Hello my friends”¦
It’s so nice to be here, to discuss the subjects of narcissism and sociopathy.
I’d like to begin by asking each of you, one at a time, to tell us a little about me and what you hope to give me in our short time together?
Uh huh”¦hmmm”¦very interesting”¦.
As we continue circling the room, if it’s alright with you, I’d like to hear a little less about you, and more about me?
Okay, now that we’re done with the introductions”¦.
Let me formally begin by stating something fairly obvious: Narcissists and sociopaths are people you’ll want to avoid. Does this make sense? Are we in unanimity about this?
By the way, I want you to feel free during this presentation, at any point, to stretch my legs and get me a cup of coffee, to ensure my good circulation and alertness? (Incidentally, I like my coffee light with six sugars.)
My friends (and no, I’m not John McCain), I wonder whether any of you, right now, can look yourselves in the mirror and honestly say that you are completely attuned to me and, more important, humbled by the vast expertise I bring to this subject matter?
But I digress”¦.we are here, after all, to discuss me, not narcissists and sociopaths. (Excuse, I meant that the other way around!)
The gentleman over there, yawning, who is texting as I speak? You must be a sociopath, sir; or, at a minimum, a deranged narcissist, to have the gall to enter my audience and so blatantly disrespect me!
I’d suggest, sir, that you think less about that text message and more about the insulting message you send me with your contemptuous behavior?
By the way, my friends, I point that man out over there not to single him out and shame him gratuitously, but rather to identify live, spontaneous examples of narcissism and sociopathy right before your eyes.
Remember, my friends, by some estimates upwards of 4% of the general population are sociopaths! I believe that estimate comes from Martha Stout who, for purposes of her book sales (The Sociopath Next Door) lobbied for 26% as the figure, but after a noisy fight deferred to her publisher’s attorneys.
By my math, this means that, conservatively, at least four of you in the audience are clinical sociopaths. Well, I believe I’ve exposed the first!
Sir, sit down”¦where are you going? You can’t leave!! Sit back down, sir!!
Excuse me? You’re outraged? Did you say you were “outraged?”
Did you hear that, folks?
Listen to me, you arrogant jerk! Sit back down!!
You’re lucky I didn’t call security on you already for disrupting my presentation with your text messaging!! Now you compound your rudeness by deigning to escape with the blithe impudence of a sociopath?
My friends”¦this is the narcissist’s (or in his case, more likely the sociopath’s) contempt on full, alarming display!
Let me tell you something, sir, if I wasn’t so consumed with who I am, I’d be more interested to know who you are, if only to use my clout to ensure that you are permanently banned from all continuing education seminars—not just mine—in perpetuity!
You scoff, sir?
There it is”¦right there, my friends. Again”¦notice the contempt! See it for yourselves.
Fine”¦let him leave. We’re better off without him.
Now where were we?
Oh yes”¦just a reminder”¦we will break for lunch at 12 and I’d like you back no later than by 12:10.
That should give you enough time to scarf something down, and prepare for the brilliant material to come this afternoon.
And by the way, in order to avoid the congestion of those of you trying to crash my dining-room table to lunch with me, I will draw, in advance of our lunch-break, five names from a hat to establish who my dining table-mates will be.
This will be a random drawing, and I must warn you that I am not open to bribes, although I will note that those of you who buy my books—especially many of them—in the next hour or so, in the hall right outside this conference room, can expect special consideration.
Excellent”¦excellent.
The narcissist and sociopath”¦
Who are these individuals, my friends?
The scary thing is that they are our friends, our family, our colleagues, our doctors, our lawyers, our stockbrokers, our mates, and most chilling, our mail-carriers.
What else do we know about them?
We know that individuals with these warped personalities tend to regard others as “objects.”
As a matter of fact, if you leave here with nothing else, with, let us say, just a single, critical concept, let it be this: I know what I’m talking about.
As I was saying, these deviant individuals treat others not like individuals, but like objects. Remember this, because the implication is paramount: when you view others as a something, instead of a someone, it becomes easier to treat that person as a thing, not a person.
