Saturday night, the Lovefraud reader “rriinnaa” posted the following under Heeding the Exploiter’s Earliest Warning:
I cant stop crying .. and I dont know what Im crying over ! Im crying over the happy-go-lucky joyful loving warm Rina.. the woman I once was .. THAT I POSSIBLY won’t be again ”¦. i want to be held and rocked until this pain goes away, but i have to work, i have to pay bills,i have to bring up my children ”¦ all the PROMISES HE MADE TO ME, “when you cry Rina, I will cry with you” ”¦.. “I would die for you Rina—¦. “such simple things make you happy Rina”.. “Rina, you are the light in my life—¦ “Rina, you are strong and I believe in you” .. AND AND AND AND AND AND AND .. oh my god AND I BELIEVED EVERYTHING HE EVER SAID TO ME”¦ I believed him .. he hated me because I was strong and he did everything in his power to crush that.. he didnt have that sense of fun, that wacky sense of humour, that friendliness that everyone fell in love with THAT WAS ME, THAT WAS THE GIRL HE MET”¦. and I have lost that girl i once was.. i want it back, i want to live and laugh and be happy .. he has turned me into his apprentice monster ”¦ oh my god !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
TELL ME THERE IS KARMA.. TELL ME HE WILL HURT ONE DAY PLEASE TELL ME THAT HE FEELS .. yeah right ”¦”¦”¦I still can’t get it in my head THAT HE IS A SICK SOCIOPATH.. I STILL CANT BELIEVE I FELL IN LOVE WITH THAT THING ! IM GOING CRAZY .. i cant get my head around it .. i saw a psychologist.. it was the worst thing i could have done last week ..IS THERE A GROUP MEETING WHERE I CAN TALK TO REAL PEOPLE IN MELBOURNE ABOUT THIS MONSTER ????? can someone guide me to somewhere, someone that understands what I am going through ????????????????????
i am sorry”¦ i am ranting”¦. maybe i have finally gone over the edge ? nooooooo NO NO .. i never will. I will find the strength.. .again .. im up and down and my kids are suffering.. as much as I try to hide it ”¦”¦. they feel it, they see it and I HATE HIM FOR DOING THIS TO ME I HATE HIM ..
I remember feeling like this. In fact, when I read Rina’s message, I got that old tightening in my chest, that inability to breathe, that constantly-on-the-verge-of-tears feeling again.
I remember the rage, the hatred, the utter despair.
They’re normal reactions to the betrayal of a sociopath.
Why it’s so bad
We’ve all had romantic relationships end before. Why the end of a relationship with a sociopath so much worse?
First of all, the scale of the deception is beyond what most of us have ever experienced. These people don’t just lie about where they were last night. Their entire lives are lies—everything they ever did, every human relationship they ever had. In my case, as I started to unravel what was really going on, each day brought another fabrication, another betrayal. Recently, nine years after I left my sociopathic ex-husband, I discovered yet another lie. It never ends.
Then, the degree to which we were used is unbelievable. My ex-husband wanted a place to live, reliable sex and someone to finance his dreams of grandeur. All his love notes, his little gifts, and his forever promises, were designed to make me provide those things. It worked. Then, two and a half years later when I was used up, he moved on.
But perhaps the biggest reason why it’s so bad is because sociopaths steal our dreams and use them against us. In those heady early days of the relationship, as the sociopaths listen intently, we’re spilling our guts, telling them what we really want, what is really important to us, what we want out of life. We think they’re listening because they truly want everything that we want. In reality, they’re listening to discover the deepest places within us where they can set their hooks.
Sooner or later, it all collapses.
At that point, we lose our trust—trust in other people, trust in ourselves, trust if life itself. And as Karin Huffer writes in the Legal Abuse Syndrome, “the most profound loss is loss of trust.”
Dealing with the pain
We’re left with the emotional wreckage—along with very real problems like physical illness and injury, financial devastation, caring for children and legal issues. And all of it was caused by someone who supposedly loved us. What do we do?
The only way out of the pain is through it.
