Last week Lovefraud posted an article that described one woman’s experience of romantic manipulation by a sociopath. Another reader responded with advice.
This woman had been married to a narcissist, which in many ways is similar to a sociopath. Once she divorced him and started dating again, she relied on a list of red flags. “If I saw even ONE flag, the guy was OUT of my life, period,” she says. Here is her list.
Red flags
1) Needing to be around you as much as possible and knowing where you are at all times.
2) Refusing to have any meaningful social life, even with his own family.
3) Telling you what to wear and advising what is “appropriate clothing” for you.
4) Requesting that you spend all your free time with him and NONE with friends. (In the beginning, you can see friends on a limited basis, but he has to be there.)
5) Absolutely NO male friends or hugging any male.
6) Dictating what you look like, i.e., you should wear glasses instead of contact lenses, less makeup, less jewelry, etc.
7) No more going to the gym, men might look at you there while exercising.
8 ) Outright anger when you join a church or any other “institution.” The REAL issue is…he is afraid a priest or other “authority” will tell you what to do and “control” you.
9) Encouraging you to engage in unhealthy habits like not losing weight. They use these “bad habits” later to criticize you.
10) You cannot be “too friendly.” People might get the “wrong idea,” especially MEN.
11) You have the feeling of walking on eggshells, waiting for a blow-up if you say the wrong thing or say the right thing in a way he does not like.
12) You know he thinks he is smarter and better than others by his almost constant criticism of others…words like “idiot” and “slow learner” are a common part of his everyday language as he discusses others.
13) He loves the thrill of a good “fight” with nearly anyone, but when he perceives himself as the loser, he is a very poor one and there are always rationalizations for WHY he lost and they have nothing to do with HIM, of course.
14) He acts like he cares what you think, gives lip service to being “liberal” and open minded but his actions are the opposite.
15) He thinks absolutely NOTHING of lying and will take advantage of anyone at anytime if it furthers his goals.
16) You have never met anyone like him”¦he does things that no one else does…his behavior is simply outrageous to others and they shake their heads and say what GALL!
17) The rules do NOT EVER apply to him…he is above them.
18) He resents, on many levels, having to care for his children unless a woman is around to take on most of the “burden.”
19) He often “forgets” what he is supposed to do for his children (especially when it involves anything to do with money).
20) He says things that simply make NO sense and you, as a rational, logical person, just cannot quite figure it out.
21) He shows up with no notice at your job or home (no common sense of courtesy).
22) When he thinks he is being rejected, he calls, emails, comes to your home or job obsessively and often actually stalks.
23) Early in the relationship you are his “whole world” and he does not want to spend any time with anyone but you.
24) He seldom thanks anyone for anything.
25) These men are VERY adept at fooling others”¦everyone thinks they are just great and love you so much”¦BEWARE!
By the way, the woman who compiled—and applied—this list of red flags has healed and met a wonderful man who is now her fiancé.
Hey I’m sorry you guys are having a little conversation but I need some serious help!! And I would ask for your guys’ opinion on something. I am 15. Only 15 and I have a serious stalker issue with someone who is 16. Which in my own opinion is..just a tad bit unormal for many reasons. He is very much a sociopath for over half the reasons you listed. Now I had met him this summer and we were both 15 at the time (he turned 16 in November) but we had only may after a week and he really liked me…which I found flattering but also a little weird. He texted me and right off the bat he told me he wasn’t a virgin anymore since the 6th grade but he had asked me for my help and me being as nice and sweet as I am I offered to help him get throught it. As we continued this “relationship” he was overly friendly. Too sweet. Constantly telling me I was “the one” I was his world. Also know as, early infatuation. He hardly knew me but somehow he knew how to play the game. He texted me everysingle morning during the summer saying, good morning beautiful. I felt special, thought nothing of it. We hung out once or twice a week cause he lived a half and hour away from me. He never once wanted me to meet his family, never ever talked about them to me other then his dad as abusive. He tended to be abusive to me. He never ever let me see his phone a Locked his screen so I couldn’t get to it. One time I had gotten it unlocked and he had tackled me to the ground and pinned me there. He also talked about how we were going to get married. Experts say that Is a very bad sign. He started to talk about wanting to get very sexual with me and I won’t go into details about it but he knew FAR way to much information for my taste. My mom had read those messages, deleted them and told me to break off all communication with him. I broke it off and he tried to make me feel guilty and of course I did so I continue to talk to him on facebook (fb) but less and less each time. School had started by then, and he told me how he liked this cheerleader which made me scared feel her but nothing ever happened. I eventually got sick of him so I deleted him off of facebook and he went INSANE. He started to text me constantly!! Never ending texts saying that he wasn’t the same anymore. When I never responses he started to call me the devil and then two seconds later he told me he loved me. Signs of bipolar. He is now calling my house 24/7. He threatens me in texts saying what if you were to die tommorow? What if I showed up at your house? He somehow surveilences my house and on calls when he knows I am home? So I know he is a predatory stalker, intimacy, rejected and a sociopath. What am I to do? He won’t leave me alone!!