Hey you! Over there! Yeah, you! What are you, deaf? Do me a favor and turn the thermostat down, over there by the door. Yeah, right over there, by the door. Knock it down at least several degrees. I’m hot. Extremely hot.
Jesus Christ, yeah, you! That’s right”¦get up”¦out of your seat”¦then walk over to the wall, and jack the thermostat down. Get it, Einstein?
We know, by the way, that the narcissist will have little genuine interest in your experience while being pretty much entirely consumed in his”¦and his comfort.
What, people? You’re cold? That’s ridiculous. How can you be cold? You must be hallucinating! Because it’s hot in here! Nobody in their right minds could be cold when it’s so obviously, intolerably hot and stuffy in here.
Excuse me?
I’m invalidating your experience?
Sweetheart, what hypersensitivity drugs are you on? I’m merely stating an undeniable fact.
What? Don’t call you sweetheart?
Jesus, is this a feminist convention, or a continuing education seminar?
By the way, nobody touch the thermostat now that that cretin over there finally figured out how to adjust it.
I’m just kidding, calling you a cretin. God, you’re a hypersensitive crowd.
But seriously, if anyone so much as dares mess with the thermostat, you’re asking to see a side of me I’d prefer not to reveal.
My friends, sociopaths are fascinating creatures.
My god, have you ever had someone lie to your face, someone who makes an art form of lying convincingly, regardless of his patent guilt, for whom the very act of lying audaciously is a form of entertainment, satisfaction?
What I’m saying, my friends, is that, for the sociopath, the payoff is often the getting away with something; it is often the thrill of the game; the thrill of perpetrating fraud against others!
Come again? My doctorate? Are you questioning my credentials?
Read my lips and look into my eyes, and tell me if I’m lying: My doctorate is legitimate.
How dare you insinuate otherwise!
As the blurb on the seminar brochure says, I graduated at the top of my class from the College of America in 1985, with a Ph.D., MD., and JD. That makes me a psychologist, medical doctor, and lawyer—in other words, someone you don’t wanna mess with.
Now let me go a step further, as I look every single one of you in the eye from my podium: Not only are my doctorates legitimate, but so is everything in my biography.
That’s right, I dare any one of you to disprove a single assertion in my biography, including my claims to have studied closely with Carl Rogers, Gordon Allport, and Louis Pasteur.
Sure, I’m smiling. I’m smiling from the enviable position of a man who knows that he’s betrayed (excuse me, I meant conveyed) his integrity.
That was a Fraudian slip, people. Excuse me, I meant Freudian”¦that was a wholly innocent mistake. Don’t even go there.
Grandiosity”¦grandiosity. Let me look at my notes on grandiosity.
The narcissist and sociopath often have serious grandiosity issues”¦.hmmm.
Speaking of grandiosity, I routinely like to humble the clinicians I supervise by sharing the story of how Rogers—that’s right, Carl Rogers—once told me, “Len, you’re my favorite. You’re my favorite student. My most brilliant student. You will carry my work forward.”
Yes, this story tends to curb my students’ grandiosity.
You’re all shaking your heads”¦in appropriate awe, no doubt?
My friends, for the narcissist, even more than the sociopath, his grandiosity is a defense. The narcissist requires, like an addict, the experience and perception of himself as special, as above others.
Unless the narcissist is catered to, and treated as a sort of celebrity, he feels depressed, worthless, which typically takes the form of his anger and rage.
You two!! Knock it off!! How dare you whisper to each other while I’m speaking!!
Do I need to remind you people that I don’t have to be here. Don’t you get that? I don’t have to be here, people. You do; I don’t.
Last warning; this is my last warning. You people really are testing my patience.
Where was I, before your latest rude disturbance?
Anyway, I’ll tell you an interesting, and perhaps even edifying, story.
Once upon a time there was a married couple. And the wife periodically confronted the husband, “You know what? You’re a goddamned psychopath. That’s what you are. You put on a good front for the public. But make no mistake, you’re a masquerader. I know your deal. You’re a psychopath. And I’m gonna let people know. I’m no longer going to suffer your abuse in silence.”
