Those of us who have been in abusive relationships know all too well what it feels like to be discounted. We may have been told that our beliefs are ridiculous, our thoughts off kilter, and been made fun of for having them. We may have encountered ethnic or racial slurs, made by those who should have been the last to utter such words. After all, belittle our very core, the parts of us that we can do nothing about, and we may really turn into putty. We have also probably spent countless hours being ignored, which signals us that we were not worthy of the abuser’s time or attention. As a result, over time, even we may begin to question out own judgment, value, and abilities.
The list can continue. That’s the point. Why? We are easier to overcome and dominate when we are adequately confused, humiliated, weakened, and without a support network. Abusive individuals use a variety of tactics to break out spirits and confidence. Everything we do, think, and hold dear is typically fair game for attack. Unfortunately, so are those we associate with.
“Peggy” the social worker
Now that I understand, it makes sense. I could never figure out what was so “wrong” with my friends and others around me. I got to thinking about this recently, as I was getting ready to meet “the social worker” for dinner. A LCSW, (Licensed Clinical Social Worker) and friend since childhood, she always seemed just fine to me. We became friends in homeroom, after I moved to a new school. Knowing almost no one at the school, I had a somewhat difficult time correctly attaching all of the new names to the new faces right away. One day, after tiring of being called “Peggy,” which was not her name, she half jokingly addressed me as “Lisa.” From that day on, I got it right and we have been close ever since, almost thirty years.
“Peggy” was not popular with the abusive person in my life and her name was inconsequential, because she was usually simply dismissed as “the social worker.” As adults, we lived a bit of a distance from each other and saw less of each other than we had as kids and throughout college. As a result, I was always excited to spend time with her when our schedules allowed. When I mentioned getting together with her, a common response was something like this, “The social worker. Thank God I won’t be around.” This individual reported feeling “analyzed” by her. I did not believe that was true and would engage in trying to convince him of what a good friend and person she was. Of course, with no success.
Was he afraid of being found out? As a life-long friend, point of support, and member of a mental health field, perhaps he felt his cover was at risk. Regardless, although superficially friendly, it was clear that he did not want to be around her.
While tirelessly vocal about this “ridiculous” friend, few close to me fully escaped scrutiny. Most others were just less threatening.
The “brotherhood”
However, there was one group that had the potential to pose a unique problem. My affiliation had to be quashed. Law enforcement was a dangerous place for me, but not for the obvious reasons that might occur to most people.
At one point, while driving, we were stopped for a very minor moving violation. Although I was the passenger, I leaned over to speak to the officer executing the traffic stop, identifying myself as law enforcement. We were in County jurisdiction, but just outside of the town I worked for. After a brief exchange, the officer did not issue a citation. I felt relieved and expressed my happiness. His line of business frowned upon moving violations and the offense was minor. My mistake. I recall the response being a glaring, disgusted look and subsequent notification that he would have rather received the ticket. “You know what you can do with your brotherhood…” Needless to say, I spent the remainder of the evening angry, confused, and attempting to convince this individual that the police are generally good and that the notion of “having each other’s backs saves lives, blah, blah, blah. My display must have been an excellent source of entertainment, as the topic, one again, shifted to his disdain for me. I played right into his hand. He could not stand that I was one of “them.”
Potential entertainment value aside, this individual successfully left me questioning a belief system I held as important. Had I been brainwashed at the Academy, as suggested? No. The only brainwashing occurred in the environment where I should have been the safest. According to this individual, between those in my profession at the time, and those I surrounded myself with on a personal level, I was surrounded by “low life’s.” Therefore, the assumption would be that if I fit in with them, I was also one.
The rationale
If someone can convince us that every association we have is flawed, then maybe they can convince us that we are too. If our brethren is inherently perverted, but we subscribe to their beliefs, then we must be as well. If we believe this, on any level, even subconsciously, it diminishes who we believe ourselves to be. As we discount ourselves, we unknowingly transfer our power to our abusers. It feels awful, but we don’t know why we feel as we do. It is no wonder that, upon review, one of my areas of deficiency on the job was identified as lack of consistent command presence. It was hard to feel consistently in command of anything when I was crumbling from aggressive covert and overt attacks that eroded the fibers of my being. If only I had known then what I know now.
