By: Linda Hartoonian Almas, M.S. Ed
When dealing with psychopaths, or individuals with psychopathic features, nothing is as it seems to the naked eye. When in relationships with psychopathic individuals, the non-psychopaths bear the brunt of great responsibility, both real and perceived. After all, the “normals” really are left carrying the loads and picking up the pieces when the psychopaths are tired of playing the games that they initiated. However, the blame or burden they attempt to place on us, while accepting none for themselves, is not legitimate and we should not internalize it. Our actions and behaviors have little or nothing to do with the outcomes of their choices, even if they, for a time, have us believing otherwise.
While I generally feel that we are largely responsible for our own lives and have a fair amount of control over our own destinies, there is no question that when we interact closely with psychopaths, these notions may change. Our playing fields are far from level, altering everything we thought we knew about interpersonal communication and human behavior. In short, we are left reeling because we tend to assume that everyone is normal, or at least not psychopathic, and we act accordingly. We continue on this path until we gain an accurate understanding of how psychopaths function. Once we process and accept what we know, we give ourselves a tremendous gift; understanding. While we cannot change them and we come to know that, this understanding allows us to alter our behaviors, thus eliminating their power and control.
Pick and choose
For me, few questions remain about their behaviors or how to react to them. Almost twenty years’ experience—a combination of personal, professional, and academic—have brought me to this place. However, from time to time, I occasionally find myself pondering how they pick and choose which rules to follow.
At first, I felt the answer was obvious. It would seem that, like anything else they do, the answer would lie in the payoff. Perhaps it does. Given their lack of insight and inability to engage in any actual long term planning, it may be that simple. Nonetheless, the topic has caused me to give pause.
I am able to comprehend that they feel that the rules governing the rest of society simply do not apply to them. I am also able to understand that they have only limited regard for consequences. Furthermore, I realize that they tend to think mainly in the short term, and acknowledge that their desire for immediate gratification may override all else. But is there more; is there some form of rhyme or reason to their compliance or lack thereof?
For example, let’s examine financial obligations, since this tends to be a common area of non-compliance and general mismanagement. Let’s take this scenario one step further, and discuss court ordered financial obligations. In spite of the court system attaching a certain level of importance to these obligations, it is not uncommon for psychopathic individuals, or those with such features, to treat these orders as SUGGESTIONS. Why?
As with anything anyone does, there could be a multitude of reasons. However, psychopaths’ motivations may be more sinister than ours. It is clear that they have no problem insulting the integrity of the courts, but it is likely that this goes much further. Below, are some possible reasons.
Possible Reasons for Non-Compliance:
1. They may want those they owe to “suffer.”
2. They may be engaging in “payback” for something they perceive was done to them. Remember, they see themselves as the actual victims much of the time.
3. They may be attempting to stir the drama pot and elicit reactions or engagements, instigate arguments, or create circular, dead-end “back and forths” over their wrongdoing.
4. They may be attempting to bring out “bad behaviors” so that they look “right” or “justified” in their actions.
5. They may be attempting to frustrate, wear down, or harm financially, emotionally, or otherwise.
6. They may be attempting to exercise power and control over the situation.
7. They may be looking for pity, especially if they have a “good” reason (but you know better) as to why they are unable to pay.
8. They may want those they owe to internalize their wrongdoings, and accept blame. For example, “Had I not (fill in the blank,) I would be getting paid.”
9. They may simply be taking risks, with or without regard for any potential consequences. These risks may be calculated, planned, and enjoyable to them, or they may not give them a second thought.
10. They may simply feel that they have better things to spend “their” money on.
This list is, by no means, exhaustive. As I write, I can think of several more possibilities. Additionally, much of this list is not exclusive to financial choices. It could apply to many different sets of rules or norms. The important thing to remember, regardless of their motivations, is this; these choices are theirs, not ours. The rules and structure that govern society have spoken and in spite of what they decide, very real consequences could come their way in situations regarding such non-compliance or compliance on their terms.