And the husband laughed with great contempt, because he had great contempt for his wife. And he appreciated neither her scathing tone, boldness, nor, of course, her threat.
And the very next day the wife went missing. And was never to be found.
And the husband told each of his subsequent wives, of whom there were successively three, that they could never measure up to the first, his missing wife.
He’d probably never get over her loss, he’d tell them, with watering eyes.
His undiminished love for her, his first wife, probably was, he’d admit tearfully, holding him back. But he couldn’t help that, of course. His missing wife, after all, was the love of his life, and so maybe he was, he’d suggest, simply too scarred to ever get over it.
And his seeming vulnerability and seeming raw, emotional honesty made it much harder for his later wives to hold him accountable.
Why do I tell you this story, my friends?
Is it my story?
Not really. I know where my wife went”¦I’m convinced she returned to her family somewhere in eastern Mississippi where, I believe, she assumed a new identity and hence as if just dropped off the face of the earth.
Oh no, my wife is alive and well somewhere”¦she just doesn’t want anyone from her past to know about it.
I know exactly what you’re thinking, my friends: She, not I, is the psychopath?
You are a good crowd, very shrewd”¦yes you are.
And her successful disappearance proves just that, does it not? That she, not I, is the psychopath!
After all, only a psychopath, my friends, can just up one day, abandon her family, disappear permanently, and unconscionably leave a cloud of suspicion hanging over her betrayed husband!
Forgive me my tears”¦.I’m a very emotional man who, as you can see, has very deep feelings about this, still.
God, I miss her”¦that woman.
And every day I tell my kids, who are still young, “Don’t worry”¦she won’t be coming home”¦” Excuse me, that was another Fraudian slip”¦I meant to say I tell them, “Don’t worry, children”¦someday, when mama’s ready, she’ll reach out”¦and announce herself again”¦meanwhile, you must ignore those scurrilous, persistent rumors that have hounded me all your lives, rumors of my”¦uh”¦”˜involvement’ in your mother’s disappearance?”
I don’t mean to spin off on this, my friends, but you understand, don’t you, that that student intern with whom I took up just prior to my wife’s disappearance”¦you do realize that the timing of that was, of course, entirely coincidental?
It’s a funny thing, my friends, how in this cynical age we live in, nobody believes in coincidence anymore. How sad”¦how jaded”¦how tragic.
Where was I?
Sociopaths”¦yes, sociopaths are eternally intriguing personalities, my friends.
My friends, we are nearing time for a bathroom break. That is because, naturally, I have to go to the bathroom.
Before we break, and please be ready to resume promptly in no later than 40 seconds, I want to say something about the legendary psychopathy clinician Hervey Cleckley. Cleckley, you know, wrote the classic on psychopaths called “The Mask Of Sanity.”
If you haven’t yet read it, although it now costs about $850 for a used copy, you’re an idiot.
Anyway, I should tell you I was supervised by Dr. Cleckley himself as part of my externship right out of the University of Alabama. I sought Dr. Cleckley out myself, on my own initiative, and let me just say that after we spoke privately in his home office for exactly half an hour, he said, and I quote, “Young man, you are clearly a gifted young clinician. I was unprepared to take on another disciple, but I must say, now that I’ve met you, I wouldn’t think of missing the opportunity. By the way, have you read all six editions of my book?”
I answered, “No, Dr. Cleckley, just the five,” impressing him that I wouldn’t fall for his trick question (the sixth edition wouldn’t appear for some years later, until after his death).
As an aside, you might be interested to know that Dr. Cleckley referenced me frequently in his lectures to other psychiatrists and psychologists, referring to me as “my protégé Len.”
Who’s laughing?
You! Over there! Stand up!
My friends, here you have Exhibit A, standing naked before you, of insecurity, compensation, and envy!!
Your laughter, young man, is obviously a compensation”¦a compensation for the shame you undoubtedly feel at lacking the ability to grasp—to even begin to grasp—the profundity of my clinical wisdom and the intimidating gravity of my experience. This is all transparently obvious, young man. You are a fool.
