but his current employees ran it into the ground. So, I was scraping by, as it was. I had my boyfriend work with me a few times, and I paid him very well. He just seemed to spend his money on beer and give it to his mother. He told me how he was depressed, and needed a full time job. I found him jobs left and right, but now I think he didn’t even call. (I was blind at the time.)
Apartment
Finally, I felt like I should do something to really help this guy. I told myself we all need a little help once in a while in life, and I could help him. I asked my brother to hire him on full time with his company. I fixed his car myself. I also got it insured and registered. My lease on my apartment was up, and I asked him if he wanted to get a place with me. He said yes.
He had me rent this beautiful townhouse with a lovely yard for my dog. Then the day before we were due to move in, he tells me he doesn’t think he is ready for a relationship. I had paid them all their money, and just signed a year’s lease, in my name only. I knew I couldn’t afford the rent on my own. I don’t even think I could speak when he told me that. The next day, he changed his tune, but he only moved in some of his clothes. I complained that he wasn’t really living there after a few weeks of him not really having any of his stuff there. So, he went to his mom’s and grabbed two things to hang on the wall. Gee…
Life was hell. He was mean to me, every day. Up and down and I didn’t know what to do. I couldn’t figure out what happened to the man I fell in love with. He started going to his mom’s every day after work, and he would spend at least two nights a week there. He complained that he didn’t want to pay rent, because ‘he deserved a Harley’ to ride. His drinking was getting out of control, as was his behavior. I was just turning into a puddle. Nothing I said or did made anything better. In fact, it only seemed to get worse. He seemed intelligent before, and now there was no logic or reason with him at all.
Ex-girlfriend
The ex-girlfriend was becoming a never-ending problem, as well. His sister decided to be best friends with her, after she said such cruel things about this woman. I found out his ex was trying to get him back, and his family was pushing him towards it. He really didn’t want her, but I didn’t know this at the time as he rarely spoke of her. They liked her better than me. She partied, did coke, and paid for all their partying. She was a nurse and made a lot of money (so they said). They said she would be rich someday. Also, she is a Navajo Indian, and he is a Sioux. I am white. They are racist. Big problem that I was unaware of.
It was all just drama that I was not used to. I was shocked by the things these people did and said. I had no clue at the time that his mom and sister were narcissists, but I did know his brother and nephew were psychopaths (the scary criminal kind). The things I’ve seen these people do is unbelievable, and it would take me 100 pages just to summarize it.
Needless to say, he moved out after 2 1/2 months, and I got stuck with rent I couldn’t afford. He got drunk and lost his job with my brother after 3 months of working there. I think it was the last straw for me. I was shattered. It was a horrible year!
Depression
I fell into a short and temporary deep depression. I am sure I wasn’t the best of mothers, walking around in a daze. I don’t remember much, and I don’t know why. My teenage son picked up some of the slack for me with my daughter. He could see something was wrong, but he didn’t know what. I remember wanting nothing more than to die. I wanted to kill myself, and it was all I could think of. I told my boyfriend something was wrong, and I was worried because I was having thoughts of suicide. He didn’t care. I asked my mom for help, and told her what I was feeling. I knew at that time that my brain was just reacting to being under too much stress for too long. I knew I needed help. No one cared or was there. I couldn’t afford therapy. The mental abuse and money situation was just weighing on me too much, and I finally broke all the way. It had gone on for too long.
The day I had picked to be the end of me came. I had plenty of life insurance for my kids, and I couldn’t see how I was any benefit to anyone. I felt like a failure in every way.
I was going to go to the mountains by myself, and I would make it look like an accident. I had it all planned out, and I looked forward to it. Then the sweetest little face came bouncing at me, and said, “Mommy, I love you. Where are you going? Can I come?” I woke up in that instant.
I felt so guilty and awful for what I was about to do. How could I leave this innocent sweet child without any parents? She loved me so, and I was being horrible and selfish in my way of thinking. How could I do that to my son as well? It would have crushed their little souls. Besides, I am the girl who has always loved life. My only fear is death. After we die, how will we hold hands, or give our babies a kiss and hugs? I like the physical aspects of love and life, so how could I be willing to leave this?