People often call and ask me how to cope. I suggest that you hold yourself together while dealing with the practical, financial and legal issues. Somehow, you have to keep your emotions in check so you can think and make decisions.
But after those concerns are handled, and you are alone, let it rip. Allow yourself to cry, yell and curse. Get physical—stomp your feet or twist towels. My personal favorite was envisioning my ex-husband’s face on a pillow, and punching the crap out of it. (For more information, read Releasing the pain inflicted by a sociopath.)
Why do we need to do this? Because emotions are physical. They are not intellectual concepts that will dissipate upon discussion. They are physical sensations, and must be dealt with physically. The tears, yelling and punching are the means by which the emotional pain is drained from the body.
What you’ll find is that there are layers and layers of pain—you’ll release some, and more will rise to the surface. So you do the exercise again. And again. And again.
Older, deeper pains
Then what you’ll find is that older pains—injuries not inflicted by the sociopath—will also rise to the surface. Perhaps they were injuries from your family of origin, or other relationships, or profound disappointments in your life.
When you find these pains, you have struck gold. These are the pains that made you vulnerable to the sociopath in the first place. They too, must be released. When they are no longer buried within you, you will be able to move into a new life of peace, contentment and happiness.
It’s hard to believe this when you are in the midst of the trauma. But it is true—you can pass through the pain and come out the other side. The process is not pretty. A therapist, if you can find one who gets it, may be able to guide you, but you alone must do the work. And it will take time.
Many of us on Lovefraud have talked about how we’ve become stronger, wiser individuals after our run-ins with the sociopaths. This is how it happens. We persevere through the pain, and then we are set free.
Dear dear Rina,
I noticed your first posts a few weeks ago. Wow, a fellow victim right here in Victoria, Australia, I thought!
Me, I am about two years out from the end of my victimisation, and I think I am just about at the point of really becoming myself again, and quite possibly a ***better*** self than I was before my encounter with the psychopath. It takes quite a while!
I still read LoveFraud almost daily. I too saw a psych. for a few sessions but she really didn’t “get” what I was talking about at all. In fact I had to edit the story for her, to make it more credible/manageable for her limited cognitive powers :-0. Reading Lovefraud, plus a few other web sites/articles, and a several books… has been much more useful on the whole.
Anyway, I’ve e-mailed my e-mail address to Donna with permission to pass it on to you, in case you’d like someone “local” to talk to. I don’t live IN Melbourne anymore, but in the country a couple of hours away, and do visit Melbourne a couple of times a month typically.
The stage you are at is absolutely disgusting – I remember it well! But it DOES get better, believe me.
Big (((hugs))).
Donna, thank you for such a wonderful response to this woman’s devastating pain. You put it all together so wonderfully, clearly and completely.
Yes, finding a therapist that “gets it” is difficult. I was fortunate that my psychiatrist had known me for some time and respected me. I did find a therapist that FINALLY believed me, but I had to take in court documentation and a witness to prove I wasn’t a “paranoid delusional” NUT CASE thinking the whole world is out to “get me.” LOL I wasn’t offended, because I KNOW how CRAZY and paranoid my story sounds, and EVERY STORY on here is JUST AS OUTRAGEOUS AND “UNBELIEVEABLE” by “normal” folks, even therapists. LOL
For the person who has not experienced such devastation from what might even seem to some as a “trivial” break up with a lover or a divorce—it is IMPOSSIBLE TO COMPREHEND.
In many things humans I think can somehow get SOME idea of how you suffer if you break your foot without having had a broken foot yourself…you have other things that are similar that you can compare them with. But it IS “different” with the total devastation of our psyches by the psychopaths. It is somehow so much deeper, so much more painful–the “tip of the ice berg” is all that shows, and the wounds are SO MUCH deeper and less visible than other wounds.
I liken it to a malignant melanoma, which can be on the SURFACE nothing more than a small black, irregularly shaped mole, but while very little shows, it is growing in every part of the body, eating it away with an INTERNAL CANCER that destroys its host from within.
The quicker we can find that the “cancer” is there, and excise it, the less damage it will do, and the better our chances of recovery without great damage—but if we ignore the outward signs (the red flags) and let it continue to secretly invade ourselves, it can literally kill us or rip us apart, leaving nothing but a shell.
