Last week Lovefraud posted an article that described one woman’s experience of romantic manipulation by a sociopath. Another reader responded with advice.
This woman had been married to a narcissist, which in many ways is similar to a sociopath. Once she divorced him and started dating again, she relied on a list of red flags. “If I saw even ONE flag, the guy was OUT of my life, period,” she says. Here is her list.
Red flags
1) Needing to be around you as much as possible and knowing where you are at all times.
2) Refusing to have any meaningful social life, even with his own family.
3) Telling you what to wear and advising what is “appropriate clothing” for you.
4) Requesting that you spend all your free time with him and NONE with friends. (In the beginning, you can see friends on a limited basis, but he has to be there.)
5) Absolutely NO male friends or hugging any male.
6) Dictating what you look like, i.e., you should wear glasses instead of contact lenses, less makeup, less jewelry, etc.
7) No more going to the gym, men might look at you there while exercising.
8 ) Outright anger when you join a church or any other “institution.” The REAL issue is…he is afraid a priest or other “authority” will tell you what to do and “control” you.
9) Encouraging you to engage in unhealthy habits like not losing weight. They use these “bad habits” later to criticize you.
10) You cannot be “too friendly.” People might get the “wrong idea,” especially MEN.
11) You have the feeling of walking on eggshells, waiting for a blow-up if you say the wrong thing or say the right thing in a way he does not like.
12) You know he thinks he is smarter and better than others by his almost constant criticism of others…words like “idiot” and “slow learner” are a common part of his everyday language as he discusses others.
13) He loves the thrill of a good “fight” with nearly anyone, but when he perceives himself as the loser, he is a very poor one and there are always rationalizations for WHY he lost and they have nothing to do with HIM, of course.
14) He acts like he cares what you think, gives lip service to being “liberal” and open minded but his actions are the opposite.
15) He thinks absolutely NOTHING of lying and will take advantage of anyone at anytime if it furthers his goals.
16) You have never met anyone like him”¦he does things that no one else does…his behavior is simply outrageous to others and they shake their heads and say what GALL!
17) The rules do NOT EVER apply to him…he is above them.
18) He resents, on many levels, having to care for his children unless a woman is around to take on most of the “burden.”
19) He often “forgets” what he is supposed to do for his children (especially when it involves anything to do with money).
20) He says things that simply make NO sense and you, as a rational, logical person, just cannot quite figure it out.
21) He shows up with no notice at your job or home (no common sense of courtesy).
22) When he thinks he is being rejected, he calls, emails, comes to your home or job obsessively and often actually stalks.
23) Early in the relationship you are his “whole world” and he does not want to spend any time with anyone but you.
24) He seldom thanks anyone for anything.
25) These men are VERY adept at fooling others”¦everyone thinks they are just great and love you so much”¦BEWARE!
By the way, the woman who compiled—and applied—this list of red flags has healed and met a wonderful man who is now her fiancé.
Mariposa that was like looking at a rundown of my Pex – just about every sign you wrote I experienced right down to people asking me if he was gay – I have also wondered if bisexuality or a leaning that way is a feature of the disorder. The P in my instance did not cheat on me (at least not that I know of) but always was secretive and had hobbies that did not include me. He also had to have the latest and greatest technical equipment and spent his money this way leaving me to see to all the household accounts.
He never planned, never wanted to spend special occasions together, refused to have / take photos, didn’t plan holidays or outings together and didn’t consult with me on major decisions. He looked down on everyone else (even though he frequently sabotaged his own life and didn’t m ake smart decision or pursue smart action plans – no plans at all!). He also told me his ex cheated on him – all her fault. Didn’t introduce me to his family and resented having to spend time with mine. Didn’t introduce me to any of his friends and didn’t want me to spend any time with mine. All activities were ‘just the two of us’. Talked constantly about pregnancy / children but actually couldn’t talk to children in real life – was always uncomfortable around them. Never gave to charity or volunteered, no empathy, no compassion for others, no remorse when he hurt me or was caught out on lies. Absolutely unbelievable behaviour – totally selfish. Seemed to take pleasure in hurting me as he did it repeatedly and took no notice of my tears and pain. Crazy crazy situation. I was with him almost a decade and totally lost any sense of myself. It has been a long road to get back to some semblance of normality and I feel I will never be the same again.
