If there is one thing that gets me argumentative it is statements like this one that appeared in a recent research paper: “non-incarcerated psychopaths have an arguably equal potential to illuminate our understanding of the emotional difficulties, such as lack of empathy and lack of conscience, which underlie psychopathy and which lead to offending behaviour.” (emphasis mine)
Now I agree that we can learn from non-incarcerated psychopaths, I wrote recently about a well designed study where sociologists conducted interviews of some. But I cannot believe that statements like the one above make it through editorial review for another reason. Researchers in psychology have spent the last 50 years and untold millions of dollars uncovering the cause of behavior. There is no mystery, we know what causes behavior!
Behavior is caused by rewards and stopped by punishment. Actually rewards cause behavior a lot better than punishment stops it in most people. That is because the brain reward system is functionally stronger than the brain punishment system for most, and especially for sociopaths/psychopaths. The rewards that cause behavior do so because they increase dopamine activity in the mesolimbic dopamine system.
Offending behavior exists and persists because it is rewarding and that reward affects the activity of the mesolimbic dopamine system. To put it bluntly, nothing but desiring/liking to offend leads to offending behavior. To say otherwise is to negate all the work that has been done in this area. The evidence is so strong that genes involved in dopamine metabolism and that system have been identified as candidate genes in the familial transmission of “offending behavior”.
I will repeat, a lack of empathy does not cause offending behavior, neither does a lack of conscience. These two may cause a person to show restraint if he is tempted to aggress against another, but it is the aggressive impulse that causes aggression. So a person with empathy and conscience can still offend if he has the inclination to do so. Furthermore, there is evidence that repeated offending erodes away empathy and conscience.
There is another source of evidence that calls into question the hypothesis that lack of empathy causes the sociopath’s behavior. That source of evidence is people with autism and autism spectrum disorders.
I recently found two very impressive discussions comparing moral agency in autism and psychopathy. The first is, Autism, Empathy and Moral Agency, a paper published in The Philosophical Quarterly (52:340, 2002) written by Dr. Jeannette Kennett, Deputy Director and Principal Research Fellow, Centre for Applied Philosophy and Public Ethics, The Australian National University. Since I didn’t know to search Philosophical Quarterly for papers on psychopathy, I didn’t find that paper until I read “Moral Psychology, Volume 3, The Neuroscience of Morality: Emotion, Brain Disorders and Development” MIT Press, 2008. Dr. Kennett also has two chapters in that book. But Chapter 5, Varieties of Moral Agency: Lessons from Autism, is a discussion of Dr. Kennette’s paper by Dr. Victoria McGeer, of Princeton University’s Center for Human Values. There is a back and forth discussion of the issues raised, with several noted professors also participating.
Both sources begin their discussions by saying that moral agency has two parts two it, a thinking part and a feeling part. They trace these concepts back to philosophers Kant and Hume. Dr. Kennett concludes that Kant is right and that reason is the most important aspect of moral agency. Dr. McGeer points to emotions being important even for people with autism. I am going to summarize the arguments, then give you my own opinion.
Now like sociopathy, autism is a spectrum. A large percentage of people with autism are mentally retarded, so this discussion involves those autistic individuals who are not mentally retarded. I should point out that many sociopaths also have poor intellectual functioning. These sociopaths tend to live in prison.
Dr. Kenneth quotes the following description of autism,
The most general description of social impairment in autism is lack of empathy. Autistic people are noted for their indifference to other people’s distress, their inability to offer comfort, even to receive comfort themselves. What empathy requires is the ability to know what another person thinks or feels despite that is different from one’s own mental state at the time. In empathy one shares emotional reactions to another person’s different state of mind. Empathy presupposes amongst other things a recognition of different mental states. It also presupposes that one goes beyond the recognition of difference to adopt the other person’s frame of mind with all the consequences of emotional reactions. Even able autistic people seem to have great difficulty achieving empathy in this sense.
Autistic people also experience an “aloneness,” yet this aloneness does not bother them. They are indifferent to the presence of other people and do not require affection. One autistic adult is quoted as saying, “I really didn’t know there were other people until I was seven years old. I then suddenly realized that there were people. But not like you do, I still have to remind myself that there are people. I could never have a friend. I really don’t know what to do with other people really.”
High functioning autistic people recognize that they are very different from other people and report feeling “like aliens.”
Dr.Kenneth correctly concludes, “Both psychopaths and autistic people experience outsider status, deficiencies in social understanding and social responsiveness… Both have a tendency to treat other people as tools or instruments, (they have) a lack of strong emotional connectedness to others and impaired capacity for friendship.” She says clinicians and researchers link these impairments in both psychopathy and autism to impaired empathy. But autistic people are in fact worse off in this respect than psychopaths. Psychopaths at least can interact socially with ease and behave in a charming way.
