Phillip Garrido is technically “a father.” He allegedly kidnapped Jaycee Dugard when she was 11, sexually assaulted her, so that she subsequently gave birth to two children. Some have had difficulty attaching the term “father” to Garrido. One news report I saw said, “He allegedly “sired” two children.” These children (both girls), are reportedly 11 and 14. We do not know if Garrido also sexually assaulted the children.
This week I would like to discuss a difficult subject and ask some difficult questions. Because I am using the case of Phillip Garrido to guide this discussion, we are considering fatherhood. However, I believe the same points can be raised regarding motherhood.
Here are the questions:
At what point is a father not a father? At what point does a child not need both parents? At what point does a father’s treatment of a mother justify the termination of his parental rights? Should criminal behavior be considered in custody/visitation cases? At what point is a father so mentally ill that children should not see him? Should a child’s wish to see his/her father play a role in these decisions?
I’ll say up front that in the extreme case of Phillip Garrido few if any one will argue that a court should have the girls brought to visit him in prison. For most people the question of whether Garrido also sexually assaulted the girls would be a deciding factor. For the sake of this discussion we will assume that the question of sexual assault cannot be proven one way or another and that the girls won’t talk about that. We are going to make that assumption because in the vast majority of cases I know of that is the situation.
At what point is a father not a father?
State laws say that a rapist does not have parental rights. O.K. that makes sense for stranger rapes, but what if the rape occurred within the context of a relationship? What if a woman is raped, feels humiated then decides to continue a relationship with the “attacker” so although a rape occurred on Tuesday she consented on Friday and we don’t know which act resulted in conception.
What if there is coercion within the relationship. The man says, “Unless you take care of me sexually, I’ll divorce you and get custody of __________ (an existing child).” Out of fear the woman consents to sex sort of and gets pregnant again. In this case coercion is psychological as opposed to physical.
Now if you think that coerced sex is rape. What about covert coercion? I mean conning? What about the woman conned into the relationship? In this case her beliefs about the man and the nature of their relationship that caused her to consent were all based on lies. Had she known the truth, she would never have agreed to the relationship or to sex. What then?
At what point does the father’s treatment of the mother justify the termination of his parental rights?
In many cases the family courts have tried to separate the relationships of the family believing that a man’s treatment of his partner has nothing to do with his relationship with his children. It appears that even Phillip Garrido provided for these children in that they were supported financially. He also claims he nurtured and loved them.
If you say that kidnap and rape of the mother justifies termination of parental rights. I can tell you of a case where the woman initially consented to the relationship. The man who is a psychopathic con artist, eventually held her prisoner. She gave birth during that time and is now fighting to have the man’s parental rights terminated. He was arrested and is in prison for assaulting a sibling, the woman’s other child, but he is still “a father”- according to at least one judge.
Does a woman held prisoner have to constantly try to escape in order to “prove” she was not a “willing victim”? The victim in Garrido’s case did not apparently attempt escape. Are we to say she voluntarily lived with Garrido?
At what point is a father so mentally ill that children should not see him?
It is clear that in addition to being sexually deviant, and personality disordered, Garrido is also psychotic (delusional and hallucinating). Should children be protected from parents with psychosis? If so why? People with cluster B personality disorders have difficulty with interpersonal relationships and when the disorder is severe are not capable of placing another person’s welfare above their own. What then?
Should criminal behavior be considered in parental rights cases?
There are many children who are ordered to visit parents in prison. Why are these girls an exception? (Provided that they were not assaulted).
Should a child’s wish to see his/her father play a role in these decisions?
Garrido’s victim’s family members are quoted in the news as saying that the situation has been difficult for the girls since “He was their father.” Children have a natural tendency to seek to be with those who have raised them. Why do we use this tendency against them? Why do we think this is always a good thing? Shouldn’t concerned healthy adults make a decision based on reason, instead of a primitive drive children have?
My answers
We all have to stop denying that the above questions exist, put our heads together and come up with a just system for dealing with these questions. In the United States, I am afraid this should be a Federal Issue. It will be very difficult for us to fight to change the laws in every state separately. To say that a child always needs both parents is clearly absurd, as Garrido’s case shows us. If we look at each aspect of Garrido’s case we see there are some clear guidelines that can be developed to deal with situations where:
One parent harms the other.
One parent terrorizes, coerces and/or imprisons the other.
One parent is a criminal.
One parent is mentally ill.
