By: Linda Hartoonian Almas, M.S. Ed
When dealing with psychopaths, or individuals with psychopathic features, nothing is as it seems to the naked eye. When in relationships with psychopathic individuals, the non-psychopaths bear the brunt of great responsibility, both real and perceived. After all, the “normals” really are left carrying the loads and picking up the pieces when the psychopaths are tired of playing the games that they initiated. However, the blame or burden they attempt to place on us, while accepting none for themselves, is not legitimate and we should not internalize it. Our actions and behaviors have little or nothing to do with the outcomes of their choices, even if they, for a time, have us believing otherwise.
While I generally feel that we are largely responsible for our own lives and have a fair amount of control over our own destinies, there is no question that when we interact closely with psychopaths, these notions may change. Our playing fields are far from level, altering everything we thought we knew about interpersonal communication and human behavior. In short, we are left reeling because we tend to assume that everyone is normal, or at least not psychopathic, and we act accordingly. We continue on this path until we gain an accurate understanding of how psychopaths function. Once we process and accept what we know, we give ourselves a tremendous gift; understanding. While we cannot change them and we come to know that, this understanding allows us to alter our behaviors, thus eliminating their power and control.
Pick and choose
For me, few questions remain about their behaviors or how to react to them. Almost twenty years’ experience—a combination of personal, professional, and academic—have brought me to this place. However, from time to time, I occasionally find myself pondering how they pick and choose which rules to follow.
At first, I felt the answer was obvious. It would seem that, like anything else they do, the answer would lie in the payoff. Perhaps it does. Given their lack of insight and inability to engage in any actual long term planning, it may be that simple. Nonetheless, the topic has caused me to give pause.
I am able to comprehend that they feel that the rules governing the rest of society simply do not apply to them. I am also able to understand that they have only limited regard for consequences. Furthermore, I realize that they tend to think mainly in the short term, and acknowledge that their desire for immediate gratification may override all else. But is there more; is there some form of rhyme or reason to their compliance or lack thereof?
For example, let’s examine financial obligations, since this tends to be a common area of non-compliance and general mismanagement. Let’s take this scenario one step further, and discuss court ordered financial obligations. In spite of the court system attaching a certain level of importance to these obligations, it is not uncommon for psychopathic individuals, or those with such features, to treat these orders as SUGGESTIONS. Why?
As with anything anyone does, there could be a multitude of reasons. However, psychopaths’ motivations may be more sinister than ours. It is clear that they have no problem insulting the integrity of the courts, but it is likely that this goes much further. Below, are some possible reasons.
Possible Reasons for Non-Compliance:
1. They may want those they owe to “suffer.”
2. They may be engaging in “payback” for something they perceive was done to them. Remember, they see themselves as the actual victims much of the time.
3. They may be attempting to stir the drama pot and elicit reactions or engagements, instigate arguments, or create circular, dead-end “back and forths” over their wrongdoing.
4. They may be attempting to bring out “bad behaviors” so that they look “right” or “justified” in their actions.
5. They may be attempting to frustrate, wear down, or harm financially, emotionally, or otherwise.
6. They may be attempting to exercise power and control over the situation.
7. They may be looking for pity, especially if they have a “good” reason (but you know better) as to why they are unable to pay.
8. They may want those they owe to internalize their wrongdoings, and accept blame. For example, “Had I not (fill in the blank,) I would be getting paid.”
9. They may simply be taking risks, with or without regard for any potential consequences. These risks may be calculated, planned, and enjoyable to them, or they may not give them a second thought.
10. They may simply feel that they have better things to spend “their” money on.
This list is, by no means, exhaustive. As I write, I can think of several more possibilities. Additionally, much of this list is not exclusive to financial choices. It could apply to many different sets of rules or norms. The important thing to remember, regardless of their motivations, is this; these choices are theirs, not ours. The rules and structure that govern society have spoken and in spite of what they decide, very real consequences could come their way in situations regarding such non-compliance or compliance on their terms.
So, how or why do they choose to follow some rules and not others? That is not something for which I can offer an absolute answer. This topic comes with many variables. We each probably hold some very solid theories, in addition to the ones I provided.
