By: Linda Hartoonian Almas, M.S. Ed
When dealing with psychopaths, or individuals with psychopathic features, nothing is as it seems to the naked eye. When in relationships with psychopathic individuals, the non-psychopaths bear the brunt of great responsibility, both real and perceived. After all, the “normals” really are left carrying the loads and picking up the pieces when the psychopaths are tired of playing the games that they initiated. However, the blame or burden they attempt to place on us, while accepting none for themselves, is not legitimate and we should not internalize it. Our actions and behaviors have little or nothing to do with the outcomes of their choices, even if they, for a time, have us believing otherwise.
While I generally feel that we are largely responsible for our own lives and have a fair amount of control over our own destinies, there is no question that when we interact closely with psychopaths, these notions may change. Our playing fields are far from level, altering everything we thought we knew about interpersonal communication and human behavior. In short, we are left reeling because we tend to assume that everyone is normal, or at least not psychopathic, and we act accordingly. We continue on this path until we gain an accurate understanding of how psychopaths function. Once we process and accept what we know, we give ourselves a tremendous gift; understanding. While we cannot change them and we come to know that, this understanding allows us to alter our behaviors, thus eliminating their power and control.
Pick and choose
For me, few questions remain about their behaviors or how to react to them. Almost twenty years’ experience—a combination of personal, professional, and academic—have brought me to this place. However, from time to time, I occasionally find myself pondering how they pick and choose which rules to follow.
At first, I felt the answer was obvious. It would seem that, like anything else they do, the answer would lie in the payoff. Perhaps it does. Given their lack of insight and inability to engage in any actual long term planning, it may be that simple. Nonetheless, the topic has caused me to give pause.
I am able to comprehend that they feel that the rules governing the rest of society simply do not apply to them. I am also able to understand that they have only limited regard for consequences. Furthermore, I realize that they tend to think mainly in the short term, and acknowledge that their desire for immediate gratification may override all else. But is there more; is there some form of rhyme or reason to their compliance or lack thereof?
For example, let’s examine financial obligations, since this tends to be a common area of non-compliance and general mismanagement. Let’s take this scenario one step further, and discuss court ordered financial obligations. In spite of the court system attaching a certain level of importance to these obligations, it is not uncommon for psychopathic individuals, or those with such features, to treat these orders as SUGGESTIONS. Why?
As with anything anyone does, there could be a multitude of reasons. However, psychopaths’ motivations may be more sinister than ours. It is clear that they have no problem insulting the integrity of the courts, but it is likely that this goes much further. Below, are some possible reasons.
Possible Reasons for Non-Compliance:
1. They may want those they owe to “suffer.”
2. They may be engaging in “payback” for something they perceive was done to them. Remember, they see themselves as the actual victims much of the time.
3. They may be attempting to stir the drama pot and elicit reactions or engagements, instigate arguments, or create circular, dead-end “back and forths” over their wrongdoing.
4. They may be attempting to bring out “bad behaviors” so that they look “right” or “justified” in their actions.
5. They may be attempting to frustrate, wear down, or harm financially, emotionally, or otherwise.
6. They may be attempting to exercise power and control over the situation.
7. They may be looking for pity, especially if they have a “good” reason (but you know better) as to why they are unable to pay.
8. They may want those they owe to internalize their wrongdoings, and accept blame. For example, “Had I not (fill in the blank,) I would be getting paid.”
9. They may simply be taking risks, with or without regard for any potential consequences. These risks may be calculated, planned, and enjoyable to them, or they may not give them a second thought.
10. They may simply feel that they have better things to spend “their” money on.
This list is, by no means, exhaustive. As I write, I can think of several more possibilities. Additionally, much of this list is not exclusive to financial choices. It could apply to many different sets of rules or norms. The important thing to remember, regardless of their motivations, is this; these choices are theirs, not ours. The rules and structure that govern society have spoken and in spite of what they decide, very real consequences could come their way in situations regarding such non-compliance or compliance on their terms.
So, how or why do they choose to follow some rules and not others? That is not something for which I can offer an absolute answer. This topic comes with many variables. We each probably hold some very solid theories, in addition to the ones I provided.
What I can offer is that I know it is our responsibility to utilize the gifts we gave (or are in the process of giving) ourselves and employ our knowledge. We must pull strength from our understanding and control ourselves, because reasoning with the unreasonable or attempting to work with those who wish to harm us is fruitless. It is a process that takes practice and persistence, but when we do this, we render them powerless regardless of their actions and choices.
Linda Hartoonian Almas has a Master’s Degree in Learning and Behavior. She is former a police officer who had her own run-in with a psychopath. She lectures on domestic violence and is a contributing author of a presentation on psychopathy in the family court system.