Why don’t we know better?
It’s hard to see what’s happening, while immersed in it. The perpetrators are usually people we trust. Even if we know something is wrong, at this stage, we have little idea what it is. We are attached in ways that perpetuate our dependence on the dysfunction. They set us up appear hyper sensitive to the things they do or say. This person watched and listened in a superior delight, as I defended my friends and fellow police officers to points of exhaustion.
I should have let all of it, in its entirety, roll right off of me, but I did not. I did not learn of what was happening until much later. At the time, I did not know that my decent nature was being used against me. I failed to understand the reasons behind the contempt for my honest efforts. However, now I do. It remains valuable information. This information is critical to our healing, so regardless of when the understanding occurs, it will help.
Fixerupper! A “kook,” indeed! 😉
Dear Freedom, Yep, I worked nights for years so I definitely know what you and Kim are talking about. But there must be some folks out there at night in hospitals, cop shops and eateries, hotels etc. So thank you both for filling that need.
And hey, LF is here nearly 24/7 due to the fact we are scattered all over the world.
I am a stickler for the “LOL” expression. Don’t like it at all, especially here because of the very serious topic of discussion. Sorry, people. I can’t control or stop it, but it makes me wince (anywhere I see it…but especially here…it is not a laughing matter).
Sorry babs, sometimes if we don’t lol once in awhile, we can go nuts! It’s not a good thing if we are all gloom and doom here! I have yet to see a serious serious post that has any lol’s in it. If a post is light hearted in nature, I see nothing wrong with a :-). Not criticizing here, to each their own…..
Thanks for the article, I can identify with most of it but it brought to my mind an opposite twist were the psychopath tries to take away your friends and relatives and turn them against you.
Why do I still want to send this information to my daughter and sister so they will understand. Just saying it, I don’t.
I asked my husband the other day if all this dismissal, began when I started to not take it anymore. He said “Absolutely” but did not necessarily think it it was a good idea. He takes everything and it rolls right off his back. Not me, I get crushed to the core.
Truthspeak said, “So, this behavior of isolation, dismissal, and belittling is an unwavering constant in the World Of Spath.” I would add that it it also an unwavering constant in those who want to deny the psychopath is dangerous, be they minions or just do not want to believe. They blame me and say I should put it in the past and let it stay there. I agree if it was really in the past; but it is not in the past if he is cozying up to my family behind my back.
My oldest sister who came down when my other sister was dying was married to a psychopath too. When I tried to talk to her about it to get her to understand my plight with my daughter, she said she has just let it go, it is okay if her daughter still wants to see him. Easy for her, her daughter is solid on her side. Sister just calls him an “ass wipe” even though he is clearly psychopath.
It was okay with me for my daughter to see him too but I finally just said I (just me) will not see him and she would not let me. She was so angry and controlling about that she tried to force it, lied, manipulated and drove me into hysteria. She bought his whole gig that we should be one big happy family with my current husband of 30 years because he cannot keep a wife and . He got her to move away, hate me and finally to cut off the grandchildren.
Now my only living sister and only living sibling has tried to alienate my daughter from me too. I could forgive my other sister because she was alone and had no children but this sister has children and grandchildren of her own. She only needed my daughter (executrix for my late sister’s estate) to try to steal her possessions.
I admit my behavior has been awfully and I have temper tantrums like a little child from the perpetual blaming isolation, dismissal and belittling. They act like they are innocent and it is all my fault. It triggers my always being the scapegoat and the abused one and I just go on tilt. I was the youngest sibling and abused from day one, low person on the pecking order and not protected by my parents. Has anyone else been driven into insanity by minions and then blamed? I do not see any way out except total isolation from them.
