By: Linda Hartoonian Almas, M.S. Ed
When dealing with psychopaths, or individuals with psychopathic features, nothing is as it seems to the naked eye. When in relationships with psychopathic individuals, the non-psychopaths bear the brunt of great responsibility, both real and perceived. After all, the “normals” really are left carrying the loads and picking up the pieces when the psychopaths are tired of playing the games that they initiated. However, the blame or burden they attempt to place on us, while accepting none for themselves, is not legitimate and we should not internalize it. Our actions and behaviors have little or nothing to do with the outcomes of their choices, even if they, for a time, have us believing otherwise.
While I generally feel that we are largely responsible for our own lives and have a fair amount of control over our own destinies, there is no question that when we interact closely with psychopaths, these notions may change. Our playing fields are far from level, altering everything we thought we knew about interpersonal communication and human behavior. In short, we are left reeling because we tend to assume that everyone is normal, or at least not psychopathic, and we act accordingly. We continue on this path until we gain an accurate understanding of how psychopaths function. Once we process and accept what we know, we give ourselves a tremendous gift; understanding. While we cannot change them and we come to know that, this understanding allows us to alter our behaviors, thus eliminating their power and control.
Pick and choose
For me, few questions remain about their behaviors or how to react to them. Almost twenty years’ experience—a combination of personal, professional, and academic—have brought me to this place. However, from time to time, I occasionally find myself pondering how they pick and choose which rules to follow.
At first, I felt the answer was obvious. It would seem that, like anything else they do, the answer would lie in the payoff. Perhaps it does. Given their lack of insight and inability to engage in any actual long term planning, it may be that simple. Nonetheless, the topic has caused me to give pause.
I am able to comprehend that they feel that the rules governing the rest of society simply do not apply to them. I am also able to understand that they have only limited regard for consequences. Furthermore, I realize that they tend to think mainly in the short term, and acknowledge that their desire for immediate gratification may override all else. But is there more; is there some form of rhyme or reason to their compliance or lack thereof?
For example, let’s examine financial obligations, since this tends to be a common area of non-compliance and general mismanagement. Let’s take this scenario one step further, and discuss court ordered financial obligations. In spite of the court system attaching a certain level of importance to these obligations, it is not uncommon for psychopathic individuals, or those with such features, to treat these orders as SUGGESTIONS. Why?
As with anything anyone does, there could be a multitude of reasons. However, psychopaths’ motivations may be more sinister than ours. It is clear that they have no problem insulting the integrity of the courts, but it is likely that this goes much further. Below, are some possible reasons.
Possible Reasons for Non-Compliance:
1. They may want those they owe to “suffer.”
2. They may be engaging in “payback” for something they perceive was done to them. Remember, they see themselves as the actual victims much of the time.
3. They may be attempting to stir the drama pot and elicit reactions or engagements, instigate arguments, or create circular, dead-end “back and forths” over their wrongdoing.
4. They may be attempting to bring out “bad behaviors” so that they look “right” or “justified” in their actions.
5. They may be attempting to frustrate, wear down, or harm financially, emotionally, or otherwise.
6. They may be attempting to exercise power and control over the situation.
7. They may be looking for pity, especially if they have a “good” reason (but you know better) as to why they are unable to pay.
8. They may want those they owe to internalize their wrongdoings, and accept blame. For example, “Had I not (fill in the blank,) I would be getting paid.”
9. They may simply be taking risks, with or without regard for any potential consequences. These risks may be calculated, planned, and enjoyable to them, or they may not give them a second thought.
10. They may simply feel that they have better things to spend “their” money on.
This list is, by no means, exhaustive. As I write, I can think of several more possibilities. Additionally, much of this list is not exclusive to financial choices. It could apply to many different sets of rules or norms. The important thing to remember, regardless of their motivations, is this; these choices are theirs, not ours. The rules and structure that govern society have spoken and in spite of what they decide, very real consequences could come their way in situations regarding such non-compliance or compliance on their terms.
So, how or why do they choose to follow some rules and not others? That is not something for which I can offer an absolute answer. This topic comes with many variables. We each probably hold some very solid theories, in addition to the ones I provided.