I have just recently joined LoveFraud….what an enlightenment this site has been for me. I have been involved with what I think is a “sociopath”/”psychopath”, for 2 1/2 yrs, long distance, perhaps fortunately.. but I am still confused, in dismay and bewildered by it all. I felt when I met him that something was askew,but I didn’t let the red flag wave…..because he was sooo charming, said all the right things, we rendevous through the year and when I am with him and he is with me… well…. it’s a slice of heaven, but then when we are apart…. he makes it clear that we are “single”….even though we Skype frequently. I knew from the git go that he had an unusual amount of sexual energy, but was I complaining? Heck no… I’m older than him… so of course, I am enjoying the experience…. BUT, yep there’s that BUT….. in my heart of hearts I know that it’s just not right… and being the ‘savvy’ person that I have become, I now have discovered that the “Sex’ and using women are what he is all about… oh, yeah, he says he loves me and misses me… always says the right things….. but after reading this blog and also descriptions of the Socio/Psychopath.. “love” is just a word to him…. he was married once, no children and retired and not even 60 yet, so he can do and have whoever/whatever he wants….. It has been very difficult to accept the fact that he doesn’t have a “conscience”…. as I said, I KNEW something was not ‘normal’ about him from the git go….. but here I still am…… letting him use me…. so I tell myself… use him back… so right now… that is what I intend to do… however, I know I’m the ONE who will be torn apart…. in the end…. I’m the one that will have a long time recuperating from this, if I ever do………. I guess I am addicted to him and for the life of me… I’m smarter than this and I cannot figure out why I want to hang on to him.. I know I deserve so much more….. PLEASE anyone who has had a similar experience and I think there are many on here… tell me how you have handled it…… and are you OK now?? thank you very much.
There’s no point in USING him, savvy. It’s your addiction to him telling you that, but it will just let you become more addicted and bonded to him, and your self esteem will go totally down the drain over it. There is only one way: break all contact, go drama free, and spend your time with people who can have actual feelings.
I was in a majorly long distance relationship for close to 2 years. It’s been a year ago almost (end of April) that he ditched me for an OW and I learned the ugly truth about him fully, and comprehended he was a spath. And I didn’t ever regret he was out of my life. Actually, the past few months I’ve felt more content and happy than I ever really felt in the two years with him, because the happiness comes from inside of me for no obvious outside reason really for observers to pinpoint. But I am. In contrast, with him my happiness depended too much on him, and one moment I thought I was happy and everything would ok from then on, and the next I was bawling my eyes out or lighting cigarette one after the other in frustration and anger, hating him and hating myself for not being able to leave.
Savvy,
there is a very good chance that he is a sex addict and you will contract a VD from him. Hopefully it won’t be HIV.
Do not use a person who can hurt you that way.
Furthermore, as Darwinsmom said, you are addicted to him. All spaths are addicting because they create drama to get reactions from us. These highs, followed by lows and another high, create a craving for your own adrenalin. It is one of the most unhealthy aspects (after VD’s) of being with a spath. It destroys the immune system.
There is another problem too. For some reason spaths need to destroy people they are with. To accomplish this, they will slander you and ruin your reputation. All of this is done through sabotage and behind your back. You will have no awareness of it until it’s too late.
Speaking of sabotage, mine poisoned me with small amounts of poison for 2 decades. He did this for fun and because he wanted control. I became completely dependent on him because I was so sick.
My point in telling you all these things is that THEY HAVE NO LIMITS. RUN. Don’t even look back. You don’t need this in your life.
Savvy~ I wholeheartedly agree 100% with everything Darwinsmom and Skylar said. You cannot get better advice.
You ARE addicted, you WILL get much worse if you stay any longer (joke is on you if you think you can use a spath), and you MUST start no contact immediately. Gray rock him, which as Darwinsmom said, means drama-free. Get rid of all forms of contact. I personally advice changing phone numbers and email addresses, do not text or look at his facebook if he has one- I mean completely drop him like he does not exist. No contact is the very mort important step to take for yourself.
It might take a year or more but once you establish no contact time will heal you, lovefraud will heal you, reading about their disorder will help you, and surrounding yourself with true blue people only will get you there faster.
I ain’t gonna lie, it SUCKS getting free from a psychopath. You will hurt, get sick, angry, depressed, and you will want to go back to him but stay the course because if you don’t you will never recover. It’s worth the pain of leaving and staying no contact to be free from the oppressive bond to a dangerously disordered life-sucking, soul-eating, scum-sucking, cheating, lying, self absorbed puke bag.
Savvy;
I am a gay male who became involved with a gay male who happened to be a sociopathic flight attendant. Regarding infidelity and the party lifestyle, there is no bigger red flag than “gay flight attendant” but his charm and lies were so good I ignored my gut feelings.