Growing stronger
I grew angry as my eyes started to open. How was it possible to twist me around so bad inside? He was just one man, and I grew up around people like him. His family reminded me of my father’s family (which I was sheltered from, for the most part). I knew better. I tried to leave him then, but I think I was still weak. This man was 41, drunk, refused to work, and living with his mother! Ewwww! AND yet, he still sucked me in, again! I felt sorry for him. How pathetic?
I did grow much stronger and rather quickly. His lies and mean stuff he pulled weren’t working anymore. He seemed more frustrated, and he got meaner. I would dump him, and he would come back. Or I would dump him, and then feel so horrible inside that I went back to him. I thought I loved him, but I know love is a two way street. It wasn’t love, but some sick twisted need. He created that need in me, but it was up to me to get rid of it.
My resentment grew and grew, until about the last month or so. Then my love started being replaced by disgust. I started to see him for what he was—stupid, boring, pathetic, and a leech. I had no respect for him. A small piece of me felt bad and loved him still, but I knew it was the beginning of the end that I looked forward to.
Breaking free
I knew I had to emotionally break free while I was with him. Otherwise, I would have forgotten the bad (like I like to do) and only remembered the good in him. I would have never been able to be free. I know me, and I know there are only 2 surefire ways to make me turn my feelings off like a lightning bolt. The first is to do or say mean things to my children, and the second is to hit me. He has never done either of these.
Well, he must have sensed my planned escape from him. He suddenly got very nice and sweet again, but I waited. I knew he’d do something horribly cruel to me in no time at all. Besides, I just had to tell myself that he is now a 42-year-old man, who lives with his mother and brother, refuses to work, and never does anything for anyone. Valentine’s Day was coming, and he has never gotten me a gift for anything, ever. He spent all of his money on beer last Saturday, and then he promptly started an insane fight over nothing. He dumped me for Valentine’s Day, just like I knew he would. Of course, he blamed me. Technically, I did the dumping, as I didn’t want to be treated so horrible, but I know his games. It was all his doing.
I feel like it was the best Valentine’s Day gift I could have ever received from him: My freedom and my sanity. I cried a little last night, but not over him. I was sad I had put myself in this situation and wasted my time and energy. I feel strong and I am done in my heart and head with him. I had already felt this way for a while, but must have needed a little more convincing.
Not jaded
I am getting back to the person I used to be, and my heart doesn’t hurt anymore. I am angry and baffled at how this one man wrecked me so badly. I went through so much as a child, and it never affected me like this.
I do know what is wrong with me, though. I have helped people throughout my life, as I have been through the school of hard knocks. Some of them have been con artists or mentally ill, and some really needed it. I need to work on my need to heal the world of its sufferings. It is me that needs more healing, and instead of doing that, I set out to save us all. Ha ha, I know it’s not possible. I am too trusting and too loving, and I think I will work on whom not to trust and love. There are a lot of cruel people in this world, but I don’t think that should stop us from caring about the ones who really need our love and trust.
I will not let this man jade me, just as I didn’t let my childhood experiences jade me. If I do, they win. I will still love, trust, and respect others, but I will be a lot more selective especially with the lower life ones. I can run from the educated ones, but the lower life dummies get my sympathies every time. “It’s not their fault life was so hard for them.” Well, it was hard for me too, but I don’t use people, treat them like objects, lie, and I’m not mean. So, boo hoo!
DW
I think this thread has been SO very serious…and has resonated with so many…..it’s time for a little humor 🙂
One of my FB friends said something about men being aliens with tentacles, ready to grab you…..so true when it comes to spaths…
I just decided to add some humor to it. My daughter and I love this video. It’s gotten us through some many dark days at times with men who are total assholes.
Enjoy everyone. It’s hilarious!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRYNYb30nxU
LL
Aussie,
That was the most SENSIBLE posts of all. I wish the Ten Signs Your Dating a Sociopath were as you put them above. Amazing. You’re amazing!!!