Although cases where a child has two disordered parents are common (and most tragic), cases where there is one relatively healthy parent should be the focus of change. I assert this because by forcing a parent to deal with a disordered other parent, we condemn that person to suffer during what should be the happiest most productive years of their lives. Let’s face it, 18 years is a long time. Also since the psychiatric disorders are partly genetic, these children need the best, least stressful upbringing the least disordered parent can give them.
Please use the comments section to weigh in on your answers and post your own story with regard to these questions.
Dear Jill, AMEN!!!
Tilly, thanks sweetie! Keep well, you know I am in your corner with my cyber iron skillet ready to bash that witch any time she gives you a hard time! Just visualize an INVISIBLE ME standing there beside you in class! LOL Oh, and wearing my NEW HAT, the one with the huge pheasant feather tail on the back!
Keep your armor on and let her nasty comments slide off you sweetie! I let that darned minister get under my skin when I read his NASTY letter to me, and I should have kept my armor on and let it slide, but I didn’t—I got mad and now I am going through the stress reaction today. It really wasn’t his fault, it was mine for caring what he said!
DID ANYONE WATCH DATELINE LAST NIGHT?
I watched the Dateline show on this monster last night and saw another interview with the sheriff (boss) of the deputy who went to the house 3 years ago and DID NOTHING. He admits that the sheriff’s deputy did nothing, but EXCUSED over and over the Unnamed deputy as being on over time, being this and being that and refuses to name the deputy. I am sure local people or people in the department know the man’s name but the sheriff is protecitng him from public censure. Not sure how I feel about that.
The parole office too—-I DO however know how I feel about them, and I think HEADS SHOULD ROLL.
It was interesting too that IMMEDIATELY according to a customer/friend of Philip’s after the deputy’s visit, “Creepy Phil” started “hearing voices” and saying things like “when my case breaks it will be known world wide.” I think that after the deputy’s visit that Phil started “hearing voices” because he was setting up a “defense of insanity” like that Mafia Don who acted crazy and wore pajamas in public and acted crazy as a defense.
There is also another little giirl missing about that many years, and the other little girl who was with her when she was grabbed in broad day light identified the picture of Phil made about that time —no body was found, or traces of any on the property they live on now, but in my mind and I imagine in the mind of the cops,. he got her too. She is a very much “dead ringer” for the other girl he kept for 18 years.
Phil even wrote a letter saying that Jaycee didn’t have a lawyer and representation….DUH!? LOL Her attorney was interviewed and she seems to have the support and so on that she needs, she and her two children, but gosh, I can’t even imagine how they must feel after all this time.
The whole thing is so bizare that it is beyond belief, but does PROVE again that our “parole system” and our “justice system” and our “polilce protection” system is so flawed that someone CAN “hide in plain sight”
In fact, when I “ran away” and fled my home, I did JUST THAT, hid in PLAIN SIGHT where living in an RV would not be “noticed” at all. If I was running from the law, even, they would have had a difficult time finding me because I WAS living in plain sight, but igcognito.
In dealing with the parole board with the Trojan Horse Psychopath, his parole officer did NOT KNOW HE WAS A SEX OFFENDER—and frankly, I don’t think he cared!
“That’s why I carry a gun, a cop is too heavy,” AND “when seconds count, a cop is only minutes away!” (in my case out here, generally 30-45 minutes)
Oxy,
don’t even get me started on cops….:(
Oxy and Skylar, I didn’t see the dateline show you are referring to, but, as I wrote months ago, the best and brightest are NOT at the top of any office in our country today. All the anti-social personalities stepped on and over decent, hardworking bosses of years gone by, retired them … took over their positions for the last 40 years … and chaos has been ruling supreme ever since. Why do you think our country is going belly up everywhere you turn. They blame it on the high cost of employee insurance cost. Yes, that is a big issue, but not the only issue. The real issue is stopping the sell out attitude in all companies (government and private) USA! Allow the original system to work again. The real system of working at what and where you want to get, step by step do the work, get the education, work until you get experience …. be the top scorer on any exam, have checks and balances back in place and weed out the cronies that hold these positions with their do nothing, take everything attitude that is choking our economy. To start … all state employees salaries should be turned back to $40,000 per year … not top salaries of $80,000 to $100,000 plus because you know so and so that knows so and so governor or senator … or worse, know a clerk that works for said individuals. Send out checks and balances undercover into all offices USA and look past the fronts (aka window dressing of the real person with the real degrees in the token spots) of these offices to see how many thousands of cronies are filling the choice spots in corporate America. They are the sell outs, the anti-social personalities that don’t care about anyone but themselves. You want America to work again, get these democrats to do their homework and get the job done. Enough of this bickering on Capital Hill to give us a show and they still do nothing. Where’s everyone’s backbone that was given to them by being raised by ethical and responsible parents???