What I can offer is that I know it is our responsibility to utilize the gifts we gave (or are in the process of giving) ourselves and employ our knowledge. We must pull strength from our understanding and control ourselves, because reasoning with the unreasonable or attempting to work with those who wish to harm us is fruitless. It is a process that takes practice and persistence, but when we do this, we render them powerless regardless of their actions and choices.
Linda Hartoonian Almas has a Master’s Degree in Learning and Behavior. She is former a police officer who had her own run-in with a psychopath. She lectures on domestic violence and is a contributing author of a presentation on psychopathy in the family court system.
ABBRI
“What is LOVE?” You are right when you think bout it as you did in your post…he does not model good behavior and good morals for his daughters or his son if he has one.
Part of being a “good parent” is modeling good behavior, not encouraging LIES. What “good” father teaches his kids to LIE? Not any I know. What “good father” shows his children that he is a TRAMP?
So don’t get all musky about this guy being father of the year, I will guarantee you he is not. No matter what he buys them or how many baseball games he goes to, it doesn’t make him a good parent. So rest easy, Girlfriend, he is not capable of loving anyone except himself, and then only narcissistically.
Louise, You’re welcome. Here’s some more relief for you!
Abbri,
I was with my spath for 25 years and never had a clue. His devotion to the cats was unsurpassed. When Jasper got very sick, spath stayed up all night giving him little bits of water so he wouldn’t get dehydrated. He did the same thing for Spot once. I was dying of exhaustion and worry and I fell asleep. But spath kept vigil for over 24 hours. He did all the hard work of caring for them when they were sick because it made him look like a hero.
Of course I cleaned the litter box. Spath said, “I would never, ever be caught dead cleaning a litter box.” true.
So when I left him and he said, “how COULD you take my family away from me? Why couldn’t you leave me at least one or two of them? Don’t you KNOW how much they mean to meeeeee?”
I replied, “Because spath, you said you would never be caught dead cleaning a litter box. You can’t take care of them. They need the litter box cleaned.”
LOL. Spath never could figure out what to say to me when I threw his own spears back into his face.
Anyway, I went off on a tangent. I didn’t want to ADMIT that he had killed the cats until I understood that he was a spath. Then I couldn’t deny it. All the spath clues were there.
Abbri, you wouldn’t believe how many women here have the idea in their heads that the spath is treating the “new girl” better than he treated her. Spaths like to seed these insecurities and jealousies in our heads. If he can treat her so good, then there must be something wrong with me, right? WROOOOOOOONG! it’s an act to make you feel exactly that way.
All spaths are alike, none of them care about any one. We are all supply to them, even when they treat us well, they have an ulterior motive.
My x-spath definitely played “friend in need” game. One of his friends was in the hospital and he would visit him then tell me how it “broke his heart” to see his friend in such a bad state (due to a suicide attempt).
On what became the defining moment of our relationship, he insisted I go to the hospital when a rash I had erupted all over, fearing anaphylactic shock due to anti-biotics, which actually turned out to be a bad case of shingles.
He spent the night in the hospital with me and most of the following day. He went with me to the drugstore to get my medicines, made sure I had enough to eat and saw me home.
The next day, he dumped me by email.
BBE:
UGGHHHHHH!
skylar:
Thank you for more relief!
Louise;
Classic sociopath, even if he is not HIV positive.
Hi Linda,
Great article. I totally agree with this:
“Psychopaths’ compliance has to do with what’s in it for them.”
Long con, short con, this is their motivation.
LookingForTruth,
I love what your wrote about self-esteem and feeling good about ourselves. Very perceptive and true. Best of luck and blessings with your ‘get away’ plan.
“He complies when he can use compliance as part of his mask.
Period.”
I completely agree, skylar.
“It might seem that the spath’s goal was freedom to do what he wants, but in fact his goal was freedom to torture those who care about him.”
Ugh. I think you’re correct here, too. They.Are.So.Sick.and.Twisted!! It boggles my mind. Think of the sickest, most twisted reason for doing something and then we’ll understand them.
(((skylar))) I’m so sorry what you endured with your brother. Yes, you were well trained to save & serve an spath.
“They just want to see the empathy on your face. They want to see someone trying to rescue them and making themselves responsible for them.”
I agree. It makes me sick.