Good point-always and I mean ALWAYS go with your gut feeling!
Saavy,
I always have liked that word.
A favorite quote is from Charles M Russell an artist of the old west…
“I ain’t no historian but I happen to savvy this incident.”
Getting free is worth it.
Suffering with a toxic partner is not.
Your life won’t be magically easy either way, but there is a good chance it will last longer.
And there is a better chance you will find real happiness.
Because you’ll have to work through some healing for yourself.
Its not a bad thing.
Actually, its a very good thing.
Saavy, if its a cluster B personality, you can’t fix it. It can’t love you and there is no remorse for the harm that has been and will be done to you.
You can of course wait until the pain of staying is so overwhelming it nearly destroys you, but why?
You got this far.
You Saavy. And you should trust what you know to be true more than the comfort of staying in the situation you think you know how to cope with.
One day, and I’d take this bet, you’ll thank the guardian angel that provoked you to ask the question….
Saavy?
Hi Savvy,
I have to agree with all the comments made!!! I once thought I could help my spath husband, then when I realised I couldnt, thought then I could take advantage of his (finally) earning a good income, didnt his children & I deserve this, since we had put up with him for over 15 years??? Well, the joke truly was on me!!! The subtle intimidations which left me with no self esteem at all, my chilren (which were also his) shattered. And did we benefit from the extra income?? NO WAY!!! He made sure of that! He would spend any extra money on himself, and if ever I did manage to put some aside for an outing or new clothes etc he would not go to work or quit so that whatever we had set aside had to go on rent, bills etc. He played the game so well! Then he actually kicked me out and tried to stop me leaving with our children, yeah like I would leave them for him to continue to destroy! So I had to flee with 4 children and no money except for travel costs to get back to friends and family. And now he is defaming me, but you know what, now I can see that we can never win with a sociopath. They may allow to us think we are winning but we never do. How can we?? We have a conscience and feelings and the truth is they do not.
I have been away now for over 6 months and have had nc with him. This is the only way to get to him. And I still have to remember that I am not winning, he is merely allowing me to believe that he is leaving me alone, so my gaurd goes down. But I feel better than I ever had in 15 years, seriously, even though there were times where I thought that life could not be better, but as other comments have made clear, they give you something, (hope?) so they can take it away again!!! This no longer happens to me! Yes I do sometimes feel that I miss him, but now I realise I was addicted to him in some way. Remember too, that they also like to get you to do something you would not usually do, just so they have something on you. You need to be aware of that because you do have morals and a conscience whereas they do not! They use this guilt on you. ANd you feel that you need to stay, but RUN and dont look back! They are the scum not you. Things only get better and better. This is the only way you can open up another door to a new relationship and a normal person sharing your life.
I hope this helps you, I am only reasonably new to LF but I find this site helps me alot! Especially when I start to think maybe he is not so bad, then I read these posts and realise HE IS WORSE! All these stories on here could be mine! I know everyone says that but it is true!!!!! Get out while you still can and have your self esteem intact.
Savvy,
Also trying to use him yourself would implicate that you act morally different than what your true values are. And in the long run it will just make you feel dirty. And it’s one of the things spaths like: people demeaning and betraying their own values over him. So, even if you’d think you are having one on to him, he’ll feel he won the game by making you betray your values.
Edited to add: missymooz, we seem to have crossposted and wanted to say the same thing about “betraying your own morals” 🙂
Missy,
TOWANDA for you! You are doing great!
Savvy, I’m sorry that you’re having these experiences. The responses from BBE, Skylar, Darwinsmom, Missymooz, Woundlicker/Spathkicker, ET AL……they’re spot-on.
I was married to such a predator: substantially younger, no previous marriage and no children, high sexual energy (at first), etc., et., and so on. Today, I’m in quite a pickle because I trusted and loved the masks that it presented. I learned that a 14 year relationship and marriage had been a complete hoax and that the exspath had not only lived a deviant double life, but that he defrauded me of tens of thousands of my own dollars. And, this relationship began as a LONG-DISTANCE thing, as well.
Today, I’m in the throes of recovering, and it’s not easy. But, I will say that the folks here on this site, my counseling therapist, and close friends and family have been right there to catch me when I stumble. I’m going to get through this, and you will too, Savvy.
And, Savvy, be prepared for the “second-guessing” one’s self. You’ll likely go back and forth in an attempt to process your experiences and reconcile them with someone that you believed that you loved. It’s normal in this ugly process. NO CONTACT is the only cure for that, and it takes a good while to self-enforce that, too.
Hugs and brightest blessings to you. And, you WILL be okay in due time.