Peace.
A documentary aired about this case on UK T.V on Thursday night.
every time I read about this I get so furious about the ‘faliures’ I can hardly bare it.
I hope that lessons are seriously learnt from this.
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Just like in the baby P case here the ‘official bodies’ involved seem more focussed on passing the buck or making excuses for their faliures than owning them and re-evaluating their ‘systems’. It drives me crazy. there can be no reforms without an admission that the system (what ever it) is doesnt work!
I shouted at the telly all the way through, not least because it is so obvious to me that PG was setting up a way he could come across ultimately as the victim, some time before he turned himself in.
The man cant die slow enough in my opinion.
The two female police officers who used their common sense and gut to finally save Jaycee and her children from this monster desrve a medal. (more than that a medal doesnt seem much).
One thing that Jaycee’s step-dad said that I find interesting (and debatable, but I sort of agree) was that he considered the fact that they were both women and ‘mother’s to have been a major factor in their picking up on what was infront of their faces, and he wondered that if PG had been confronted by a male officer they would have picked him up.
I really hope that would not have been the case….
And if so, I hope it never is again.
Jaycee’s kidnapping not only effected her family (her mom and her husband separated and divorced) the neighbors became fearful.
Th emother of the other little girl who was not found is so holding out “hope” and she is so afraid when they were digging that they would find her daughter’s bones, and she doesn’t want to admit that she is probably dead, but fears finding her alive too because of what she would have suffered all those years.
NOT knowing what happened to your kid is the only thing I think that would be worse in my opinion than a) knowing they were dead b) knowing they were being tortured or C) knowing they are psychopathic.
Did anyone read anything about Elizabeth Smart testifying this week?
What a beautiful young lady she is.
She is such an incredibly strong woman to be able to recount, minute by minute…..horrid action by action that was done to her when she was kidnapped from her own bed in Utah.
The creep was deemed not able to stand trial…..so it has taken him this long to ‘get better’……
He claimed it was a religious act…..and ALL because of what Elizabeth Smart testified to …….it was a sexual act…..was why they were able to bring him in NOW to be tried.
She testified he did’nt know God….the main focus was sex up to 4 times a day…..
She testified in depth, she has such courage…..
Fortunately, he started singing mormon hymns when she entered the courtroom and judge told him to shut up….he wouldn’t, so he was removed from the court and taken to a holding cell to view her tesimony from a video.
That was a blessing to her, since he wasn’t right in front of her…..BUT….she went in to court readly and willing to do what she had to do!
Dear ERIN,
That young lady deserves a medal and so does her family!
Relilgious act my butt! The same “religious act” tony alamo had, sex with young girls over and over and over! sheesh! What perverts, and I hope to heck the publicity and the being seen on court TV and all that alerts the other convicts in prison to what his crimes were—-unless they are on TV the other inmates do not know the specific crimes any inmate is in for, so even a baby raper’s crimes aren’t known unless he tells (he isn’t likely to) or he is seen on TV.
Funny thing, my Trojan Horse psychopath BRAGGED about his while he was in our local jail, and also about what he did to our family and one of the inmates in there (a meth head) beat the absolute crap out of him for bragging about what he had done. LOL My P son apparently doesn’t admit what his actual crime was, killing a young girl, but brags that he was some “billy bad ass” and knocked off a drug dealer who had “killed his wife”—-HE NEVER HAD A WIFE! But he wants to be seen as a billy bad ass by the other convicts instead of the cowardly perverted creep that he actually is.
They are all the same when it comes to “excusing” their own crimes—just like Tony Alamo.
It’s too bad ‘we’ can’t blow their cover. What a bunch of spineless whoosies…..
I would think in prison the crimes commited would be ranked and looked upon (on inside) as cool…and the prisoner would earn ranks inside on how ‘cool’ they are….
See what i know….
I say, we start writing to prisoners……(doing counter control manipulative techniques ) providing random prisoners court hearing minutes, outing prisoners like your son…..
Planting the seeds of doubt…..
Then see just how much ‘power’ they have on the inside!
Oh Erin, we sure think alike….!
I’ll even get engaged to a prisoner – but I won’t have sex with him!