She correctly questions, “If empathy is crucial to the development and exercise of moral agency, then why is the autistic person not worse off, morally speaking, than the psychopath?” She points out that in spite of the lack of empathy which is at the core of the disorder, “Many autistic people display moral concerns, moral feeling and a sense of duty or conscience.”
That autistic people are not antisocial is evidenced by the observation that few come to the attention of police. I did a Google news search using the terms autistic and arrest. Although there were many arrests of people for abusing those with autism, all of the arrests of autistics for aggression were for aggression that stemmed from self-defense. For example, a 10 year old boy with autism was arrested for assaulting staff at his treatment facility. The boy assaulted staff members because he was afraid and they tried to prevent his escape.
Drs. Kenneth and McGeer basically agree on the source of moral agency in those with autism, and what they say is fascinating with respect to sociopaths. The source of moral agency in autism is a preference for order and organization. Autistic people have reported that their sense of morality comes from a desire to see their world as orderly and organized. Dr. Kenneth states that this need for order gives rise to an extraordinary rationality in high functioning people with autism. She says that since morality is organized and logical that those with autism easily pick up moral principles.
I also did a search on morality in autism and can attest to several studies demonstrating normal levels of moral reasoning in autistic children who are not mentally retarded.
Drs. Kennett and McGeer also agree on the issue of the lack of moral agency shown by sociopaths/psychopaths. They both say that this group just plain doesn’t care about morality or regard moral principles as important. This is where psychopaths and autistics differ. Autistics identify with and value moral principles. Dr. Kennett states, “It is not the psychopath’s lack of empathy, which (on its own at any rate) explains his moral indifference. It is more specifically his lack of concern, or more likely lack of capacity to understand what he is doing, to consider the reasons available to him and to act in accordance with them.”
The point of disagreement of the two experts involves the relative role of emotion and reason in autistic people’s moral agency and valuation of morality. Dr. Kennett says that the autistic person is like Dr. Spock of Star Treck, and views life in purely logical terms. Since morality is logical and rational, autistics embrace it. Dr. McGeer disagrees, she states that the autistic need for order leads to an emotional connection to order and rationality. She feels that emotion does play a role in the moral lives of autistics, since she sees them as emotionally as well as rationally invested in maintaining order.
What about sociopaths/psychopaths and the need for order/organization? This disorder truly involves disorder. Psychopaths/sociopaths thrive on chaos and seem to have a dislike for order. Everywhere they go they are a source of extreme entropy as they take order and turn it into disorder. Both Drs. link the lack of appreciation for order to a lack of thoughtfulness in sociopaths/psychopaths. Sociopaths are both disordered and not fully rational or logical.
Dr. McGeer States:
This failure of reason may seem surprising. After all, our image of the psychopath is of a person who is rather good at serving his own interests without concern for the damage he does to others; hence of someone who is rather good at thinking and acting in instrumentally rational ways”¦As Dr. Carl Elliot observes, “While the psychopath seems pathologically egocentric, he is nothing like an enlightened egoist. His life is frequently distinguished by failed opportunities, wasted chances and behavior which is astonishingly self-destructive. This poor judgment seems to stem not so much from the psychopath’s inadequate conception of how to reach his ends, but from an inadequate conception of what his ends are.”
I agree with Dr. McGeer in that I believe that the emotionality associated with the need for order leads to the rationality of autistic people. The brain punishment system is relatively intact in autistics as compared to sociopaths and when an autistic person senses danger instead of being disconnected from the source of anxiety/fear, the autistic person engages thoughtfully to avoid danger (punishment).
The brain punishment/anxiety system of sociopaths is both hypofunctional and hyperfunctional in that they experience anxiety but fail to engage their thinking brains in the presence of danger. The high functioning autistic is well practiced at using his thinking brain to avoid anxiety. The psychopath rarely uses the thinking brain he has- to do anything other than get into trouble and hurt other people.
There are interesting parallels between the autistic’s use of reason to manage anxiety and normal development. It turns out that anxiety and fearfulness in the first two years of life actually predicts the development of conscience. The brain punishment system seems to be more plugged in to the rational brain in kids who are dispositionally more anxious. These kids also have a more highly developed sense of empathy later on.
I am thankful to Drs. Kenneth and McGeer for their seminal contributions to our understanding of sociopathy/psychopathy. I encourage the scholars among you to purchase their book from Amazon. However, I think they both missed a further unifying explanation for why autistics are moral and psychopaths/sociopaths are not.
