Hello my friends”¦
It’s so nice to be here, to discuss the subjects of narcissism and sociopathy.
I’d like to begin by asking each of you, one at a time, to tell us a little about me and what you hope to give me in our short time together?
Uh huh”¦hmmm”¦very interesting”¦.
As we continue circling the room, if it’s alright with you, I’d like to hear a little less about you, and more about me?
Okay, now that we’re done with the introductions”¦.
Let me formally begin by stating something fairly obvious: Narcissists and sociopaths are people you’ll want to avoid. Does this make sense? Are we in unanimity about this?
By the way, I want you to feel free during this presentation, at any point, to stretch my legs and get me a cup of coffee, to ensure my good circulation and alertness? (Incidentally, I like my coffee light with six sugars.)
My friends (and no, I’m not John McCain), I wonder whether any of you, right now, can look yourselves in the mirror and honestly say that you are completely attuned to me and, more important, humbled by the vast expertise I bring to this subject matter?
But I digress”¦.we are here, after all, to discuss me, not narcissists and sociopaths. (Excuse, I meant that the other way around!)
The gentleman over there, yawning, who is texting as I speak? You must be a sociopath, sir; or, at a minimum, a deranged narcissist, to have the gall to enter my audience and so blatantly disrespect me!
I’d suggest, sir, that you think less about that text message and more about the insulting message you send me with your contemptuous behavior?
By the way, my friends, I point that man out over there not to single him out and shame him gratuitously, but rather to identify live, spontaneous examples of narcissism and sociopathy right before your eyes.
Remember, my friends, by some estimates upwards of 4% of the general population are sociopaths! I believe that estimate comes from Martha Stout who, for purposes of her book sales (The Sociopath Next Door) lobbied for 26% as the figure, but after a noisy fight deferred to her publisher’s attorneys.
By my math, this means that, conservatively, at least four of you in the audience are clinical sociopaths. Well, I believe I’ve exposed the first!
Sir, sit down”¦where are you going? You can’t leave!! Sit back down, sir!!
Excuse me? You’re outraged? Did you say you were “outraged?”
Did you hear that, folks?
Listen to me, you arrogant jerk! Sit back down!!
You’re lucky I didn’t call security on you already for disrupting my presentation with your text messaging!! Now you compound your rudeness by deigning to escape with the blithe impudence of a sociopath?
My friends”¦this is the narcissist’s (or in his case, more likely the sociopath’s) contempt on full, alarming display!
Let me tell you something, sir, if I wasn’t so consumed with who I am, I’d be more interested to know who you are, if only to use my clout to ensure that you are permanently banned from all continuing education seminars—not just mine—in perpetuity!
You scoff, sir?
There it is”¦right there, my friends. Again”¦notice the contempt! See it for yourselves.
Fine”¦let him leave. We’re better off without him.
Now where were we?
Oh yes”¦just a reminder”¦we will break for lunch at 12 and I’d like you back no later than by 12:10.
That should give you enough time to scarf something down, and prepare for the brilliant material to come this afternoon.
And by the way, in order to avoid the congestion of those of you trying to crash my dining-room table to lunch with me, I will draw, in advance of our lunch-break, five names from a hat to establish who my dining table-mates will be.
This will be a random drawing, and I must warn you that I am not open to bribes, although I will note that those of you who buy my books—especially many of them—in the next hour or so, in the hall right outside this conference room, can expect special consideration.
Excellent”¦excellent.
The narcissist and sociopath”¦
Who are these individuals, my friends?
The scary thing is that they are our friends, our family, our colleagues, our doctors, our lawyers, our stockbrokers, our mates, and most chilling, our mail-carriers.
What else do we know about them?
We know that individuals with these warped personalities tend to regard others as “objects.”
As a matter of fact, if you leave here with nothing else, with, let us say, just a single, critical concept, let it be this: I know what I’m talking about.
As I was saying, these deviant individuals treat others not like individuals, but like objects. Remember this, because the implication is paramount: when you view others as a something, instead of a someone, it becomes easier to treat that person as a thing, not a person.
Hey you! Over there! Yeah, you! What are you, deaf? Do me a favor and turn the thermostat down, over there by the door. Yeah, right over there, by the door. Knock it down at least several degrees. I’m hot. Extremely hot.
Jesus Christ, yeah, you! That’s right”¦get up”¦out of your seat”¦then walk over to the wall, and jack the thermostat down. Get it, Einstein?
We know, by the way, that the narcissist will have little genuine interest in your experience while being pretty much entirely consumed in his”¦and his comfort.
What, people? You’re cold? That’s ridiculous. How can you be cold? You must be hallucinating! Because it’s hot in here! Nobody in their right minds could be cold when it’s so obviously, intolerably hot and stuffy in here.
Excuse me?
I’m invalidating your experience?
