The kidnapping trial of “Clark Rockefeller” the psychopathic con artist who is charged with parental kidnapping is happening at the time of this writing. The defense is claiming “insanity” and attacking Sandra Boss for having fallen for his lies. A survey of internet blogs reveals public abuse of Sandra. Please add your comments in support of Sandra to the blogs, particularly this one http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2009/06/rockefellers_2.html.
To watch the trial live visit:http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/specials/05_28_09_Rockefeller_live_video/
This is outrageous,Sandra was worked over by the defense. Someone (perhaps an attorney who reads this blog) explain to us why the judge and prosecution allowed this.
http://multimedia.boston.com/tn/1/featured_videos.htm?bctid=24902184001
Nicolaid
Hello,
It doesn’t take ten years to discover that your husband has an anemic conscience, even if he is a clever psychopath and even if you never met any of them beforehand.
Many women truly fall in love with psychopaths and seem to be enthralled by their very lack of conscience.
They don’t really get conned. They fall in love with psychopathy.
Having a child with a gifted psychopath makes sense from an evolutionary point of view. You children, if they become promiscuous psychopaths, may well spread your own genes far more widely than if you had monogamous children.
I don’t know if there is an english translation of “L’alliance de la brebis”. The author, Gabrielle Lavallée, seems to be aware that her cult leader is a psychopath (although she has no psychological knowledge of the notion). Still, she craves for sex with him and she wants a baby.
Psychopaths exist because many women are willing to make a sexual deal with them and get a genetic lift. They may suffer as a person. But it is in their own genetic interest. It is a sacrifice in the sake of their genes.
learnthelesson
Hello…
I respectfully disagree, its obvious to all that it can take 10 minutes or l0 years to discover you are with a psychopath.
Many women get CONNED.
Many women ffall in love with the ILLUSION a psychopath helps to create in their mind with lies and charm and words and mirroring by their very lack of conscience
There is no such thing as a gifted psychopath. A dangerous psychopath is no gift. Psychopaths may spread STDS far more widely than if they were monogomous healthy beings.
It sounds as if Gabrielle Lavallee may be stuck in the infamous FOG…and caught up in the disarming and self-disconnecting ways of her cult leaders dangerous psychopathy.
Psychopaths are not just men. They are women too. They exist because they exist. It can be a genetic nightmare – sometimes.
But once you become a psychopath there really is nothing that can be said or done to change your psyche… so to each his own opiinion and view and choice in life….thanks for sharing yours too!
neveragain
And what a mess when one psychopath gets involved with another. Or two personality disordered people of any type get involved sexually. That happens too.
As I mentioned on another thread, an interesting book is Freeing Yourself from the Naricissist in Your Life. She gives real life examples from history. It is possible to fall in love with one of these narcissiopaths without knowing what or who they are. I did it. And getting out is not easy if you believe in forgiving, if you believe in thinking the best of everyone, if you are very relationship committed, or worse….if you have stockholm syndrome. Poor Elizabeth Smart at first denied to the cops who she was. That can happen to ANY of us, given the right situation. Think of the poor prisoner of war, making remarks against the US. Does anyone hold that against him no matter how much he believes what he is saying at the moment? Of course NOT!
Can there be women who are a bit or a lot narcissistic themselves that without a stockholm syndrome feel “oh well, the lifestyle he gives me is worth it?”….but talk to them when they are 80. anyway, I’m sure a whole range of truths are possible….but to judge from a distance is surely hard and unfair I think.
ANewLily
Good posts, LTL! Great points. I hope Nicolaid takes them to heart, for his/her own education.
Peace!
Nicolaid
There are female psychopaths indeed – I have met three of them in my life – but you will rarely find testimonies of men having utterly been conned. “Love fraud” seems to interest mainly women.
The criteria that make a mate “sexy” are different for each gender. Men are more focused on the body and the signals of fertility. A beautiful body is hard to mimic, even for a genius con artist female.
On the other hand, women are more sensitive to status, resources, power and romanticism. And those qualities are quite easy to mimic for an astute psychopath: they just have to practice conspicuous consumption, forge credentials, use name-dropping, etc. Pluss the flowers to display their romanticism.
You can not easily change your body, but it takes a few minutes to launch a brand new persona.
Moreover, I sincerely think that some women, more or less consciously, turn a blind eye to the accumulating evidence that there is something wrong because psychopaths are truly very sexy. Their psychopathy is what makes them so sexy, the equivalent of the hourglass shape body in men’s eyes.
Neither genders are really concerned about conscience or morality when it comes to sexuality and mating, at least when we are young.
Psychopaths exist because so many women are volunteering to bear them a child and offer their nefarious genes another round. Of course, they don’t consciously decide to have a baby with a bastard, but they self-deceive themselves.