That explanation involves the brain reward system, which is fundamentally different in autistics and sociopaths. Autistics do not experience social reward, maybe not even in the sexual sense. They are indifferent to relationships. The main reward autistics live for must be the love of thinking because that is all they have. I don’t see that too many are obese, so I don’t think they even turn to food for their source of pleasure. Instead their inner worlds are rich with thoughts and reason. They busy themselves with their own thoughts. Most like who they are, enjoy life and wouldn’t choose a different life if they could.
The sociopath on the other hand, is completely dependent on social reward. The sociopath cannot tolerate aloneness because he has no entertaining thought-life to fall back on. The problem with the social reward system in sociopaths is that the only social reward they experience is dominance. All of their antisocial behavior is motivated by their dominance drive. When they lie, cheat or steal it is about gaining short term interpersonal dominance over some poor unsuspecting person. Autistics can’t lie and are as indifferent to dominance reward as they are to affection reward.
Dr. Keltner and associates at UC Berkeley are engaged in important research on the effects on people of obtaining social power. It turns out that when many people get power reward they change. Self-esteem increases, empathy is suspended, and they become uninhibited and less rational. They also think more about sex and tend to use more foul language. Their moral agency is diminished.
I believe that this response to power reward is the point of connection between sociopaths and the rest of us. Sociopaths are constantly in a state of power intoxication, or are in search of their next power fix. The rest of us can manage the power reward better, but the behavior of our politicians suggests that power intoxication doesn’t only make sociopaths less rational.
I could use your help on two things this week. First, I want your opinion on the term moral agency. I have been looking for a single term that would describe the moral deficits of sociopaths. Up until now I have used the term low “moral reasoning ability” because I couldn’t find another better term. Do you think people will better connect with/comprehend the term low “moral agency” or poor “moral reasoning ability”? Actually moral agency is more precise and technically more correct, but will people get it?
The second question I have concerns successful psychopaths. When I read the autism papers, it occurred to me that successful psychopaths do one of two things that unsuccessful ones don’t do. They either have a better appreciation for order or organization, or they find someone to organize and order their lives for them. If you know a successful psychopath, can you comment on how he/she is successful in spite of the chaos he/she tends to cause?
This article makes me very, very sad indeed. Articulating the full depth of my offence and hurt at some of the quotes here from Drs. Kennett & McGreer, and some of the comments in the article itself, would take an essay. I will therefore confine myself to a few observations, and to pleading with the author and anyone who reads this to go and listen to people on the autism spectrum themselves.
Before I go on, here are some links that I really hope at least a few people will read:
Here’s “Bev,” a woman with a diagnosis of Asperger’s Syndrome, with some myths about Autism:
http://aspergersquare8.blogspot.com/search/label/autism%20myths
And here’s a video from the same person (and her good friend Squawkers McCaw), illustrating the way that empathy can take different forms:
http://aspergersquare8.blogspot.com/search/label/autism%20myths
From Amanda Baggs, an autistic woman & disability activist, here is a video on dehumanisation of autistic people & other people with disabilities: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4c5_3wqZ3Lk
…and here are some posts on stereotyping: http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?cat=144
And here’s Autistics.org (http://www.autistics.org/), a website with more information. You might also want to check out the rest of those blogs and the places they link to as well.
While you may or may not agree with everything these people say, you can hardly continue to view them as “Mr Spock,” or “emotionless.”
Based on my own personal experience and studies (limited as they may be, since I’m an engineer and not a psychologist or neurologist), I would be tempted to say that an autistic person is practically the polar opposite of a sociopath.
An autistic person may be cognizant of love, fear, friendship, shame, pride, and all of the emotional richness of the human condition, but may lack the conventional social interfaces to fully understand and communicate this with others. A sociopath, on the other hand, has an uncannily sophisticated social interface–s/he is masterfully adept both in counterfeiting deep emotions and evoking them in others–but lacks the ability to feel any of these emotions.
It is bitterly ironic that many people on the autistic spectrum who have a vibrant and passionate inner lifeare branded as “empty shells” and depersonalized completely; while in the reverse, many sociopaths enjoy the full support of society thanks to an irridescent carapace that conceals an utter deficiency of feeling.
This is what I mean by sociopathy being the opposite of autism.
Dear Mordant Carnival,
You have some good points. As you I am sure know, autism has a wide spectrum of functional/dysfunctional people. Dr. Temple Grandin is a perfect example of a person with autism who is VERT highly functioning. In fact, she developed humane handling facilities for cattle based on her feelings and empathy with the animals. I own such equipment for handling my own cattle. This woman is very self-aware and I have read a great deal of her writings, both about autism and about her field of expertice.
I don’t think there is anyone here who equates autism with sociopathy, I know that I don’t see any similarities.