Sweetheart, what hypersensitivity drugs are you on? I’m merely stating an undeniable fact.
What? Don’t call you sweetheart?
Jesus, is this a feminist convention, or a continuing education seminar?
By the way, nobody touch the thermostat now that that cretin over there finally figured out how to adjust it.
I’m just kidding, calling you a cretin. God, you’re a hypersensitive crowd.
But seriously, if anyone so much as dares mess with the thermostat, you’re asking to see a side of me I’d prefer not to reveal.
My friends, sociopaths are fascinating creatures.
My god, have you ever had someone lie to your face, someone who makes an art form of lying convincingly, regardless of his patent guilt, for whom the very act of lying audaciously is a form of entertainment, satisfaction?
What I’m saying, my friends, is that, for the sociopath, the payoff is often the getting away with something; it is often the thrill of the game; the thrill of perpetrating fraud against others!
Come again? My doctorate? Are you questioning my credentials?
Read my lips and look into my eyes, and tell me if I’m lying: My doctorate is legitimate.
How dare you insinuate otherwise!
As the blurb on the seminar brochure says, I graduated at the top of my class from the College of America in 1985, with a Ph.D., MD., and JD. That makes me a psychologist, medical doctor, and lawyer—in other words, someone you don’t wanna mess with.
Now let me go a step further, as I look every single one of you in the eye from my podium: Not only are my doctorates legitimate, but so is everything in my biography.
That’s right, I dare any one of you to disprove a single assertion in my biography, including my claims to have studied closely with Carl Rogers, Gordon Allport, and Louis Pasteur.
Sure, I’m smiling. I’m smiling from the enviable position of a man who knows that he’s betrayed (excuse me, I meant conveyed) his integrity.
That was a Fraudian slip, people. Excuse me, I meant Freudian”¦that was a wholly innocent mistake. Don’t even go there.
Grandiosity”¦grandiosity. Let me look at my notes on grandiosity.
The narcissist and sociopath often have serious grandiosity issues”¦.hmmm.
Speaking of grandiosity, I routinely like to humble the clinicians I supervise by sharing the story of how Rogers—that’s right, Carl Rogers—once told me, “Len, you’re my favorite. You’re my favorite student. My most brilliant student. You will carry my work forward.”
Yes, this story tends to curb my students’ grandiosity.
You’re all shaking your heads”¦in appropriate awe, no doubt?
My friends, for the narcissist, even more than the sociopath, his grandiosity is a defense. The narcissist requires, like an addict, the experience and perception of himself as special, as above others.
Unless the narcissist is catered to, and treated as a sort of celebrity, he feels depressed, worthless, which typically takes the form of his anger and rage.
You two!! Knock it off!! How dare you whisper to each other while I’m speaking!!
Do I need to remind you people that I don’t have to be here. Don’t you get that? I don’t have to be here, people. You do; I don’t.
Last warning; this is my last warning. You people really are testing my patience.
Where was I, before your latest rude disturbance?
Anyway, I’ll tell you an interesting, and perhaps even edifying, story.
Once upon a time there was a married couple. And the wife periodically confronted the husband, “You know what? You’re a goddamned psychopath. That’s what you are. You put on a good front for the public. But make no mistake, you’re a masquerader. I know your deal. You’re a psychopath. And I’m gonna let people know. I’m no longer going to suffer your abuse in silence.”
And the husband laughed with great contempt, because he had great contempt for his wife. And he appreciated neither her scathing tone, boldness, nor, of course, her threat.
And the very next day the wife went missing. And was never to be found.
And the husband told each of his subsequent wives, of whom there were successively three, that they could never measure up to the first, his missing wife.
He’d probably never get over her loss, he’d tell them, with watering eyes.
His undiminished love for her, his first wife, probably was, he’d admit tearfully, holding him back. But he couldn’t help that, of course. His missing wife, after all, was the love of his life, and so maybe he was, he’d suggest, simply too scarred to ever get over it.
And his seeming vulnerability and seeming raw, emotional honesty made it much harder for his later wives to hold him accountable.
Why do I tell you this story, my friends?
Is it my story?
Not really. I know where my wife went”¦I’m convinced she returned to her family somewhere in eastern Mississippi where, I believe, she assumed a new identity and hence as if just dropped off the face of the earth.
Oh no, my wife is alive and well somewhere”¦she just doesn’t want anyone from her past to know about it.
I know exactly what you’re thinking, my friends: She, not I, is the psychopath?
You are a good crowd, very shrewd”¦yes you are.
And her successful disappearance proves just that, does it not? That she, not I, is the psychopath!
After all, only a psychopath, my friends, can just up one day, abandon her family, disappear permanently, and unconscionably leave a cloud of suspicion hanging over her betrayed husband!