Coming here to your site is so healing for so many of us and I would like to thank you again for your work on this and your care and understanding. God bless you, Donna.
Thank you Donna. Everything you wrote helped me to put certain things in perspective for me.
I read those posts by rriinnaa and I felt overwhelmed. I remember going through this.
This post helped me today because I have been struggling with a lot of anger at my family and about the disappointments of my life. It hadn’t occured to me that this too is a stage. I thought this was the end…and this is who I will be now: bitter, lonely, angry, hopeless.
I have had a few sleepless nights. I keep thinking of the old me and all that she believed in and feeling sad that “she” is gone. Without her, I don’t think I can fall in love again, nor am I very appealing to fall in love with. :o(
I am stuck in the place I call “Hopeless” because I have decided that hope is too dangerous and fantasy like. I can’t stand to hope for anything because I can’t stand to be disappointed. I saw a therapist twice but she insisted that I have hope. She didn’t understand that to me, HOPE means the possibility of being let down and falling on my face. I can’t do that again.
I am struggling right now because the man I was dating casually is being TOO casual and I know I need to cut him loose. I know it’s not going to change and I am starting to feel like I am providing him a service.. you know what I mean? I am confronted by the fact that I can’t bring myself to put an end to something that is totally unsatisfying to my spirit. Instead, it appears I am going to wait for the ax to drop and then I will feel bad even though I know this is a waste of my time. He’s no psycho but he’s not excited about me either. I can tell. We are a bore and a half together. Even his messages “just checking in” are SO BORING. The excitement level is a “2” for me but have I learned nothing? I still need the attention so bad. This makes me sick.
After everything I have been through, looking at how I am being now, I feel that I must still be vulnerable. I can see that my esteem and my worth are still tied to being loved by a man. AND.. I will STILL hang out with a man who CLEARLY does not love me. He’s not abusive, he’s just detached.
I am disappointed in myself.
rriinnaa I wish i could hold you and rock your pain away. That is how I feel that is what I want. Deliver me from all the sadness -deliver me from all the madness. There is no on – off swith for a broken heart. We do have to walk through the pain, day by day, minute by minute, second by second. We are not alone in this. It is up to us to heal our selves, hang in there…………..
Dear AloaT, I think it takes a long time to get over encounters with PDisordered people and can leave us in a place of feeling rather like a punctured balloon. Because we feel jaded with ourselves and life, it all takes on a rather jaded perspective. We gave so much energy, so that although we are over the worst and out of the mire, we are still in recovery.
Some of the simple things in life give us joy – find things in your life that give you joy and lift your spirits and raise your feel good feeling in yourself. One thing I have realised is to avoid situations that – leave me open to attack, lower my self esteem and that includes people and situations that are not adding value to my life. The man in your life is not the dangerous drama man you had before, so at least you know you are safe in that respect, and perhaps this is a settling ‘back in’ period for you. Best wishes to you Aloa. (((hugs)))
“I remember the rage, the hatred, the utter despair.”
Strange that you put those words in this order.
Rage, yes for me was first. a rage I never knew before or since.
Hated, deep hate for my abuser, then dealing with lies upon lies..
Utter despair is what is left from this relationship. Utter Despair!
“It never ends”
How very true! Knowing that this person will again use another. Again the lies go on and on! How can a person deny their own history and still walk around and believe there is any good inside that person?
“But perhaps the biggest reason why it’s so bad is because sociopaths steal our dreams and use them against us.”
I wanted (being a child of the state) a family even when I was a child. A family to call my own. Children that I would love and care for all my living days. When I was a child as an orphan what did I wish for Christmas? A father and mother! Did I want to be rich? No, I just wanted a family! Did I want to be famous and important person? No, I just wanted a family! Did I want to love and be loved? Yes, something I would be able to give to my family!
“Sooner or later, it all collapses.”
Yes, it all “collapses”. Our hopes, dreams and hard work. Trying over and over again to make work an dysfunctional relationship that never in a million years had any possibility of working!