So, how or why do they choose to follow some rules and not others? That is not something for which I can offer an absolute answer. This topic comes with many variables. We each probably hold some very solid theories, in addition to the ones I provided.
What I can offer is that I know it is our responsibility to utilize the gifts we gave (or are in the process of giving) ourselves and employ our knowledge. We must pull strength from our understanding and control ourselves, because reasoning with the unreasonable or attempting to work with those who wish to harm us is fruitless. It is a process that takes practice and persistence, but when we do this, we render them powerless regardless of their actions and choices.
Linda Hartoonian Almas has a Master’s Degree in Learning and Behavior. She is former a police officer who had her own run-in with a psychopath. She lectures on domestic violence and is a contributing author of a presentation on psychopathy in the family court system.
First, for the newcomers, let me add another “compliance” example, that being his words from the email in which he dumped me. When I opened the email. the first paragraph was long and densely typed, making it difficult to read, so my eyes were drawn to the second paragraph, where he described all the things he would do for me while I was sick, such as bring me food, stop by for a chat, make sure I was comfortable, even tuck me in or something to that effect.
Then he finishes with “but of course you know I cannot do that, with you living in New York and my living in London.” Talk about the “superficial effect.”
one joy,
I think it depends on your relationship with your friend up to this point. For instance, regarding YOUR relationship with YOUR spath — was she a support to you? did you tell her? did she get it? was SHE the one who helped YOU get it? Etc.
I have a friend like that — we sometimes stay very blunt, even off base things to one another. In our case it works because we used to live near one another but for the last 12 years have lived on opposite coasts. So (like Lovefraud kinda) we are email friends now — and our circles of friends do not cross. It is safer… yet we have a history, know and love each other.
but for most people… it would be meddling to speak up, unless she asks you directly. Even then you would have to be careful. In my experience, it is better to be a good listener. You could provide an opening (a personal story about YOU) and see if she then brings up her own relationship and ASKS you your take on it. Otherwise, I’d suggest keeping your thoughts to yourself but check in on her every so often to see how she is. Don’t let him “divide and conquer” but maintain your connection with her (in case that is what is going on).
You could also find a way to bring up your own spath history (make it only about you) and how Lovefraud (for example) has really helped you open your eyes… it could be planting a seed for her, just in case she might need it.
hi 20 years,
we were political activists together in another time and place, and lived in the same community (and i cherish that long knowledge of each others’ lives, even if it wasn’t particularly intimate), and are now just reconnecting. i have never gone to her for emo support, although I reached out to her a lot when he husband died a few years ago. (i just told her about the spath on this trip.)
i don’t know what her guy is – but i know he is controlling and manipulative, and immediately tried to triangulate us. ALWAYS a bad sign.
I am not going to ask her questions about her relationship, or try to plant a seed as in this case, for some reason i don’t think it would work. I also realize, in responding to your post, that I don’t want to be involved in that way. I have what looks like important info to me (might not be to her) about someone she is about to more deeply rearrange her life for. i just want her to have the info. it’s power for her.
thanks.
hehe Aeosp, like your candor: ‘The messenger always gets shot.’
I think you are right about i have to handle him:
‘Maybe staying neutral with him, so you are playing his game effectively, and staying in the picture for when she needs you?
she does have lots of people in her life. that’s one of the things he is jealous of. suspect his mom was vivacious also.
what a waste of time bad relationships are…we have finite years on this earth, and yet we squander them without even realizing it.
thanks.
one joy, your response hints at something else, too. As part of our OWN process of learning to recognize spathlike behavior and red flags (since we were blind before), I think we may continue to encounter people who have these traits. Sometimes they are at a somewhat safer distance, as in we witness our friends being in controlling and manipulative relationships. And then have to decide what to do with that information. Still a part of our learning process of pattern recognition and developing healthy boundaries.
Don’t you think it is helpful to YOU in some ways, to be able to recognize this now…?
As for squandering our time, I can definitely see that view, but also the other side of that coin — I have learned and grown so much (and the lessons continue to come!) from my “bad relationships.” Though I am continuing to grieve for the good relationships that might have been, and it is still very hard for me to see my children suffering through their growing up in the messed up family of their father and me… even though I divorced him when they were very small, the contact has continued (he is big on power and control and would never give up contact).