Forgive me my tears”¦.I’m a very emotional man who, as you can see, has very deep feelings about this, still.
God, I miss her”¦that woman.
And every day I tell my kids, who are still young, “Don’t worry”¦she won’t be coming home”¦” Excuse me, that was another Fraudian slip”¦I meant to say I tell them, “Don’t worry, children”¦someday, when mama’s ready, she’ll reach out”¦and announce herself again”¦meanwhile, you must ignore those scurrilous, persistent rumors that have hounded me all your lives, rumors of my”¦uh”¦”˜involvement’ in your mother’s disappearance?”
I don’t mean to spin off on this, my friends, but you understand, don’t you, that that student intern with whom I took up just prior to my wife’s disappearance”¦you do realize that the timing of that was, of course, entirely coincidental?
It’s a funny thing, my friends, how in this cynical age we live in, nobody believes in coincidence anymore. How sad”¦how jaded”¦how tragic.
Where was I?
Sociopaths”¦yes, sociopaths are eternally intriguing personalities, my friends.
My friends, we are nearing time for a bathroom break. That is because, naturally, I have to go to the bathroom.
Before we break, and please be ready to resume promptly in no later than 40 seconds, I want to say something about the legendary psychopathy clinician Hervey Cleckley. Cleckley, you know, wrote the classic on psychopaths called “The Mask Of Sanity.”
If you haven’t yet read it, although it now costs about $850 for a used copy, you’re an idiot.
Anyway, I should tell you I was supervised by Dr. Cleckley himself as part of my externship right out of the University of Alabama. I sought Dr. Cleckley out myself, on my own initiative, and let me just say that after we spoke privately in his home office for exactly half an hour, he said, and I quote, “Young man, you are clearly a gifted young clinician. I was unprepared to take on another disciple, but I must say, now that I’ve met you, I wouldn’t think of missing the opportunity. By the way, have you read all six editions of my book?”
I answered, “No, Dr. Cleckley, just the five,” impressing him that I wouldn’t fall for his trick question (the sixth edition wouldn’t appear for some years later, until after his death).
As an aside, you might be interested to know that Dr. Cleckley referenced me frequently in his lectures to other psychiatrists and psychologists, referring to me as “my protégé Len.”
Who’s laughing?
You! Over there! Stand up!
My friends, here you have Exhibit A, standing naked before you, of insecurity, compensation, and envy!!
Your laughter, young man, is obviously a compensation”¦a compensation for the shame you undoubtedly feel at lacking the ability to grasp—to even begin to grasp—the profundity of my clinical wisdom and the intimidating gravity of my experience. This is all transparently obvious, young man. You are a fool.
I’ll tell you what, my friends. Let’s end this lecture, for the present, right here. It seems as good a moment as any. Besides the call of my bladder, I’m feeling some hunger pangs of surprising intensity and tenacity.
It is now 10:55; let’s reconvene no later than 11:05.
Remember, my books are displayed in the hall outside the room. My assistant Connie will be happy to assist your purchases.
Finally, it’s possible that, if we manage to cover the afternoon material efficiently enough and”¦.if you should happen to clear the table of my books for sale, I may consider ending the seminar a little early?
Enjoy your lunch.
(This article is copyrighted (c) 2009 by Steve Becker, LCSW.)
Shabbychic2: The SEC officers are green as Kermit the frog. There are no old timers (seasoned professionals) in that agency … all long ago retired.
Hey, maybe we all went into the wrong profession … we should have become bookkeepers (LOL).
Peace.
Steve! Brilliant! Monty Python would be proud. I’ve laughed so hard I had to break from reading so I didn’t do myself an injury! And, of course, learned so much. Well worth sore ribs.
The link below provides additional discussion by an expert on narcissism, Linda Martinez-Lewi, PH.D. It supplements Steve’s fine article and will help increase our awareness of the differences between narcissism and sociopathy.
Dr. Martinez-Lewi’s web site has many other helpful articles. I highly recommend her book as well. It’s loaded with insights and great info.
http://thenarcissistinyourlife.com/distinctions.html
I loved this article so much I printed it up and put it up on my fridge! I lived these kinds of conversations daily with both my ex-N/P’s so it’s wonderful to be able to poke fun at the insanity. Nobody who hasn’t been there can understand.