Another thing I’d like to add to this mix……..it is just BAD NEWS to have sex so early in a relationship. Waiting a year seems like such a long time…..but I don’t think that’s even LONG ENOUGH to evaluate properly, the situation you’re in. My exPOS married BOTH wives UNDER a year or at close to a year….
Both were disasters and NOT because of them, but BECAUSE of HIM. They try to suck you in as soon as they can…I would not at all be surprised if exPOS and new gf were married within that time frame if not sooner……..
It gives them time to keep the mask on, to suck you in….
That’s why all the “love bombing”………….
I soooooooooooooooo get this now………….
Aussie. Excellent, EXCELLENT post!
LL
LL-You have been sounding so strong the last couple days. You just rock on with your bad self!
2 cop
ROFLOL!!! “with your bad self”…
Aaawww…..thanks chica!
Not so strong right now though……….saw ex POS and his Kim Kardashian……..GOD she’s beautiful………obviously with money….he wasn’t driving his car, but hers…….while going to the store tonight………
It was so hard to stay sane and in the NOW……..
He’s five foot one and almost fifty. That effing winning, HUGE smile works every time……..
And she has it. He was oblivious to everything but her…..
He didn’t see me. Focused on her. Laughing…….
Trying to deal……….
Right now, just trying so hard to deal…………
LL
LL-he sounds so freakin pathetic to me and what a fool she is. He’ll take all her money and give her an STD and totally ruin her life and then move on to the next one. I’m really sorry but I don’t get what anyone what see in a little tiny man who probably has little tiny balls and a little tiny dicky. You’re sure not missing anything by not having him
2 cop.
Well………….truthfully…..he wasn’t HUGE, but he wasn’t SMALL either……..I guess it just feels better to say that when you’re hurting and trying to minimize the man…….
He actually had a beautiful “package”……….no details…….
It’s a myth that just because they’re short doesn’t mean they aren’t well endowed. 🙂
I’m coming up on three months now. Just short a few days. It is VERY painful to see he and “Kim” around……..knowing he got the best of me when I was HER age…….and I feel like dried up plumbs………..
I haven’t lost my beauty….I”m just older now…………and she is TRULY beautiful…….she is REALLY REALLY beautiful……I wasn’t angry at her……….
I think more sad and jealous…
I was thinking………..Jesus, I’m 47 and she’s AT LEAST in her early 30’s and she lands scum like that?
HIs ex wife is prolly relieved……….in some ways I really admire her. And I think I understand why I do………..she had two children with this man and knows him well………has to continue to put up with his shit, but I don’t think she understands to the ENORMITY of what he is……….
I don”t know how I feel right now, other than intensive pain after what I saw…………yea, I remember………because I was her at one time………
Oh well………
All of you are a lifesaver!
Oxy–talk about hormones lighting up after being alone and bereft and stressing and anxious for three years. I wanted to believe in a possibility of …yeah…love. 🙁
Candi–WOW…none of this is real. Man, that hits right between the eyes. Wow… Now I’m thinking how can I EVER believe in anyone being genuine and real? Hell, I am real! Is there a male specimen out there that is FOR REAL?? And yes, Oxy, I guess I won’t find him on the internet. 🙁
LL–EEEK about the losing self respect. Ouch that hurts. It is completely out of character for me to trust a man or feel open and comfortable to be physical in such a short time. I was fully conscious about wanting to go slow, take my time, as a general principle. He wasn’t the pushy one. Ironically, I was the one who initiated that level of intimacy and something in me — such as years of rejection and hurt in marriage, three yrs of separation, loneliness, need for contact — was stronger than my reason/caution. But still it hurts to think of myself as a piece of ass. It’s horrible.