Call the police
Style1 I liked your pizza analogy – you were dead right to not be controlled by that man – I guarantee if you had spoken up to him he probably would have spat on your food.
I recall reading on Sandra Brown’s site that she said there are some women who will use their bad experience as a learning curve – they will read and learn all they can about pathology to arm themselves so they never make the same mistake again in the future. Then, there are those who just won’t ‘get it’ and will either go back to the harmful man or will meet someone else just as harmful or worse in future. Once we have been given the gift of clear sight, it is up to us to decide how to use it and how we will be treated in the future. I am using this to ensure I am never again treated badly in the future – I couldn’t go through another relationship like this.
Like you I married young and put aside dreams of travel and adventure to do the ‘wife’ thing – what a waste of time that was. I was never appreciated and was abused for many years. I didn’t get an inkling before the marriage, but when I look back now I can recognise red flags that I definitely should have seen – for most of us it takes seeing all the red flags in a pattern to contextualise them and realise this man is no good. I think now I have a three strike rule – one let down could be an accident, two could be a serious problem but three means they are dangerous for me. Had I applied this rule back then, I would have been away from him before we even married. Hindsight is priceless!
I am intrigued by your idea of wearing a band – I have always thought that had I had a big strong male relative sticking up for me he wouldn’t have dared to treat me as he did – but I could be wrong there. Pathology is pathology and it means he can never change. I have realised how much currency society puts into marriage for women. I was recently at a function and was introduced to a woman in her fifties. We exchanged names and basic greetings and then she asked me ‘Are you married?’ Someone else cut in and I pretended not to hear her so she repeated it! ANd then once more! I said ‘I am divorcing’ and she didn’t know what to say about that – she was embarrassed in front of the guests for asking so many times when she should have just left it alone.
It made me think though – it seems that the sole measure of success for a woman is being married and having kids. Yep popping out some genetic copies and being married to someone – anyone – no matter how they treat you and what that married life is like. Now it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to do either of those things – it doesn’t require intelligence, tact, hard work, dedication (well RAISING the children would but conceiving them doesn’t). Why didn’t she ask me about my career? Why didn’t she ask me what qualifications and experience I had? And why did she pointedly ask about marriage when she saw I clearly had no ring of any description on either hand? It seems that even though feminism has moved women’s opportunities ahead, there is still the expectation that if she’s successful she will have a man to stand behind. It made me really angry to be judged by her in front of so many people – she could have taken the hint and left it alone, but she kept going after it like a dog with a bone.
Situations like that make me realise just how vulnerable women on their own are … and I didn’t feel vulnerable or alone before that. It’s the same on social networking sites – everyone flashing their pictures of babies and kids as though that is the sole highlight achievement of their lives. I have a friend who has had her wedding pic up as a profile pic for nearly eight months – she’s just so proud to be married. I was as well unfortunately. She also prefaces every status update with ‘my wonderful darling husband…’ – seems she has lost her identity as a woman since she married. When she got married she put up an update saying ‘XXX says to a friend it is better to be alone than with someone who doesn’t love you.’ I can only assume that was meant for me – she knew my situation at the time. I felt it was rubbing salt in the wound.
