When I was a med student, I studied animal models for human stress and depression. The best animal model of what a psychopath does to others is that of the rodent resident-intruder paradigm. In this model, males are introduced into the home territory of other males, they experience social defeat and are removed before they are injured. Repeated exposure to this situation produces a defeated animal who is chronically submissive and gives up without a fight whenever he encounters other males. Below is the posture of a defeated mouse.
The physiology of this defeated rodent resembles human depression very closely. The defeat state can be reversed with antidepressants. Defeat is associated with elevated stress hormones, immune dysfunction and learned helplessness.
I think it is important to know that the potential to develop the defeat mentality exists within us. In humans this mentality takes on a more sophisticated form. When defeated many people become enveloped by what I call “the victim identity.”
Identity or self concept means how you think about yourself and how you think others perceive you. Identity and self concept always includes some component of how dominant or socially potent we consider ourselves to be. Social status is another related part of the self concept.
An encounter with a sociopath/psychopath often leaves a person defeated in every sphere of life. The status, reputation, career, finances that took a lifetime to build vanish. The victim is left in limbo, not knowing how to put the pieces together.
It is in this limbo that the victim identity develops. A person who used to be financially well off and productive having lost everything now adjusts to that loss by defining him/herself as “victim”. This victim identity is further supported by the constant pain and anxiety the person feels. Why do I hurt? Why have I lost? Why am I defeated? I experience all these things because I am a victim.
The minute I say, “I am a victim.” That word victim becomes part of my self definition. There is a certain comfort in the victim identity. It helps a person explain and cope with their external reality and internal symptoms.
The danger in the victim identity is that it will come to be the totality of a person’s self-definition. Once this happens, the victim stops living, and is like the defeated mouse, assuming the posture at every challenge.
I challenge you today to consider the place your identity as a victim has in terms of your total self-definition. Is the trauma the first thing you think of when you think of yourself? Are you being fair to yourself when you identify with your victim status? Perhaps you have a good deal more living to do than your victim identity will allow?
It is important to be whole. That means the part of you who is/was a victim gets integrated with the other parts. “Victim” has to become just a piece of the puzzle that is you.
I confess that I am aware of my victim identity most in the company I choose to keep. I feel most comfortable relating to other people who understand psychopaths and what they do. If that also describes you realize that is a sign of victim identity. It is important to acknowledge these tendencies and balance them by having friends who are not victims or family members of psychopaths/sociopaths.
It is especially important to spend time with functional families/couples who love and care for each other.
Try never to take pride in your status as a victim or use it as an excuse for dysfunction. If you experience symptoms of PTSD, that is a challenge to overcome not a curse you are condemned to live with.
Ask yourself today if you really want to be like that poor defeated mouse.
For another opinion and further discussion of the victim identity see The Line between Victims and Abusers (although I do not agree with all Dr. Stosny says here).
Hi, jackie56…welcome. Glad you’re here. Glad your therapist seemed to “get it”. Hope you can get the house sold and the settlement done…and be careful “facing” him…keep yourself safe.
Dear Nolife,
I’m glad you are here. I think most if not all of us were “defeated mice” at one point or another, but we are working hard to overcome that mentality. It IS difficult to do, but it is WORTH IT in the end! We can regain our power, we CAN regain a life.
I strongly suggest you read “Women who love Psychopaths” as it will answer your questions about WHY YOU….and you omay be suprised to ofind out that it is because you have so many good qualities and so much stlrength! Hang on! Keep comming here and reading and learnign, and I am so glad you are here, this place is a HEALING PLACE. God bless you, and my prayers for you.
Nolife…welcome. Rants are ok here. Take care of yourself, rest when you can, and rant when you want. You’ll get respect here…glad you’ve been reading, and you’ll find more friends here to surround you.
Dear Nolife….You do have a life and you should get more help…I know how you feel..believe me. It is hard.I dont know what is going to happen in my future but you managed to create such a big business…you are smart. My business (what is left of it ) consisted of about 16 employees…they all knew my situation and they have no respect for me.That has created an anger in me to prevail somehow…I just dont know yet. I also ALWAYS choose the wrong men. I am hoping to get insight on this website…it seems to be a big problem and I am finding out there is alot of support here..with people that not only “get it” but lived it and somehow actually survived it. I want to learn how too…You are right….NOBODY is worth dying over…living is the best revenge. Keep on researching here and get some professional help. You must be smart to have achieved such a big company! Pull out that strength and run it by us..We’ll help.
Thanks OxDrover & Jim 🙂
There is really no understanding of sociopath in Asia. It’s hard for them to understand what is going on with me.
I am grateful to Donna for waking me up from my “dream” about my ex. If it’s not for this site, I might be still in the misery loop.
It’s up and down for me, at times, I set goals to get my MBA, volunteer at Nepal, and go contribute in woman issues etc. But there’s lapses. I feel weak at times. I am one that believes anything is possible and that there’s good in everyone. I don’t know how to change that beliefs. I used to be such risk taker. Now, I have lost that fighter’s spirit.
Thank you both for the kind words 🙂 It’s late, and I should leave my office soon. Thank you once again.
P.S. News like Air France 447 gets me down. Sometimes I fear reading news, they all seem so depressing.
Thankyou LTL and Rosa,
Its so nice to come home to warm words and kind hearts. I worked so hard today, I am exhausted but happy. Catch the hugs I am sending all my lovely survivors((((hugs)))))xoxoxox Stay strong.