What I can offer is that I know it is our responsibility to utilize the gifts we gave (or are in the process of giving) ourselves and employ our knowledge. We must pull strength from our understanding and control ourselves, because reasoning with the unreasonable or attempting to work with those who wish to harm us is fruitless. It is a process that takes practice and persistence, but when we do this, we render them powerless regardless of their actions and choices.
Linda Hartoonian Almas has a Master’s Degree in Learning and Behavior. She is former a police officer who had her own run-in with a psychopath. She lectures on domestic violence and is a contributing author of a presentation on psychopathy in the family court system.
Aesop,
hey you can fix your name by logging into your account and changing it to Aesop.
I wonder if your spath was only faking being bad at those games. They do pretend to be clueless in order to get away with murder. Who would suspect “poor little ol’ me” of murder?
Your spath moved fast to make you responsible for her, all in the name of love. They look for that, you know: responsibility.
The twist is that they could easily keep us responsible for EVER and EVER, but that isn’t all they want. They want to sabotage us for BEING responsible. They envy our ability to be responsible and they are determined to sabotage that. They hate anyone who is good, responsible, loving, empathetic and they are determined to take those qualities away. I hate to admit it but it does work, in a way. We end up being angry, mistrusting, disconnected, and once they take our resources we fail in our own ability to be responsible. The slime connects and we are contaminated.
Getting uncontaminated is difficult. I’m not sure we can ever feel completely clean.
Thank you all for welcoming me and for your wonderful comments and posts! I am so excited to be here. I have much admiration for everyone’s strength and resolve. Picking up the pieces can be challenging and heart wrenching, but on the flipside, so worthwhile.
Several of you have begun discussing compliance and why they do comply. I must agree with the opinions presented thus far. Psychopaths’ compliance has to do with what’s in it for them.
I also believe it is about impression management. Doing the “right thing,” or behaving appropriately helps them look like the person they hope to be seen as. Eventually, their behaviors change when they no longer care about how they are perceived, when they can get nothing more from a given situation, or when it becomes too much work.
As for longer term good behavior or the “long con,” I agree that this can occur. I still feel that their ability to maintain their acts depends very much on what they are getting out of their performances. If we relate this to certain career choices, I think power and control can be solid motivators. Yet, I have noticed that there are still indicators showing their lack of commitment and insincerity, even as they go through the motions. Unfortunately, until we become seasoned at picking up on the indicators, we may be unclear about how to read them. Psychopaths bank on this. Luckily, we can and do learn to recognize what they do.
Thank you all again for your warm welcome! I am glad you found this helpful and that it sparked a good discussion. I look forward to writing more in the future!
Linda
LHA–that is the thing I LOVE about this blog is that there are so many smart and articulate people here. even when we disagree, we do it in such a way that everyone’s opinions are respected. I learn something new every day! Glad to have you aboard! Hope to see more articles as well! Also hope you will jump into the discussions in addition to the articles. We have some lively ones!
I think the things that motivate “them” aren’t always apparent to bystanders or even victims while it is happening. The “duping delight” is sometimes apparent when they violate the “rules” and “get by” with it….other times not so much is obvious. (at least to me) LOL
My ex-spath exhibits every single trait on every list I’ve ever seen of psychopathic traits, except one–he is a good father to his 3 kids (although not very nice to his ex-wife).
In fact, not only does he pay his child support, but he also buys whatever he can for his kids above and beyond what he gives their mother each month, to the best of his ability (he’s a plumber and not wealthy). He takes them clothes shopping, pays for their cell phones, etc. Every article I’ve read about spaths, including this one, implies they only care about their kids when there is something in it for themselves, but I was with him for 6 years and never saw an ulterior motive for that.
And his kids are pretty well-adjusted, especially his 20-year old son who lived with my ex-spath from the time he was 12 (and I was there most of that time as well), while the girls lived with their mother. Now his 17-year old daughter is living with him (her choice) and he does everything for her.
Because of this, I often slide back into wondering if he REALLY IS a spath, which is a slippery slope which has led me to abandon NC many times and return to him, all because of this one niggling doubt.