“Then what you’ll find is that older pains—injuries not inflicted by the sociopath—will also rise to the surface. Perhaps they were injuries from your family of origin, or other relationships, or profound disappointments in your life.”
Past emotional debt! True and then how we all must re-open these past experience and try to heal from those as well. The very “past” of these emotional debts that allow us to become the victims we are today. I wanted my parents to love me. So what did I do? Find someone and then tried to make that person love me! Only to discover you can’t make people love you! I wanted my parents to be “fixed”. So what did I do? I found someone and tried to “fix” her! Only to discover that I can only fix me, never another person!
Rina
I feel your pain!
alohatraveler
“I am stuck in the place I call “Hopeless” because I have decided that hope is too dangerous and fantasy like. “
Hope.
This is something none of us can afford to lose.
“Hopeless is a dark and lonely place to be”.
We as a socially put people in these type of abyss.
Prisoners of War
Killers on death roll
Cancer victims
Hopelessness is only when we believe there is no hope left.
Remember 9/11?
Remember those that jump to their own death?
These people saw no hope.
Would I do the same in their place?
Maybe so..
There are times when there is no hope.
And that time is and always will be when we give up hope!
alohatraveler
Your ex-sociopath took many things from you. Please don’t allow hope to be one of them..
HOPE
As a child, I awoke with hope
My parents born me and gave me hope
Teaching me the joy of hope
As a child, I walk with this hope
As a young man, I bare hope
Going to school and learning about hope
Learning about people, places and things
All sharing the truth of Hope
Meeting a young girl and in her my hope
We married with only a promise of hope
For in my wife did I place my hope
Had children who awoke with hope
Us teaching them the joy of hope
All my children are now gone
Taking with them the joy of hope
Teaching their children the promise of hope
For in my children did we place the joy of hope
Here I lay dying
Old and fragile
I think of my life so filled with hope
A hope given to me as a child
A hope I shared with my wife
The joy of hope we gave to our children
So I ask myself is there no hope?
Here I lay dying
Old and fragile
Is my hope also dying?
Nay, I say!
For my hope will always be with
My lord
My wife
My children
And me…
That’s why hope can never die
Not when we place our hope
In those we love.
We place the joy of hope.
Donna,
Great post. I have said along along that this journey has been a self discovery. As I have been reading all these books relating to S, I have found myself automatically thinking of other situations in my life that should have been a red flag, or situations from my growing up years that must probably have made me the way I am and why I fell for the S. I firmly believe now that if it would not have been this S and this situation, it would have been with someone else. Make sense?
It does sound like so many of you are doing so much better – it is a long process. I figure it took me 5 1/2 years to reach the end with the S, it will take 5 1/2 years to feel recovered. All you can do is take each day at a time – some are better than others; but there is a light at the end of the tunnel.
Dating I won’t even consider at this time. I have my family, friends, job, and even my house to keep me busy. Right now it IS all about me. I am finally taking care of myself FIRST!!
Keep up the good work all of you.
Donna, you are a Godsend!
Wow, some profound and deep thoughts!
Aloha, yes,, that is the way it is with HOPE, if you have no hope, you can’t be disappointed, but without hope there is no joy.
If you have no love, you can’t be betrayed, but if you have no love, you have no joy. (and that definitely includes self love)
If you have your heart’s desire, there is always the sword hanging over your head that it will leave, be broken, die; that in some way you will lose it.
In the years of the American Revolution, many women lost beloved children, many beloved wives died in childbirth or as a complication of it. I am reading a biography of Thomas Jefferson right now. His wife had 6 horrible pregnencies, and was critically ill with each one, four of those children died, most of the deaths after the children were several years old, Jefferson was filled with terror of losing Martha and guilt that their love and bearing children was killing her. When Martha finally died, even though her death had been expected for several months and he had had several close calls with her death before, he was totally unprepared for that death and went into a profound and deep depression.
Jefferson, though a man of genius, was on a personal level very troubled and dysfunctional. He bound his two surviving children to him with guilt that if they were not “good” children that he would not love them. By today’s standards, his letters to them were cruel missives of “do what I say or I will quit loving you.”