KatyDId–Apparently I played the mommy role with my former husband of 20 yrs and tirelessly worked to “help” him or show him how to help himself, instead of working on me and seeing my own needs and rights. Too little too late now. And yep, I am a magnet for the same, only worse, kind of guy who sees the empathy in me and latches on for me to fix him. WOW thanks for telling me the word “prey” WOW I never ever would have thought that or admitted that from my standpoint.
nolarn2bcop–yep yep yep yep…DANGER was loud and clear when I saw him act out when he got triggered by the guy’s comment and then wanted some validation from me or fixing his foul mood because someone slighted him. My siren for danger was to protect my KID and keep him away from my KID SO LOUD AND CLEAR after that dinner. That I just did not know this guy and he just showed me a side of him that was weird. And I had opened the door for him to meet my kid, see her bb games, talk to her about bb, ingratiate himself to me through being nice to her. ARGH….that day two of us had met her for lunch and if it weren’t for all the ugly proglems, it was an ideal, perfect, fun time. WOW how scary to think he worked to get himself tight with my KID!!!!!!
Dancingnancies–when my attorney sent interrogatory to ex, question was are you on a dating site and which one, and he listed Plenty of FIsh adn gave his alias. I went to see what he posted. WOW WOW WOW This is the husband of 20 yrs. He put on a WIG!!!! What? He’s bald. ANd he wrote somethign very noncommittal like he’s looking someone “with an open mind and who wants to have fun” ans his title was “Love stinks”. He’s no longer there unless he changed the alias. But to think that of all the sites, he chose to sign up on that one with the creepiest name of all! And I am wondering who/what he is looking for there exactly? Knowing him, I’d think he’d want a relationship. It’s not even safe to troll for sex like that, and I’d think he wouldn’t. But I guess I was wrong.
((((((((((((((((((( DW )))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
Dump this piece of shit.
Give yourself some time to heal some more. You have a ways to go. Take this as a lesson in learning………..or “lesson learned” lol 🙂
you did right coming here.
Men troll for sex, chica. Especially spaths and especially on dating sites.
Take it down. Focus on your and your babies……your young and it seems they are too……….
They don’t need more shit. Trust me. I gave mine tons. if I could take it back, all the pain I caused for “love” I would….especially with regards to a spath….
We had an emergency fam meeting tonight because of a sighting I had with spath…….
I don’t want to go into it here, but I can tell you, that you ABSOLUTELY MUST think of your chillins, DW………
They’re watching. “TUNE” your radar now….learn from this………..and just know that a man who loves you, will encompass BOTH you AND Your children…….
BOTH.
And with genuineness……..not just words to keep you a piece of ass.
I’m SO GLAD you came here DW and shared with us so openly.
Thank you for trusting all of us here so much. 🙂 At least in this way, I feel confident speaking for all of us who truly care 🙂
LL
LL-I don’t want to minimize your pain. I understand how you feel except my ex went back to and older, fatter uglier woman than me, so that had a different sort of effect on my ego too. I was just trying to criticize him as much as I could because I want you to feel better and I’m unemployed and bored and stressed out about it, so trashing an spath makes me feel better. I’m not mean spirited when it comes to normal people. I just hate the spaths and I am very upset with the people from my job. I got a call today from the manager from the surgical ICU and she tells me that she was aware that I had been trying to get a transfer into her unit for weeks but she just now has a position for me and I had to tell her that I was terminated and I started crying on the phone. I told her that I wished that she had called several weeks ago because if someone could have gotten my out of my department, all of this would have been avoided. It hurt really bad. Anyway I was just trying to make you and me feel better so I thought trashing your spath would be fun.
Aussie,
This part, I recall vividly: “If alarm bells are ringing ”“ however softly ”“ then they are ringing for a reason.”
After the bad episode, I looked at myself in the bathroom. My face was serious, realistic. I was on a cloud before. I shut off all access to him, turned off, closed the gate, and said I am going to sleep. We were leaving the next day, drove in with his car, my car at a commuter lot 2 1/2 hrs away. I had to get through the night. Even sharing the bed with him for that night was alarming to me.
And on drive back we talked. I told him what I felt and what was wrong for me. Then he said he was “motivated to fix this” because the memory is indelible in his mind or the look of DOUBT on my face. That really struck me. That he wanted me to see the ideal version of him, and when I had found out the truth and showed disapproval, that was unbearable to him. WOW….not too different from my former narcissistic husband who couldn’t STAND if I turned away from him for a second and didn’t worship and adore him.
🙁