Most of the people who will be bad for us are not sociopaths, and so we want our radar to be sharp, not specifically for sociopaths, but for wrong, bad people of every stripe.
True, sociopaths will be terrible people with whom to enter relationships; in the end, though, they will represent a small fraction of a much greater majority of very wrong people for us.
As I suggested in a prior post, there are two keys to protecting ourselves from Mr. or Mrs. WRONG: The first is developing intelligent radar; the second is acting wisely on that radar.
After all, good radar, no less than good CIA intelligence, is useless if it’s ignored or devalued.
Now, are there cases of sociopaths (and the lot of devious personalities) so slick as to be undetectable until after they’ve wreaked their havoc? Of course there are; to suggest otherwise would insult anyone unlucky enough to have crossed paths with such destructive individuals.
Nevertheless, in most cases, the wrong person—sociopath or not—will and does leave clues much sooner than most of us want to admit (until much later).
WRONG, by the way, for whom? The answer, of course, is, YOU!
It is tempting and, at some point, I suggest, unfruitful to get stuck on the suspected psychopathology of a partner (present, or ex). Because when you get right down to it, there are only two diagnoses that really matter: Is this person, for me, RIGHT, and GOOD? Or WRONG, and BAD?
Only we can make this assessment, and it’s our responsibility, of course, to make it as soundly as possible. By soundly I mean being as honest with ourselves as possible, and keeping our best long-term interests uppermost in mind.
What, then, is the first—and, for that matter, second—telltale sign that someone is wrong, and really bad, for you, sociopath or not? (And speaking honestly, should we really need more than a sign or two?)
The answer is, ANY EXPRESSED BEHAVIOR or ATTITUDE that leaves you feeling disarmed or disoriented by its inappropriateness, selfishness and/or insensitivity.
Take great heed of such an experience, because almost always, it is a sign that more are sure to follow. In other words, preparing to bail at this point is a wise consideration.
Specifically, what behaviors and attitudes am I referring to? For starters, how about the first, surprising flash of rage, contempt, arrogance, selfishness, coldness, presumptuousness, dishonesty, indifference, ungratefulness, even denseness; shocking acts of abuse, verbal or physical; and startling failures of empathy, or compassion.
It is really less the behavior or attitude, per se, that screams ALARMING”¦prepare to BAIL!, than the experience of it as, “Where did that come from?”
I stress: It is our job, first, to register these signs; and then immediately to register them as alarmingly ominous.
The question is, Will you be willing to see what you’ve seen? Will you be willing to acknowledge the sobering portent of the display? Or instead, for any of a hundred conveniences, will you find ways to pretend you didn’t see it, and/or minimize the ramifications of what you’ve seen?
It is perfectly fine to ask, What, in a new relationship, should I be watchful for? What are the signs that my new interest may be someone different than advertised? I hope I’ve addressed these questions.
Then again, such questions tend, I think, to promote a view of the world as waiting to unleash upon us ruinous new bogeymen and predators, instead of encouraging us to examine what can be harder, but perhaps more honest, useful, retrospective questions, like, What did I miss? Why did I miss it? And if I registered it, why did I choose to ignore or minimize it?
Insight into, and resolution of, these latter questions can confer the best insurance against future exploitation.
In most (certainly not all) cases, it may be less important to be wary of the next nightmare disguised as Mr. or Mrs. SENSITIVE, than more careful of our always lurking capacity for defenses like denial, rationalization and minimization to blind us to what we don’t want to see, and do.
(This article is copyrighted (c) 2008 by Steve Becker, LCSW.)
Newlife09
Welcome to the Club, We are ALL happy you found Us! we are all sorry you are a Member!
couple of quick tips
don’t talk about this with everyone ! Just a select few !
don’t be critical of yourself !
Keep up the Peacefull time spent in Prayer w/ God!
Happy New Year 2009
Your time to LOVE you
Peace JJ
Wini
I don’t mean to be dense but what do you mean he has been looking for a rescue line??/
Do you mean me – as in enhancing his life – which I did cause he moved in with me with only a plastic bag full of clothes and a junk van 22 years ago – or do you mean looking for a rescue from me and feeling trapped??
Thanks to all of you- I have a lot to learn in a short amount of time – the disorder, my finances, lawyer and court, custody counseling to help my kids. I have always been a high functioning person but this has kicked me in the butt and I am slowly digging my way out…….
I truly do look forward to what I can learn and I hope this is a patient group …..cause my heart still has a ways to catch up to the brain.