So women do it too. Women rub in how ‘blissfully happy’ they are in marriage and motherhood without a thought for those of us who’s dreams have been destroyed. They also tend to treat you differently when you are single. I felt funny in socialising with married friends after the split – they tended to be very protective of their partners almost as though insinuating I might try to steal them – ha! Fat chance! Most of them are revolting! I am excluded from lots of events because I have no partner and I even had a friend ask me not to bring a partner to a wedding as they were trying to cut down on numbers (needless to say I didn’t go). I know for a fact had I still been with the P, there is no way that request would have been made – the friend saw it as an opportunity to save money regardless of my feelings about attending alone. That made me angry for quite a while. But it’s just stupidity – I try now not to let it get to me.
In negotiating with the P to finalise our divorce etc, I am enforcing strict boundaries and not tolerating manipulation. I now spell out what he is doing in plain and graphic language and tell him I won’t accept it = I then state what I will accept. Life is running more to my preferences now – I am not used to having them or stating them or pursuing them after the P, but I am getting there quickly. I won’t let anyone push me around now – I learned the lesson and I never want to return for more learning!
Polly…..
Women rub in how ’blissfully happy’ they are in marriage and motherhood without a thought for those of us who’s dreams have been destroyed.
I know from experience with friends… people “appear” to be blissfully happy its BS…. no marriage is perfect or blissfully happy…people want you to “think” they have it better… it aint so….we dont know what happens behind closed doors.. and people want us to think they are happier than we are… just my opinions….
Polly…..
Women rub in how ’blissfully happy’ they are in marriage and motherhood without a thought for those of us who’s dreams have been destroyed.
I know from experience with friends… people “appear” to be blissfully happy its BS…. no marriage is perfect or blissfully happy…people want you to “think” they have it better… it aint so….we dont know what happens behind closed doors.. and people want us to think they are happier than we are… just my opinions….
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Oxy darling, any news lately of NewLily? I hope she hasnt topped herself. I have written to her, sent a silk scarf,but heard nothing. Do you think if you rang the hospital where she had her op. they would be able to follow up on her? Im worried about her. Love, Gem.XXWith her family of spath kids and spath sisters and spath brother, and spath ex husband!!! Its a wonder shes still alive. !
fahrahri,
Take care of yourself.. you are feeling the void and it hurts.. so fill it up with things that you like and want to do for you… like working out, hot baths…reading.. watching what you want on TV.. going to movies.. walking around looking and shopping.. go to a park… just do things… at first when I was feeling the void and it seemed like I had been torn off and placed on some edge… I got all of his stuff out of my house.. I redid a bedroom.. just like I wanted it.. I moved things around.. I cleaned.. I just kept busy.. I talked to girlfriends… It wasn’t until just recently that I got on here and begin to read and read to understand more and more…and incorporate it into my being.. as a solid understanding..
Then one early morning during the holidays.. I felt him sleeping beside me.. it was wierd. I opened my eyes and fully expected him to be here.. we spent the two previous holidays together… just get through it… and don’t contact him because it will set you back..
early on he and I communicated and it got more and more ugly.. and while I could barely stand to talk to him, I still missed him at times.. bizarre.. but we spent a great deal of time togehter so maybe not so bizarre..then I went though a time that I missed him and kinda of wanted him back.. and I realized that he had gone on… I felt really left.. when I wanted him to go.. it is complex.. but write down all the negatives about him.. and how bad he was for you… I think back to that and it shifts me…
Very true Spirit – i was about to write that too lol No relationship is that happy, but I have always been careful not to hurt people who are single with my happiness if in a relationship – I will continue to do that in future too. Not everyone is happy being single and not everyone is happy in their relationship.
Style – mine was ugly towards the end too – I knew what he was and he made my skin crawl – he wanted to remain like flatmates as though nothing had happened – WTF? And thought he should be able to stay for as long as he liked although it was well over by then. I couldn;t stand to be in the same room as him and yet I would get terribly sad when he talked about leaving – strange huh? I think a lot of it was fear of the unknown and me doubting if I could cope alone. It only took a few days of being alone to get more used to it and within about a week my thinking was becoming clearer and I started to feel stronger.