There is a young autistic boy (age 6) who lives near me that has just received a service dog because the boy kept darting into traffic and it limited the places he could be taken by his parents for his own safety. over $15,000 was raised by the community to buy the boy a service dog to keep him safe. the boy and the dog are quite bonded now and the two can go anywhere together because the dog will not allow the boy to endanger himself. The boy’s mother even says the dog knows when the child is about to have a “tantrum” and will notify her so that she can head it off.
While some people with autism will never be totally functional in society, Dr. Grandin gives me hope that more and more of those people will be able to lead “mainstream” lives. I’m glad that the “low end” of the spectrum children with autism are being recognized so that those chldren can also be helped.
Thank you for your posts.
I have to agree with the engineer above, as someone who has been dxd with autism. Autistic people care about others’ feelings, but have difficulty perceiving them while sociopaths are very perceptive of others’ feelings but don’t care about them. Brain scans of autistic children have shown that while they tend to be unresponsive to the facial expressions of strangers, they are very responsive to the facial expressions of their parents. Asperger’s is actually a lot more like the social deficits often associated with learning disabilities than sociopathy. Thus Aspies and people with LDs may stand too close to people and perseverate about the same thing over and over again but, unlike sociopaths, they generally don’t harbor malicious intent, at least not any more than “normal” people.
As a sidenote, my mom dated a P for 3 years when I was 10-12. He did some pretty horrible things, most of which I won’t go into here. Interestingly, he probably didn’t know that I cared about others’ feelings(which is just as well), because he sought pity from my mom and brother for his fake terminal illnesses, but never from me. In a way, I saw through him a little faster than my mom because I realized that some of his claims made no logical sense(how can he hit mom hard enough to get her to call the police and then lie about it if he’s dying of Lou Gehrig’s disease? Why do all of these famous people need him to be their ghostwriter?)but at the same time I wasn’t mature enough to realize that this wasn’t normal adult behavior. At that time, I started cutting myself and lying more, especially to him and my mom, and just generally caring less about myself and other people as a defense mechanism(a few more years with him and I might have either turned into an S or killed myself – the worst part is that he did temporarily convince me to tell him and trust him more than I told/trusted my own parents, even as he would lie about me to my mom to try to turn her against me). But, as I didn’t start doing that until they got together and stopped cutting/lying/etc. within 6 months after she dumped him, I think it was environmental rather than me being a sociopath.
Dear Sweetcynic,
Welcome to LF, and thank you for sharing what must be painful memories with us.
The thing about relationships I ithink is that it starts off learning about them, but ends up a personal healing journey within ourselves to heal from the things that made us vulnerable. Of course you were a child and had no choice about this person being in your life. I am glad your mother finally tossed him and I hope that she did not get hooked by another S.
Good luck as you search for healing in your life, peace and joy. God bless.
Easy, thanks for posting this.
I am usually very careful about vaccines, but I was quite concerned about h1n1, and got the shot.
thimerosal is the perservative in the h1n1 vacination. ergggh – nothing like a bit more neurotoxin!
Thanks Oxdrover. No, my mom did not get hooked by another S. I actually did much better in jr high and high school once I was away from him, had a more sane mother, and had a fresh start at a new school. We even moved to a new city within a year after she dumped him.
Dear Sweetcynic,
I don’t know if you are aware of the work that Dr. Temple Grandin has done. She is autistic, but she has revolutionized the cattle handling industry with her designs for handling cattle under lower stress and increased safety for both the cattle and the handlers. I have a chute which she designed, and she actually found that the “squeezing”motion which calms the cattle (it is a natural reaction to being held very firmly that calms the animal) also helps calm her. She built a padded apparatus that she can climb into (she controls it) and it squeezes her and calms her. She even used her knowledge to hellp herself, and her own knowledge to hellp the animals.
She is well respected in the industry as THE expert in handling cattle. She can literally THINK like the cattle she says. And obviously she is right. So sometimes a “disability” can really be an ABILITY that others don’t have as it is a different perspective.
I realize that there are different levels of autism but I think that sometimes we can make our “handicaps” into benefits!
This is the article that Athena made reference to, with Kathleen’s insightful response, on the first page.
I’ve not read the all the posts yet, but I found so much food for thought here, that I thought it’d be worth revisting. BloggerT’s link to the Columbine shooters was extremely good. They are a classic case, IMO of a schizoid and a spath. They seem similar, except one wears a mask and the other doesn’t, so he seems weirder.
Asperger’s and Schizoids are considered to be similar except that one chooses to isolate himself and the other does it because he can’t help it.
This may not be politically correct to say, but I don’t think Asperger’s precludes spathiness.
I think all it takes for a person to be a spath is envy and a mask.
Sky, thanks for reposting it, there is so much great stuff in here.