“They want to sabatoge us for BEING responsible. They envy our ability to be responsible and they are determined to sabotage that.”
Another great insight. I can feel the venom of their envy.
“They hate anyone who is good, responsible, loving, empathetic and they are determined to take those qualities away. I hate to admit it but it does work, in a way. We end up being angry, mistrusting, disconnected, and once they take our resources we fail in our own ability to be responsible.”
Wow, so true. Yup, even if we escape, they leave us scarred but definitely wiser.
I seem to be a bit behind everyone, time wise :). There seems to be a marked lack of knowledge in the uk. I don’t really understand this as it must be as prevalent.
I wanted to mention that my ex also appeared to love cats. However, the cats were NOT well-adjusted – one of them kept trying to bite through the electricity wires, and one of the first things I did was buy tubing to cover these wires. He had already given himself one shock, and blew up a lamp while I was there. She also had trained him to do this really weird upside down manoevre, which was really undignified. Cats, in my experience, are keen to hold onto their dignity! The other, bless him, was just a wee mite. Her first chat up line was ‘wanna come and smell my kittens belly’? I miss him, because he was my kitten too. She asked me to care for him for a while when I finally got her to move out, but I knew she would love wrenching us apart too much. They were house cats, just as all her plants were planted in pots so their roots couldn’t roam free. Can’t lose control now!
Skylar, I can’t seem to change my name but thanks. It says it is set in stone :).
looking for your take on this dear lovefraud posters: I was visiting an old friend in another city. she is with a fellow who she has been with for 4 years. I knew her when she was married to someone who fit her like a glove (now, very sadly, deceased). She met this guy a couple of years after her husband’s suicide.
I was with my friend and her bf for 2 days. My friend started coughing at a dinner party. i thought she might be having an allergic response to something in one of the dishes. she’s been having increasing allergy problems. I mentioned my concern to her bf in the kitchen (we had been talking about allergies a lot). His response to me was: ‘she’s fine, she wants to be the centre of attention.’ My response was, ‘oh, really.’ his response was: ‘I have known her long enough to know that’s what it is.’
f*****ck.
whoa, holy triangulation batman! got a real sense that he wanted to see what he could ‘get away with’ with me. later, I thought i should have said, ‘jealous much?’
i saw other controlling behaviour cloaked in the wrapping of, ‘i am a new age sensitive guy’. this guy squicked me out, all the more so as she is looking at being less devoted to her very satisfying work to make more space for him – as a fair and right thing to do for one’s partner. i doubt the integrity of this man, and his claim to the title of partner.
okay, so I have been mulling this over in my head, and thinking about the pros and cons of telling her. I know it would hurt her to hear this, and i did have one chance to speak with her and didn’t…the thought of being the bearer of that news and how fucking hurtful it would hurt my heart. would she believe me? would it hurt our friendship beyond it’s strength at this point – we are just reconnecting after many many years, and the relationship could be much closer than before.
I hesitate also, as i watched her handle his other controlling stuff in a pretty even way – she didn’t lay down and she didn’t lose it – she is pretty dogged though, and it showed in the way she handled his behaviour. It looked like this could just be a couple trying to work things out….
‘cept this remark in which he tried to gain an ally AGAINST her.
I don’t think he likes women much, in a real genuine way. i hate to say this, ’cause it sounds cliche, but he had real issues with his mom. she is gone now, but within the last 2 years. it sounds like he was her emo caretaker for his lifetime, and has a ton of baggage with her name on it.
they will probably come visit this summer, and the thought of this guy in my house makes me want to puke. what he said/ did is against my ethics. it’s not acceptable.
i am bringing this here, because YOU ALL know about the tell/ don’t tell dynamic, and how the shit tends to land on US.
Do you have ideas, directions, questions or feedback that could help clarify this situation further?
Thanks all!
best,
one joy
The messenger always gets shot. All you can do is hang in there and be a friend to her. Be there when it all goes horribly wrong. Make it clear to him you are her friend, that she has good friends. Difficult, because if he thinks you aren’t on his side, he will try and undermine you, get you out of the picture. A subtle comment here, another there. Watch him turn her against you!
Maybe staying neutral with him, so you are playing his game effectively, and staying in the picture for when she needs you?
I don’t know, just some thoughts. Goodluck!