At the same time… it is also true for my children that they are learning important lessons about what constitutes a healthy relationship, and to recognize spaths. I’m hoping so much that when they are adults, they will have well-developed spathdar and end up in loving, kind relationships. But I don’t know what the future holds for them, or for me.
20 years, yep, for sure this is about how i live and what i have learned. and lf continues to be a valuable resource to help me learn, and refine how to implement what i have learned.
about squandering time – i have learned so much from bad relationships, that i have had no time for good ones. 😉
clair,
thanks for the hug.
you said:
“Think of the sickest, most twisted reason for doing something and then we’ll understand them.”
That’s the reason we can’t wrap our minds around them and they keep getting away with everything they do. Because NOBODY thinks that way. Yet they do.
One Joy,
Patience. You can say what was unsaid, but you can’t take back what you’ve said.
You aren’t around her enough to influence her as much as he is. He has the upper hand here and he will drive a wedge between you two. I agree with Aesop about staying neutral so you can get a better perspective with time.
The fact that her husband committed suicide makes the picture more complex.
Throwing in a coupla cents…One Joy
I am in a similar situation, as some of you may have read. Only my friend is in the beginning stages of being lovebombed.
His new spath sized me up, IMMEDIATELY, and triangulated the relationship. I, not without sadness, bowed out. He knows about my experience with a spath. He has some rudimentary information about red flags. And I told him the night she created drama (in the first hour I ever met the woman), that I thought he had a person who is disturbed on the line.
He doesn’t believe it. He is being lovebombed and thinks I am over reacting, and don’t see ‘who she really is’ behind the weird behavior.
This messenger only needs to be shot once, to stay away.
So, One Joy, even armed with pretty good information my friend is gladly going to ‘slaughter’. And I am not willing to risk my own sanity and balance-of-life to try and ‘rescue’ him.
I feel really relieved to have taken myself out of harms way. It is amazing to have learned enough to be able to make the right decision ‘by me’, without having to follow a step by step process out of a self-help book. I did what I needed to do, without self-doubt. Without too much thought even.
THANK-YOU LOVEFRAUD! Thank-you me…..
Sorry about your friend, One Joy..I know I am going to miss mine. But it just isn’t possible to stay connected without having to socialize with his New Suck-Hole.
Hi Abbri ~ I questioned the same things about my ex and that’s what brought me to LF.
My spath was a GREAT father!! Heck, he was even a GREAT husband for 25 years (at least that’s what I thought). He continues to fulfill his monetary obligations but he thrives on chaos and even tries to manipulate his grown children into dealings with his current relationship. Fortunately they see what he is now and on most accounts stand up to him. But, he is still their father and he does cause them emotional damage.
He still tries to LOVE BOMB me from time to time thru emails but I hold fast and don’t respond. It’s become amusing to some degree, knowing he is currently living with his latest squeeze but
working the old charm on my psyche. That too, helps reinforce the fact that while we were married he was amusing himself on websites with other women.
Regardless of what your guy is ~ why would you even let yourself consider reuniting with him? The fact that he is a liar and sex addict should be enough to validate to yourself that you deserve BETTER! That’s what did it for me. I DESERVED BETTER!
Skylar~ Why would a spath refer to themselves as “sick”? Mine said that once but I thought at the time he was referring to his gambling.
slimone said:
“This messenger only needs to be shot once, to stay away.
So, One Joy, even armed with pretty good information my friend is gladly going to ’slaughter’. And I am not willing to risk my own sanity and balance-of-life to try and ’rescue’ him.
I feel really relieved to have taken myself out of harms way.”
Yes, agree. I believe we can’t save those who are gladly going to ’slaughter’ because they are blinded & in denial. Hopefully, they won’t get too hurt, but WE CANNOT SAVE them. Maybe the best we can do is pray for them & if they finally see the light at some later point and ask for help, then we can help them. My T called this ‘letting someone live their own karma”.