Fahrahri you will be the same hopefully – within a short time you will start enjoying your life without his toxins in it. It surprised me how quickly it turned around – I wrote every night about incidents I recalled where he did me wrong and now I have close to two hundred pages – I definitely don’t want him back now. I know in my heart and soul there is no hope for him and everything he presented to me was an illusion and false. It takes a little time to get this realisation deep within your bones, but keep reading and writing and posting and you will get there. I always remind myself too of how much worse it could have been – we talked about buying more houses and setting up businesses together – my situation at present is bad but not irretrievable – it could have been so much worse. Those who have children with a SPN have a much harder road to travel than me – once we are sorted with legalities I don;t ever have to see him or hear from him again – that’s a blessing!
After 4 years of dating a sociopath I decided to end it. I could no longer tolerate the lies, cheating, and mistrust. The relationship was toxic and I did not like the woman I had become. I lost myself in this relationship and became insecure and paranoid. I ignored the red flags, didn’t listen to myself, family or friends and it ended up causing me to waste 4 years of my life to him.
I’m currently in therapy and moving forward with my life.
I’m posting my red flags that come from my own personal experience in hopes that if another woman in a relationship with a sociopath will recognize one of the red flags and have a wake up call before it’s too late.
• Lies about age
• Lies about graduating from college- cannot produce a degree
• Never answers cell phone when he was out- excuses he gives are could not hear it ringing or left it in car
• Cell phone never rings when you are together- always has phone on silent, vibrate or off
• Does not tell you where he works or gives you any work information such as phone number, email address, work website, business card etc.-cannot product a paycheck stub
• Never introduces you to family or friends
• Never wants to meet your family or friends
• When you spend time together it’s only you two by yourselves. Never with other people
• Never spends time with you on important holidays
• Never likes to make plans with you in advance
• Tries to make you feel guilty when you spend time with family or friends
• Does not like you to have any male friends.
• Always accuses you of being attracted to or sleeping with male friends or coworkers.
• Jekyll & Hyde personality- bi-polar- mood swings- nice one moment jerk the next-very passive aggressive
• Always walking on egg shells with him- not wanting to set off his Jekyll & Hyde personality
• Has no compassion or empathy for others
• Does not offer to help others in need
• Does not believe in giving to charities or doing volunteer work
• Always spending beyond his means
• Always saying he is broke when you want to go out, but then somehow manages to have money when he goes out
• Always making big purchases such as electronic items, jewelry, cars etc.. Needing to always have the latest & greatest.
• Never pays bills on times
• Has bills under parents name or friends, room mates, etc.
• Borrowing money from friends, family or you
• Switches banks on a regular basis
• When you catch him in a lie he becomes defensive and tries to turn it around on you
• Tries to make you feel like you’re crazy or have a bad memory when his stories are not matching up.
• Never asks you to spend the night at his place
• Does not like you to make unannounced visits to his place- you may catch him cheating
• Tells you constantly that he wants to get you pregnant-his way of keeping you around
• Tells you that his exes are crazy, psycho or they all left or cheated on him
• Does not want to add you to any of his social networking sites
• Does not ever want you to take pictures of you two or post them to your social network sites
• Always has an excuse or explanation that is outlandish
• Any hobbies he may have are ones that can be done solo & have very to little social interaction
• Thinks he is intellectually superior to everyone even you
• Everything about his life is a secret
I also picked out other red flags from other list on here that pertained to me.
15) He thinks absolutely NOTHING of lying and will take advantage of anyone at anytime if it furthers his goals
16) You have never met anyone like him”he does things that no one else does”his behavior is simply outrageous to others and they shake their heads and say what GALL!
20) He says things that simply make NO sense and you, as a rational, logical person, just cannot quite figure it out
Wanting to be FRIENDS with his ex GFs (who it turned out he was still either sleeping with them, trying to get them BACK (all at the time he was dating me)
TALES OF TAKING VENGENCE on people who have offended him in the past, or wanting to get vengence on someone who has currently offended him.
* lots of people asked me if he was gay ”“ have seen hints of this in other people’s posts too and wondering if bisexualism is a feature of psychopathy??