James /
You are right spot on. I never saw it as abuse – I thought he was just a damaged emotional mess – and I could prove he was worthy of love ….
Indigoblue,
Thank you and you are right…..not many understand what I feel or why I put up with all the garbage…..they know me as strong and determined, and loving and giving.
NewLife08,
I’m sorry you are going thru this. I have no idea if your husband is a S or P, but prove him wrong this time that you will not take him back. At a minimum you have a cake eater (wants his cake and eat it too by having both his family and other women) on your hands. The thing that stood out to me in your post was this:
“He had an afffair with the married woman next door…-that was 14 years ago…… He confessed to me he was in love like never before with her and didn’t want to lose that feeling….
They promised to stop the affair and I did not tell her husband…..We eventually found out they never stopped….. Husband would never move me away…..Things were never INTIMATE with us – like we were disconnected emotionally………In 2005, a woman called to revael his second affair which had been going on a few years already. Again, he promised to end it….. I learned in 2006 he did not end the affair and he left and stayed between the 2 other houses for 4 weeks in March 2006. He came home , swore to go to counseling – we did and I found out again in June he had not ended it ……..saw him in the streets with the woman next door and she has announced to me she has finally won after 14 years….I overheard a conversation in January2008 that he would not be married if it wasn’t for the kids ……
As much as it hurts IMO despite whatever label he might fit under, for your sanity you need to definitely call it quits with this guy and stop letting him come back in whenever he feels like it. I know you loved him, but really you can’t love somebody into feeling the same way about you and loving you back. (not that I haven’t tried that myself, too) And when they don’t love you but stay in your life for other reasons (like the kids) that can explain alot of the other crappy behavior they dish out to you.
You deserve better. I know it feels like hell right now, but once your husband is completely out of your life and you don’t have all this stress of other women etc., you’ll slowly begin to rebuild your life and things can get much much better for you. Stick around and keep posting. You’ll get alot of good (and varied) advice, so just take whatever seems to work best for you. Good luck. Jen
Dear Newlife,
Jen’s advice is good. This site is the best on the net for helping you heal I think. Many of us here have been through tremendous upheavel in our lives after long relationships with various Ps. It doesn’t matter what you call them, they are TOXIC.
Any person who cheats and cheats and lies and lies is toxic no matter what the label. He does not respect you because someone who loved you (even a little bit) WOULD NOT TREAT YOU THIS WAY. Also, if he truly loved her, he would have left you a long time ago and been with her. HE DOESN’T LOVE ANYONE EXCEPT HIMSELF, and he wants it “all”—a harem. Well, maybe he needs to go to some place that lets men have all the power and have multiple women and even then they are allowed to cheat on those….but I doubt that you want to be one of his harem.
No matter what he says IT IS A LIE. HE IS THE LIE. He would tell a lie when the truth would fit better. Even if he tells the truth once in a while, like “the world is round” don’t believe it or count on it, because he is still using even that to manipulate you.
You CAN take back your power. You can tell him and his lawyer that you will NOT TAKE HIM BACK…you will not allow him to abuse you any more. (((hugs))))
thanks Ox Drover ,
All of you take such time to support and reply.
I don’t mean to sound weak – I am a grown woman of 52 but it is easier to know somehow that he can’t love me or anyone than to feel he is healthy and had fallen out of love.
I have the typical fear she will get all the good stuff….
I know I can keep going when I hear you say he does not love her either………
I hope someday I will feel what the love of a healthy man is like….
newlife,
I see and hear myself in your posts. My experience lasted only two years and I can’t even imagine having gone through this for as long as you did. I feel for you. I am only a year out from the devastating lies and drama. I too dwelled on the woman, 18 years younger, now with him in the house I basically built with him. I wonder sometimes if she is wearing the engagement ring he bought me.
So as you reflect, here is my humble advice:
1. reflect only on protecting yourself and exploring what it is that you can do to keep your interest in life without him. It’s hard to imagine all that you felt not being returned. It’s hard to imagine being inside their empty shells wondering what the hell they were thinking when they told you this or did that….. SO DON’t. Only imagine how you can better protect YOU and learn more about the person YOU are and look at this as a new life beginning. What does newlife want for herself, not including anyone else. It’s not selfish.