He is a pathological liar, a sex addict, always juggles multiple women while swearing he’s faithful, plays the women against each other, obviously for sport, is easily bored, hates being alone, is impulsive and has multiple addictions, is so narcissistic we always celebrated his “birthday week” (which begins tomorrow!) while he always forgot my one birthday day every year. He is glib and charming, love bombed me then began the devaluation with emotional and verbal abuse, etc., which continued until I finally figured out what he is and left. Every single thing I’ve ever read about psychopaths he does in spades, EXCEPT he’s a good father.
Can anyone explain this seeming contradiction? I’m afraid that, unless I can wrap my head around it, I’ll end up back with him next time he comes around, just because I still have that small seed of doubt that maybe he’s not spath. Does that make sense to anyone?
abbri,
So, no one is PERFECT! So he treats his kids well….I know psychopaths that are bonkers about their dogs and treat them like little gods. Other psychopaths like Michael Vick dog fight them to the death.
He treats YOU like shiat –so what does how he treats his kids make any difference to you?
He owns the kids, sees them as EXTENSIONS of himself so he treats them the way he wants to be treated, but that does NOT mean he is good, kind or not a psychopath.
You will go back if you want to…they are an addiction, so ONLY if YOU make up your mind to stay NC will you. If you are looking for an excuse to go back because he “might not be a psychopath” then you can always find one.
The bottom line it doesn’t matter if he is a psychopath or a pork chop, if he is toxic to you, he is toxic. Read here and keep on learning. NC is the only healthy way to deal with them. God bless.
Thanks Ox Drover–No, I have no desire to go back. He showed up here about a month ago and I sent him away, which I NEVER would have done in the past. I can feel myself recovering day by day, but I tend to doubt myself a lot (one of the reasons he probably targeted me), so sometimes I just think I’m wrong, although mostly I know I’m not, at least in relation to him.
I have a therapist who has extra training in psychopathy (and her brother is one), so I’m very fortunate for her and also for this blog, without which I’d still be with him living in hell.
And upon further reflection, I think he is less a good father than that he appears to really love his kids. What kind of a father tells his kids to lie to me whenever one of his ex- or new girlfriends came over when I wasn’t there? Or badmouths their mother to them. Or verbally abuses me within their earshot? And what is he teaching his daughters by bringing in a parade of different women into the house every time he is single?
I guess he sucks at being a father, but I still believe he actually loves them. So if he can love THEM, maybe he can love someone else? Not me I guess, but maybe his current girlfriend? That’s what keeps me up at night sometimes, but less and less as time goes on, thanks to all of you.
But I also see that, yes, he probably sees them as extensions of himself and he DEFINITELY loves himself, so I guess that explains it!
Thanks for letting me ramble, but doing so really did solve this quandary for me!
Abbri,
treating his kids well is PART OF HIS MASK.
You said it yourself quote:
LOTS of psychopaths use a kitty or a puppy or a child as a LURE. Often times, they use another woman or her picture to make themselves look “human”. Those pets and people are his arm candy that he uses to lure other humans into his trap. People assume that he must be a normal human being or else that lovely woman or those great kids wouldn’t be around him.
My spath used cats. He made sure everyone knew how much he loved cats. He had his picture taken with my cats, he carried pictures of our cats in his wallet, later he put it on the desktop of his laptop which he carried around and brought into restaurants so it appeared he was working. He was the BEST cat father in the world.
Little did I know that he killed two of my cats just to see me in pain.
Abbri, when you see two opposing behaviors, the good and the bad, you have to KNOW that one of them is fake. Good people don’t pretend to be bad, but bad people do pretend to be good.
Skylar, I’m so sorry about your cats, that is just horrible! What an evil monster.
I lived with he and his son for most of our 6 years together, and his daughters visited most weekends and school vacations, and his seeming devotion to them never flagged, even when the rest of his mask came off and he started treating me like dirt, so I don’t know.
So I don’t think he’s putting on a show, but I do now believe it’s more that he DOES “love” them because they are mini versions of himself, and he sure as hell loves himself (he never passes a mirror without checking himself out! lol).
skylar:
Thank you so much for this post! It made me sigh in relief!
LHA:
Thank you for that insightful post at 6:16PM!