Dear bopeep,
I wish to be wise than smart. I do not wish to run this business if it has not been for my dad. I was more successful when I was working in Norway. But I have see this company from 30 to 170 and put a lot of hours running it. It actually hurts a lot of my relationship because my priority is my family.
None of my employees know about what happened to me, except for my PA, which I let go. I am sorry to hear about your situation. But most important is not to show anger in front of your employees. You have to stay calm and take back your command. Lead them, show them directions and let them know you are still in charge. If you are close to them, let them know that everyone makes mistake including you and me.
I hope you pull thru this period. I know it’s tough in USA right now. But I believe you are smart and strong enough to get thru it. Thank you for your supportive post and I hope I could return the kindness in time to come 🙂
Take care. Let’s learn together.
Nolife says
“To be honest, I am not that strong” IN POST ONE.
Nolife says in SECOND POST…
“I wish to be wise not smart. None of my employees know about what happened to me, except for my PA, which I let go. But most important is not to show anger in front of your employees. You have to stay calm and take back your command. Lead them, show them directions and let them know you are still in charge. If you are close to them, let them know that everyone makes mistake including you and me.”
Learnthelesson says…
YOU are stronger and wiser than you are able to see right now…it will take time and an abundance of self-love (which takes the least out of you) to give yourself your all. You were giving to the wrong people – give to yourself, slowly, steadily, easily…time, attention, goodness, smiles and confidence…we all do this for so many others and NOT OURSELVES…Self-awareness is strength and wisdom combined.
Nolife said:
” I have thought of ending my life to not feel the pain anymore”
So many of us have shared these raw emotions…and so many of us come to realize while that is one way of ending the pain there is another…more wise and more strong…making the choice to “end the pain” with the unbelievable power of our minds and spirits…CHOOSE to wake up happy…just say what the heck…and try it… when those eyes open just make the conscious choice to roll out of bed happy…skip to the coffee maker if you must ( laugh at yourself or cry of ridiculousness along the way) I dont care…the point is the CHOICE is all ours…we can choose sadness and disgust and all the negativity “Mr. Not So Wonderful” left us with or we can let that all go when we are ready and choose to live in the moment (without the losers memory in it)….YES IT IS EASIER SAID THAN DONE…but once we go through the process of loss and come out of the fog we can ALL MAKE THE CHOICE TO TURN IT AROUND…the power is ours in our minds and spirits. Our entire being is drained and bruised and damaged, but not irrepairable (sp??) just takes time and a WILLINGNESS to want to pick ourselves up and carry on. Life is worth living NOT BECAUSE SOMEONE ELSE IS IN IT OR ISNT, its worth living because it is a gift to each of us, one we get to choose how our actions and reactions are going to be….lets choose (as Nolife says) “WISELY”….
Choose to make and create happiness in your life. Its in all of our hands. I am going to skip across the room to the teapot now just for a laugh!!!
Hang in there Nolife, there is newlife waiting for you around the corner!! Take care!
Nolife & Bopeep: Did you think that those men picked YOU? That they deliberately “acted” their way into your trust?
You both sound like strong, intelligent, capable women who are doing work and taking responsibility that is far more than most people would handle.
Some of these predators deliberately look for the strong, capable women, and they do a good job of PRETENDING to be trustworthy and loving.
Because they can lie so very, very well, we can’t see the truth. Even professionals can’t always see the truth.
I think the first thing for each of you is to realize that it wasn’t your fault. It wasn’t because you were weak, or chose to have blind spots. The book “Women Who Love Psychopaths” helped me understand so much. I have also been in management, and I have run large projects and carried a lot of responsibility. I know now that some of the men deliberately go after women like us just because they want to tear us down. Let’s not let them win!
Dear Rune…Thank you so much for the comment…again to have people who understand this situation is amazing to me ..since I got rejected by friends and family who didnt want to deal with my bad…but was always on my side when life was going well. I am sure these men sought me out, but I do have a weakness of wanting to be loved from my mom who is and always has been self absorbed and selfish. I strive to be the opposite of that, I strive to be completely different to my children and make them my #1 priority in my life. My mom cared about other people and how she appeared to them. My need to be loved left a window open for bad to enter. I used to believe that if I am a trusting, kind , unselfish person then the karma would come back to me…thats why this situation is so hard to accept. I , deep down , don’t blame myself. My big question is…as much as I want to change the way I am …it seems hard and in a big way I like the person that I am…I always try to do good things for others…so how do I harden and not compromise that part.
I am still a hair away from losing my business, my home, my other home, my car (he had it set up in the corp. so I would lose that too!) Even though I am suppose to move my family into his home…I do have plan B in the works…but that will take time because I am going to have to hide money. Did any of you lose everything already? How do you survive that? If I was alone there would be no problem for me with that..but I do have 5 kids…so it is hard. I am also in my late 40’s so physically it is getting harder to work a million hours.I am amazed there are people out there that are survivors…God bless you..I am soooo happy for you. I will continue to read lots, and I will pick up that book. I hope to be writing here someday as a survivor. I cant believe with all the talk shows on tv…nobody does a story on victims of sociopaths!!!!! Its way more devastating than most of their “horror stories” they cover! Thanks again…each word gives me a tiny bit more strength…God Bless us all