I’ll tell you what, my friends. Let’s end this lecture, for the present, right here. It seems as good a moment as any. Besides the call of my bladder, I’m feeling some hunger pangs of surprising intensity and tenacity.
It is now 10:55; let’s reconvene no later than 11:05.
Remember, my books are displayed in the hall outside the room. My assistant Connie will be happy to assist your purchases.
Finally, it’s possible that, if we manage to cover the afternoon material efficiently enough and”¦.if you should happen to clear the table of my books for sale, I may consider ending the seminar a little early?
Enjoy your lunch.
(This article is copyrighted (c) 2009 by Steve Becker, LCSW.)
lostinfear:
You are in the right place to figure out what you are dealing with and getting away from it.
Things that jumped out at me — his blaming you for his blood pressure, his abusing you, his throwing you the occasional crumb so you think things are better and then they get worse again (push-pull behavior) — all are classic sociopathic behavior.
You don’t need a new fight to leave — you alcready have plenty of reasons to leave. The hardest step is for you to finally take control and cut him off. And thact is where no contact comes in. Your wish for no drama from him is magical thinking. It is always ugly with these creatures. But, it does get better. You have to cut them off cold — emotionally, financially, every way.
The one thing I learned at the time I drove S off was that to get rid of a sociopath, become a sociopath. That means you have to shut off all your emotions toward him and focus solely on you.
Knowledge is power. Read the archives. Also the books “Without Conscience” by Robert Hare, “The Sociopath Next Door” by Martha Stout and “Women Who Love Sociopaths”.
t
EVerybody on this site knows well the path you are just stepping onto. We are from all walks of life. Some people are far down the path, others somewhere on the middle, others just stepping onto it. The path I am talking about is healing.
Healing. That is what you have to focus on. Your healing. His problems can no longer be your problems.
Speaking as a lawyer, since your fear of physical harm sounds well-founded I would contact your local women’s abuse helpline. They can steer you toward resources that can be used to protect you. Since he lives out of state, there may be federal statutes that come into play.
Again, NC (no contact) is your only alternative to drive this non-human vehicle of discord from our life. There is no reasoning with them. No easing them out of the relationship. They only way you can get him out of your life is NC.
It’s a tough road, getting rid of and over a sociopath, but a road worth taking. Welcome.
Lostinfear,
You already have an excuse to go no contact. Sounds like he is playing to your guilt, that if you break it off and he offs himself or others it will be your fault. My advice would be to bow out of the drama with the other woman, and just use the reasons you already have to break it off with the guy. Then don’t accept any form of contact from him whatsoever so he can’t manipulate you into feeling guilty.
Lostingrief,
I just wanted to add I do understand where you are coming from though in feeling like you need a “new fight” to walk away. I went through that myself, but each time a new fight came along and I would try to break away, I would allow myself to get sucked back in, then I’d wait for another “reason” and on and on and on–a coupla zillion reasons or excuses later, I was still involved with the guy.
But the sad thing was there was “reasons” all the time, because even when things were seemingly going “well”, they were actually pretty bad. It just seemed like things were going “well” when I compared those times to the REALLY bad times. When I finally made my final break, there was no big blow up that gave me an “excuse”. I just made the decision I had had enough and I did it. And yeah, all hell broke loose, complete with threats, but I survived it.
And really, you have a pretty good advantage over him that is in your favor in dealing with him since you live in another state from him, thus there is distance between you. But still, once you make the break, take precautions. –Jen
Lostinfear,
Welcome to LoveFraud. I’m sorry you have to be here, but you’ve come to the right place. We’ve all been through it.
If you click here — http://www.lovefraud.com/blog/2008/01/16/bewildering-speech/ — you’ll find an article by DrSteve on the way sociopaths talk. You might find it interesting. I think there might be another one somewhere about “gaslighting.” That would also be good for you to read.
If no one has mentioned it so far, visiting the blog archive and reading some of the articles can be helpful. You don’t have to go through all the blogging under them (though there’s a lot of good stuff there too). But the articles can give you a lot of information about what you’re dealing with, and how to handle yourself.