2. Don’t imagine what it is like for any other woman with him. it doesn’t matter. SOme women, I have found, will never figure it out and will take the abuse. Or when they figure it out they turn their heads. Look at it as though you have been rescued and not wasted more of your precious and valuable time. He will over value and devalue everyone given the opportunity, and THERE ARE PLENTY OF WOMEN WHO WILL GIVE THEM OPPORTUNITY. Let’s not be one of them.
3. Don’t blame yourself.
4. Don’t rush into another relationship. People say it and I didn’t understand until I realized I needed to figure out what had happened to me first and needed to determine WHO, WHAT kind of man I want to share my life with. If we demand quality, it will come eventually, when I am feeling good and strong about myself, my boundaries and my confidence is back in tact. I want someone healthy in my life too who can give me the basics, integrity, truthfulness, fidelity…… I can wait for that. I hope you can too. Don’t rush it. Quality is hard to come by.
My new motto: It’s easy to find anyone. It’s hard to find someone……. They aren’t looking for a “someone”. They don’t care who it is that gives them what they want when they want it. And on their way out the door they make sure we know it’s our fault and we made it happen and we must be crazy. Take the high road. You are worth it !!!! It’s a lonely process, I know. I get it. Most of the people here do too. Take care of YOU
Good to read your post, keepingfaith. I’ve been wasting too much time to day wondering what he was thinking, how he could have done what he did. He insisted on moving in with me (even though he owned a house), but after moving in with me immediately sought out (online) a new partner. As well as multiple sex flings with strangers. I’ve been wondering – why in the hell would he move in with me, if it made having affairs more difficult. Plus, after he moved in with me, he INCREASED the amount of cheating (I learned this all much later). Why in the hell did this man move in with me? It was his idea, not mine. And it made it much harder for him to cheat, but then he did more of it??? What was he thinking? I guess I can never figure that out. I guess he wasn’t thinking, planning, just doing whatever the hell he wanted to do in the moment.
I don’t want to waste any more energy on him – I’ve wasted so much. Nearly two years (and I know that pales in comparison to many others here), and I want it to be over.
I just keep learning (remembering) new facts about how much he cheated on me, and it brings it all back again. I want it to be over. I want him out of my head. I’ve actually done a decent job of getting him out of my heart (not totally, of course) but he’s still in my friggin’ head. With the WHYS? And the WTF??
Newlife,
I am so sorry to hear about how badly you were treated. It was not your fault. You did everything you could (& probably more) to make it work. I also know you are enduring a pain worse than any you have ever gone through. You wonder now, how can you go on? You will, you will. I went through the same as you, mine only lasted 10 years, but the hurt & shame part are the same. I have been divorced for 1 1/2 years now, & am still learning the answers to “How could he do this to me?”
We care about you & what you are going through. Keep reading here, at the pace that’s best for you. You are not alone! We all help each other here, no matter what stage of the process you’re in. We take care of each other. This is your safe place. I’ll pray for you tonight.
In a former blog, SG wrote: “It’s the worst kind of shock. You will probably go through the “bargaining” phase, where you look for loopholes in the definition of “sociopath”. (Maybe he’s not that bad, if only I could just let him know how much he hurt me—”.). None of it will work for a sociopath. The sooner you can just walk away from him the faster you will come through it. Stick around, and we will all help you. We’ve all been there, sadly.”
Beware the bargaining phase! I did that: “maybe he’s just part sociopath, because sometimes he was sweet.” “He was really kind in the beginning, and it seemed genuine..so he can’t be one.” I did circles, for a while, talking myself out of believing he was a sociopath. Wanting to give myself permission to give him another chance. Beware this bargaining phase! The bargain you are going to get in this deal is extended abuse and betrayal by your S. Bargaining will never go your way…beware
HH
I understand how stuff keeps churning through your head…totally, and the need to understand what happened. I don’t consider it “giving him space in my head” (the bastard was already there), giving him power, or letting him win, so much as sorting and clearing out the closets. If I’m going to toss stuff out, I want to make sure there is no more use for it first.
I will keep processing it until I have gleaned every bit of knowledge I can from it. It’s the only way to make sure it never happens again. Then, and only then, will I put it completely out of my head. I spent 2 1/2 years being hopelessly confused. I’ll be damned if I’m gonna let that happen now!
I luckily never had to deal with the bargaining phase – or at least not with a S/P/N (I was bargaining with a drunk when I bargained). I had no idea what he was until almost a month ago, and I was pretty much done with him by then.
Now I seem to be going into the “Lock and Load” phase – LOL!
Hugs!