I just do not believe they are ALL psychopaths. They isolate dismiss, and belittle me. So for my mental health they might as well be and I am away from them and mostly no contact. They cut me off first and blame it on my anger but I see no hope of reconciliation. So I am grieving the death of my sister alone and I guess they are too or not
The psychopath as now started ignoring my son. His wife knows and will not see the psychopath. My son and I have always been close and I adore his wife. I think psychopath sperm donor is now trying to divide his own son and daughter. He did it before by luring my son to move away, not caring about taking him away from his sister.
Divide and conquer; that is all there is to it. Blame, isolate, dismiss and belittle. But the real psychopath is so sneaky you do not see it. I guess it is with the minions that it is so obvious from the start. Or is it because I am more astute to it now? No, they are too clumsy with it to be true psychopaths.
Anyway, I appreciate all of your sharing on such an interesting topic.
Maybe someday when the pain subsidies I will be able to post short comments with wisdom instead of blathering on. I was there once in recovery from the psychopath and I will get through this too. We will survive, that is what this place is about. Many thanks to Donna and everyone here wherever you are on your journey. Bless you all.
Betsybugs, I’m so sorry that the reconnection with the sister hasn’t come to fruition.
A person doesn’t have to be spath to be toxic. And, regardless of whether the toxicity comes from someone that shares my DNA or happens to be a cab driver in Hoboken doesn’t matter. Toxicity is out, for me.
I’m so sorry that you’re having these terrible experiences. Did you ever consider counseling therapy with someone that “gets it?” It may be an option to consider, at this point. You’ve experienced a number of losses and it can simply become overwhelming enough without adding disorders and toxicity into the mix.
Brightest and most supportive blessings
Betsybug, I’m reading this and posting a little late, but I hope you see this and that we can comfort and support each other. My husband of 30 years has very subtly drawn the children and even my mother toward him through milking feelings if sympathy. The predominant feeling is “Poor Steve!” It amazes me that everyone has so readily forgotten the abuse, the on-going lies, the loans he’s never paid, and overall irresponsibility. He always sounds very intelligent—very reasonable. He can spin a story. And I’m under enormous pressure to keep the family together. It seems that the only way I can see my youngest son is if I go to his house. I’m working at keeping boundaries and establishing relationships outside the immediate family. The loss of my children’s favor and of witnessing this increasing distance between us can feel overwhelming. Thanks to Love Fraud, I have improved in not blaming myself, punishing myself for this awful situation. I am still in process. All I can offer, Betsy, is please don’t be too hard on yourself. It’s understandable that you’ve been crushed to the core and that your family has witnessed that. The truth is that others should also be outraged by the way you have been treated. If other family members don’t “get it”, you’ll find others that do— particularly through this blog. We’re here. We’ve all suffered. You’re not alone. And someday you’ll heal. And you are worthy of love. God bless!
Cherith 10 and Betsybug;
I too have been battling with my family and friends providing sympathy to the spath I am still married to (but in the process of divorcing). My eldest sister thinks I am the crazy one as I will lose so much financially. She refuses to believe that my spath poisoned me. I think now after reading and researching that it is entirely possible he wanted to drive me to suicide (guess it’s called murder by suicide in psycho speak).
I believe that it is something that all of us have had to deal with. The spaths are so deceitful and their methods covert. It is typical for people to feel empathy and the spaths use this as a weapon against all of us.
I continue to remind my son that his father’s new happy mood since separating from his mother is not that I was a bad wife, but his father’s new MASK to attract people and to provide him with his narcissistic supply.
The whole concept is hard to comprehend as it happens so insidiously and is all acted on without people even understanding that they are being manipulated.
HEALING- LEARNING-SUPPORTING- DISCOVERING
Linda, Thank you for this excellent article. For me, the spath’s paranoia about EVERYONE i was associated with was perplexing and upsetting and ultimately massively controlling. I, of course, did not realise what was happening. He basically didn’t like my children, my sister, parents, friends, work colleagues etc.
He limited the amount of visits I could have and moaned about the length of time I was with them when I did visit. Constantly texting me……sigh. It is a horrible memory