What you describe is classic sociopath behavior. Not all of them are physically violent, but if your is threatening physical violence, you should take it seriously. All of them are verbally abusive, in the sense that they threaten, belittle, and try to make themselves powerful and us afraid.
The reason “no contact” is so important is two-fold. One is to give you a chance to start detoxing from the controlling input. The other is to stop giving him a way to get back into your life and your head.
It’s great that you want to get him out of your life. And even better that you found us. That’s what we’re all doing — extricating ourselves from these relationships and getting over it.
We’ve all been through it. We’re totally sympathetic. You deserve better than this.
Kathy
Jen, thank you so kindly for the attention I’m getting here that I so rightfully deserve! ROFLMAO! Is it so selfish of me to want a thread all for myself? (Oh yeah, I guess that’s the very definition of selfishness, isn’t it? ha ha ha ha). Your image of me isn’t too far off. Except that I recently had to cut my hair to shoulder length because it is thinning. And also I bought a Victoria Beckham (Posh Spice) wig that is very short and totally changed my image. I really wish we could all exchange photos. I’d be glad to give you a link to my pics on the former dating site, but I’d want to see what you all look like as well!
Jen, I’d be glad to star in your erotica. I’m certainly not getting any action in my real life. LOL I actually have done some writing myself, about a time when I was a private exotic dancer. Makes for some pretty interesting reading, and maybe some day it will be published.
Okay, back to business: Lostinfear, welcome to the community first of all. What are you afraid of if you just cut him out of your life? Are you afraid of physical violence, of losing him, or of him hurting himself and you feeling responsible for it? It sometimes helps to identify what the thread is that keeps you tangled in the web. Sounds like you know he is a sociopath. Sure sounds sociopathic to me. You know, it’s really okay to just walk away. You don’t owe him anything. You have a right to save yourself and get out of that situation. You don’t ever have to say another word to him. When I left my sociopath, I asked him not to ever contact me again. Then I walked and never looked back. Best thing I ever did in 2008.
Blessings to you.
Jen/Star – Might wanna hold off on those pictures… As Entertainment Coordinator of the 1ST ANNUAL LF CONVENTION (which I voted on and elected myself… this is the me, me, me thread , right?!…. I thought we would do a fun game at the convention!
Name that LF BLOGGER! We all bring a picture of ourselves and each get a shot at matching the names with the faces! (Jen and Star the photos must be pg/ not erotica style…thx!) And whoever gets the most amount correct – wins the award…a real live picture of themselves on Fat or Hairy with Oxy on the back waving her golden skillet!!!
This of course will take place prior to Kathy hooking up an IV to Steve with a drip bag of Vodka…and prior to Henrys Dirty Joke Act…so nobody leaves….(kidding Henry)lol…
…Maybe we will start the festivities with Name that LF BLOGGER!!! If you have any suggestions keep them to yourself because in case you didnt get the memo…Im running the show!!!!
Ha ha ha ha, learnthelesson!!!! No worries about me posting erotic pictures of myself. I am 48 now, so they’d first have to be photoshopped. Oxy better come back soon. It will take her forever to catch up on all these posts.
You guys are so wonderful. I have so much warmth for all of you, including the newcomers, too. Newcomers don’t realize what a wonderful family they have stumbled onto!
We could also play LF Scrabble, using such words as “extox”, “towanda” and “skillet”. LOLOLOL
You are all welcome to visit at my humble condo in Denver before I go into foreclosure. I recently purchased some extremely comfortable italian leather furniture off of Craig’s list in the event that I should ever have a big party. If I ever end up homeless, at least I’ll have a nice sofa to sleep on in the street. LOL
I’m serious about my offer.
LF Scrabble “Oxyish” “NC” that would be an acceptable word its in the LF Dictionary!! oh and what was the really popular screenname that came across the posts .. we all got a big kick out of it!! Cant remember, cant see, cant type lol…
Star – I have family in Denver – I will def have coffee or a cosmo with you when I visit…either on your couch in your livingroom or on your couch on curb at the Garden of the Gods!!