After his wife’s death, he had several affairs with unhappily married women, and then his slave Sally Hemmings by whom he had several more children. He was never a happy man except for the first few years that he was married, before his wife’s problems with her health began.
He felt that the Universe had taken away from him everything he loved and he didn’t deal well with the guilt and never really recovered his hope. His unresolved griefs haunted him like Ghosts for the remainder of his unhappy life. Even though the grief about his wife, never resolved, was not directly discussed in his letters, his letters to his paramour, and the famous 12 paged dialog between “Head and Heart” that he sent to her, give us a clear look into Jefferson’s emotional turmoil—the same turmoils that WE–humans—have about love vs loss.
Jefferson’s writings about his estatic love for this paramour, knowing it could not last, but being besotted by the woman, and she by him, (her marriage was not a marriage but a financial arrangement, however she was the property of another man) sounds like the feelings that we felt when we too were besotted by the Psychopaths’ promises of estacy.
My husband was 15 yrs older than me, and I knew there was a very good chance that I would out live him, but knowing that, I still loved him. Married him. Lost him. I would do it OVER AGAIN, KNOWING WHAT I KNOW NOW.
I purchase a dog, and love it, and know that there is almost 100% chance that I will outlive that dog, and grieve and cry when it dies, gets hit by a car, runs away, or whatever happens to it. Then I grieve and go get another dog…knowing the same thing, I will most likely outlive that companion of my heart.
Recently when doing a cattle herding demonstration my beloved border collie got kicked and went down like he had been shot RIGHT BEFORE MY EYES. I groveled in the mud and cow crap crying uncontrollably and in shock to pick up what I thought was his dead body, ignoring the 100s of people who were watching. Yesterday I tookk him out to work my cattle, knowing that there is always the odd chance it will happen again.
Everytime we put our kids on a school bus, there is a chance they might not come home. It isn’t as much a chance from disease and death by accident as Martha and Thomas Jefferson faced, but it is there. We know the RISKS of loss, and most of us have faced the REALITY of loss as well.
The complete resolution of grief, the final resolution of our losses, is that we can come to ACCEPTANCE..where we CAN HOPE again, we CAN LOVE again.
The mother who loses one child and never completely resolves the grief and lives in fear that something will happen to the other child and is continually in FEAR and without HOPE ruins her own joy, and the joy of the child as well. She smothers the liviviing Child with the FEARS of LOSS and the Lack of Hope.
We can go through the rage and anger, the sadness, the bargaining, and all the other stages of the “grief process” but if we don’t come to acceptance where we can again embrace HOPE—we have not completed the process. Unresolved grief is as TOXIC as about any cancer there is, it steals the joy of your life for what you DO HAVE. CAN HAVE.
We all laugh at the old cynical thing about “Murphy’s law” that “anything that can go wrong, will go wrong at the worst possible time.” My husband added to this that “Murphy was an optimist!” LOL
Getting through the rage and anger, I think is the easiest part, getting through the sadness is also one of the “easier” parts—it is coming to acceptence that is the HARD part.
With the loss of my P-son, first his imprisonment, and then the realization, the final realization that he is a MONSTER, will ALWAYS be a monster, and that there is “nothing” I can do about it but ACCEPT IT…I stayed in the “bargaining” stage for so long, thinking that if I did this it might help, if I did that it might help, it seemed to be helping, it didn’t seem to be helping, try something else, etc. and I stayed in UNRESOLVED GRIEF over the loss of my hopes and dreams and love for my son—it was only coming to acceptence with him that he was “dead” to me that I could put it behind me, get on with life and RENEW HOPE in my life. RENEW JOY.
When I realized that my mother was a TOXIC ENABLER for my P-son, a “psychopath by proxy” is my term for it, I felt all the pains of the loss of my parent, the shame the rage, the hate, the frustration—-but in the end I had to pronounce the relationships “dead”–just as dead as my stepfather and just as dead as my husband. GONE.