I am French. You may remember the story of Christophe Rocancourt who pretended to be “Christopher Rockefeller” in New york in 2001 with his thick french accent. So there were two psychopathic con men using very similar personae at the same time in New York. 🙂 Maybe others will come up later. The Rockefellers are a big family.
When he got out of jail and was expelled to France, it took Rocancourt about ten days to seduce and have sex with a former Miss France who knew who he was.
There are millions of honest men, but psychopaths will always be sexier. Honesty is dull. They had a child and he dumped her.
He has pledged several times on prime time TV Shows that his career as a con man belonged to the past. However, I’ve just read that he bilked $600 000 from a famous french movie producer named Catherine Breillat.
She recently had a stroke and she is half hemiplegic. He had to hold her forearm to help her sign the checks. Conning is hard toil.
But she really was stupid because she knows very well that he is a complete crook. He has sold piles of books to brag about his schemes and his sexual prowesses. Still, she hired him as an actor for his film and let him become her new best pal.
She said that the day she met Rocancourt was worse than the day she suffered her brain stroke. She is going to publish a book about her ordeal with her ex best friend.
neveragain
Has anyone heard from Healingheart? I miss her! I hope she is busy having a wonderful life.
And Kathy, have you read Freeing Yourself from the Narcissist in Your Life? the last chapter is all about “Beyond Narcissism” and is about growing inner peace and a healing stillness.
Sandra from How to Spot a Dangerous Man also wrote recently about the need for PTSD victims to create a peaceful, quiet, drama free environment.
I have been a workaholic all my life and feel myself rebelling finally! Hence I’m on here instead of working. LOL! But perhaps part of healing is really getting in touch with what is important in life. And today, being surrounded by the dogs who love me, watching them sleep, seems like the pinnacle of happiness for me today!
neveragain
One more post! In the Betrayal Bond the author states that survivors “were able to transform suffering into meaning. ….They become people of substance, with no more tolerance for living in the lie. The know evil for what it is and arm themselves with rituals that keep the meaning close to their hearts. They have a high regard for that which connects, and reject all that divides or hides. Inescapable pain creates enduring honesty and accountability.”
So congrats to all of us, we come out winners!
Donna Andersen
Nicolaid,
We have plenty of men here on Lovefraud who have been conned by female psychopaths. Although you are entitled to your opinions, I recommend that you read Lovefraud thoroughly before posting any more comments. You may change your views.
Ox Drover
Dear Nicolaid,
I suggest that you go to the link here of “true lovefraud stories” and to the other articles with information about how the “bonding” works with them, how they sucker in people, and keep those people hooked even after betraying them.
Many people know the “truth” about a psychopath like Rocancourt, but the psychopaths are good at “explaining” away those truths and covering it up with a mask. Many people just “can’t believe” someone is that EVIL….denial is a “protective” emotion to help us in some cases endure what is unendurable, but on a long-term basis, it is destructive to us. It allows the psychopaths to continue their abuses.
I am the daughter of a psychopath, (but not a psychopath)and also the mother of one, and believe me if I had known the genetic risk in having children, I would have elected not to have children. One of my sons (the non-psychopathic one) has elected not to have biological children due to the many psychopaths on both sides of his family, though neither his father nor I are psychopaths, appaently the genetics are there to pass on. I support him in this decision. My P-son is in prison so has no offspring at this time, though I am sure if he ever gets out he will make every effort to spread his genetics far and wide.
While more women are on this blog than men, there is a cross section of people, ages, genders, sexual orientations, and the experiences are different, people with children, parents, loveers, husbands/wives, neighbors, bosses, etc. so everyone here for the most part is a past victim, and in the recovery stage. Some people were conned for decades, others caught on in a few weeks or months, but no one here is denigrated because they didn’t “catch on” QUICKLY.
We exercise compassion for those who were “conned” because we have been “conned” as well…we know what it feels like and can therefore validate that these men and women were not stupid or greedy and did not knowingly decide to have a child with the psychopath. In fact, some of the psychopaths that they were involved with had NO status except as a financial parasite. We are in all different stages of “recovery” and “healing” but we are all compassionate to others (whatever their stages of healing) because we have BEEN THERE.
I hope you will hang around, read and learn about psychopaths and the whys and wherefores of how people get conned and why they stay for “so long” in pain, agony and confusion, before getting out.
neveragain
P’s are sexy? I guess almost all P’s think so! LOL! You can bank on that! Part of their disordered brains.
At some point, as Keith Campbell says in his book, you just lose your appetite for them. We live in a narcissistic society, now. People are busy managing their images, on facebook etc. But even there, the true narcs can’t help themselves. Keith Campbell did a study about what their fb pages have in common.
I think I’m going to write the first joke book about psychopaths. I’m serious! There is a lot about them that is very funny, like the youtube video on John Edwards primping! Pimping? Darn, it is rough being dsylexic. hahaha.