As for the books: neither of mine read books, either – just the news. In fact, my first N/P loudly asserted that fiction was ridiculous and a waste of time. He liked to watch ER when it first came out but always, always wished the writers would keep the “emotional” stuff out of it because “it ruined the show.” Stupid me – I was young and didn’t understand just what that meant.
a sociopath/sex predator addict who refuses to give sex to his own ‘girlfriend’ so to say…or victim….but will hit on any creature that breathes and is possibly molesting the gf’s cats…or has shown lots of sexual interest in the pets and makes the girl suffer for any form of ‘sex’…has anyone heard of a sociopath doing this….ok i need help because im dealing with a sociopath who refuses any form of sex/intimacy sleeping together any element of a relationship is gone….and in order to get those things I have to comply with the sociopaths requests and still don’t get them…he lives with me and it’s literally no contact…no touching no kissing nothing…no sleeping together…days with no contact and in order for me to have ‘contact’ with him I have to play this sick horrific game of asking, begging, asking getting rejected, asking…getting yelled at degraded called names…all for asking for a hug..or some physical contact….then it goes on and on…and then he asks me to wear certain thigns or dress a certain way, showr, shave, do this or that…just to get a hug or any form of affection…has anyone heard of this knid of horror before…being the victim of it it is beyond torture….the person is also physically abusive, just abusive in general…cheating having sex with everyone except his ‘gf’ into men def bisexual hits on anything aruond…will do anything….but makes his ‘gf’ jump thru hoops and suffer for any form of anything… if we ever go out anywhere..he is staring men up and down left and right, breathes heavy, makes moves on waiters…ive never witnessed anything like it in my life…or on women, men anyone anything….pets animals,
melanie:
I can’t speak to the sexual interest in pets, although my skin used to crawl when he was around young kids
However, gay or straight, the sexual starvation, abuse, etc is par for the course. I wrote a post, December 2008 entitled “Criminal Defense Attorney Falls For Sociopath” which describes a lot of what you’re going through. The sex started off gangbusters. Around New Year’s going into 2008 he started starving me sexually.
I now see, in retrospect that this was his means of control to get me to open my wallet up all the way so he could bleed me financially. Kissing him was like kissing a cold flounder. In bed he was so uninvolved I may as well been screwing a knothole in a fence.
But, stupid me kept hoping to win back that fabulous man and great lover. However, the only time he put out was when he wanted something from me. By the end, it was so transparent that when I did get him in the sack, it was basically a revenge fuck on my part.
My therapist says, and I agree that the lack of sex was indicative of him cheating on me. That I have no doubts of. Hell, friends of mine saw him out on the town hustling tricks.
Based on my take of your situation, you are in the same situtation I was — and most of us on this site were. It’s all about control with these creatures. He knows you are sexually starved and that is his way of controlling you. The fact that he can drive you to the point that you’re willing to debase yourself only reinforces his control. As for him checking out everybody he crosses paths with — that’s just par for the course. He knows it drives you crazy, so he now has even more control over you. And I can guaranty that no matter what you do, he ups the ante every time.
The sad realization is, only you can decide when you’re done being the victim. I know how hard that is. By the time I drove him out of my life, last November, I was ready to kill myself. That said, you’re in the right place for healing and help.
You may want to get your hands on three books which helped me immeasurably — “Without Conscience” by Robert Hare, “The Sociopath Next Door” by Martha Stout and “The Betrayal Bond” by Patrick Carnes. All 3 will help you to start understanding what you are dealing with and that you are not crazy. Also, I have never read it, but a lot of people on this site swear by “Women Who Love Sociopaths.” Knowledge is power when it comes to finally deciding you’ve had enough and need to get this subhuman creature out of your life.
Steve,
Wow! The red flags and up and flying! I laughed and then realized I used to tippy-toe around that kind of behavior, and I know folks who still do. Problem is my generation was inundated with books and articles about how to handle ‘difficult people.’ Since then I’ve learned, you don’t handle them, you walk.
Melanie,
Your post made my skin crawl. I am so sorry you have to live like this. I never lived with my N. The writing is on the wall. He treats you like a puppet and N. supply. Is he freeloading or paying for living expenses? My guess is, freeloading. I would say you are a victim not a girlfriend. No one deserves to be abused. This is not Love or healthy. Aren’t people afraid of disease? In my case I got pregnant.
I remember reading about somatic sociopaths/narcissist. Try google.
I think that’s, “Women Who Love Psychopaths” .com -also a great website by the same name. And, saferelationships.com they also have a magazine. Another one is, abusenoexcuse.com
I read, they don’t read books because they have no empathy. So they only read words and don’t understand the feeling in the context or between the lines.
Me, me, me, me, me the next broadway play. Brilliant
Melanie: I urge you to go get help immediately. If I remember correctly you posted something similar to this about a month ago and I am distressed that you are still in the situation. Do you have anyone else you can move in with? Or go to a woman’s shelter? I am very concerned for you.
Melanie,
It is upsetting to hear how this guy treats you, and being an animal person, unbearable to hear that he is abusing innoncent cats who have no choice where to live. Please get yourself and your animals away from him. You will not be able to start healing until you get him out of your life. Sounds like he is controlling you. Only you can decide not to live like that or subject your cats to abuse. Cats are very sensitive to people’s energy. Even if he doesn’t touch them, they will react to the stress in the house.