After my husband’s death and my LACK OF HOPE (My neediness) for another relationship left me open when the P waved his “magic wand” in front of my face and promised me the “love of my life” again—when that was gone, when I realized it was a FAKE, I again grieved….but have come again to ACCEPTENCE, and rational thought that it ISN’T LIKELY that I will ever find another “love of my life” BUT I still have the HOPE that I will, and if it “shows up” I will cautiously clasp it to my heart, but not with the neediness of no boundries.
In the meantime I enjoy the relationships that I DO have, rather than feel bitter or lonely because I don’t have a “relationship with a man” I try to focus on the wonderful friendships I DO have. I remember fondly the relationships that are physically gone, my husband and my step dad and I can “talk to them” inside my head, remember the things we did with joy and laughter.
It has been a LONG, DIFFICULT AND PAINFUL succession of losses since July 04 when my husband died. A lot of things that were previoiusly unresoslved losses and pains and insecurities have surfaced as well. There were things I found out about myself that I had been keeping “secret” from myself. My inability to set proper boundaries, the guilt I felt about setting boundaries within my family and close friends, and WHY I felt this guilt, and I expunged this guilt as inappopriate. I’ve looked deep in to the well of my own soul and seen the “spots” there that needed correction, and I am sure that over the course of my life I will find more, but I CAN ACCEPT THIS LESS THAN PERFECT PERSON, and LOVE HER.
I will not let the loss of the Ps, or the loss of my beloved family members either, take the HOPE and the enjoyment out of the rest of my life. I am the only one in control of my destiny. Only I can acheive my hopes and dreams, but if those hopes don’t come “true”—I won’t let it ruin the rest of my life either.
Right after my husband was killed, there was a medical student at the University of Arkansas in LIttle Rock who didn’t make the Olympic team that he had trained for his entire life. As a consequence of this “loss of his fondest dream” (loss of this ONE Hope) he stabbed his physician wife 48 times, then jumped out the window of a tall building and killed himself.
Obviously “he had some issues”—and he didn’t “deal well” with the LOSS of his ONE DREAM, he let it end his own life and that of his wife. We can see how stupid and terrible this was. We can see what a terrible loss it was, and over something that WE think he should have “accepted” the loss of that one dream to be on the Olympic team, and gone on with his life, and enjoyed the many many other talents and options that he had before him. WE don’t think that not making the Olympic team was anything close to a “reason” or “excuse” for killing his wife and then himself….but obviously at that moment HE did. His RAGE at her, at himself, at the world overcame him and pushed him over the brink.
Most of us, I would say would never never never contemplate such an action as he took, but though we eventually get through the anger and the RAGE at our loss, get over the feeling that we would LIKE to throttle our psychopathic abusers, we get over the tremendous grief and sadness, we quit the bargaining and get over the inappropriate and malignant HOPE that we can fix that situation–but if we stop short of acceptence that we CAN be happy, we CAN have dreams and HOPEs, maybe just not the dream of a “_________” (fill in the blank here).
Having worked with the spinal cord injured patients that I did for 5 years, I saw so many patients that had been so very physically active and now just one car wreck or one injury put them into a wheel chair for life, paralized either from the neck down or the waist down. It ended so many dreams for these people, it took away their independence, their sex life, their mobility—their dreams and hopes–but the “successful” ones didn’t continue to dwell on their losses, but to rejoice in their lives AS THEY WERE. The unsuccessful ones became bitter people who lived lives of utter despair who blamed their unhappiness on an accident that happened one day, or the doctors that couldn’t cure their problem, or on something or someone else—when all the time, JOY WAS THERE, waiting to embrace them, if they had only seen it, grasp it and taken hold of it. ACCEPT WHAT IS and find joy in spite of it in the things that we DO have.
I know, I have “preached another sermon” and the finger I point to others is only one, and the ones pointing BACK AT ME are THREE, but thhis sermon is pointed at ME just as much or more so than at anyone on the blog, because I know that I HAVE TO WORK ON KEEPING MY ACCEPTENCE OF WHAT IS, and continually NOT let myself siink into despair that I don’t have what is NOT POSSIBLE, because there is so much that IS POSSIBLE and I want that with all my heart.