Thanks for posting these – I am sure many people will relate to what you have written. Glad to hear you are healing from this – it is a long process.
Pollyannamore- It’s good to know that I am not alone in what I have experienced. It’s hard to explain to my friends and family what I’ve been through because it wasn’t a normal relationship with the common ups and downs. It is going to be a long process to recover from this and I’m looking forward to the future. I find comfort in coming to this site and knowing that others understand what I’ve been through and it makes me not feel so alone.
Just out of curiousity….
The S always had a ‘natural’ scowl on his face….sitting, driving, working….whatever….
The kind of look where you would ask….Is something bothering you?
Not inviting at all….made people around him feel uncomfortable…..ofcourse, this was when he didn’t have the schmooze look on his face with the forced smile and the fake hahaha.
You know some people have a natural ‘smile’ or concentration look or just a plain commone look on thier face…..
BUT A NATURAL SCOWL?
Anyone else experience this?
OMG….RED FLAG!!!!
I just remembered S saying….28 years ago…..
He took ballet……because the classes were filled with fragile women.
Oh, think of the pain I could have averted…..
JK….got my kids and a lifetime of lessons! (AND NONE OF THEM WERE BALLET!)
A scowling Spatherina.?????????
EB maybe he liked wearing tights to show off his short comings? Or maybe he had a thing for guys on the side>? Did you ever suspect that?
oh yeah – he had a scowl on his face like he would rather be anywhere than with me.. and those eyes were so black and empty and cold – I can see alot by looking in a persons eyes – i can see in to your soul – i love eyes – his were empty,,but what I will never forget is the way he slept – contorted and unatural and like he was in tormented pain….
Poly – I am just rambling dont know your whole story but from your above post I would say he definatley cheated on you and if you suspected gay issues I bet he did that too. Sociopaths are not str8 or gay they will do anyone or anything….that is why I avoid folks who claim to be bi-sexual..
Uh, yeah…..
He went to city college culinary school and there was a real cute french dude that was ‘teachers pet’ in his class…..he would spend the night at this guys house…..they would drink and whatever….he called me one morning, saying he HAD to sleep in tony’s bed…..because he lived with his mother and blah , blah,….
he said he woke up and tony’s hands were in his pants….But his excuse was, I was drunk……he never admitted to doing anything….
Of course he was freaked out and I bought right into it….because he was my boyfriend…..I would never suspect a man dating a woman being gay and 28 years ago…..bi wasn’t something I knew or heard much about.
But I gave WAY TOO MUCH CREDIT to this thougth…..if you date a woman you can’t be gay!!!! How misguided!
Hens….yeah, he did guys! I found this out from a woman who he did her boyfriend….the rich dude from florida that hid him during our divorce, gave him money, paid for his attorney etc….
Well….NOTHING COMES FOR FREE!!!
And the package….yeah….not much to speak of….It was fine….that’s it.
This ‘dude’ scenario…..repeated itself with foreigners for years….and years……all with me thinking he just liked the friendship of someone exptic to brag about…..
No….it was the packages he liked! Have NO DOUBT!!!
Hens:
I totally agree with the eyes….
I look for that too….part of my ‘poll’ of watching people I susepct….in the news, or around me…..
I have to say….have you seen the new vanity fair cover of tiger woods??? CHECK OUT THOSE EYES……
Helllloooooooooo.
I thot my x was gay – WRONG~! I have proof..he was bangin the ole hag down the road until her husband caught them and he beat the crap out of her and told my X not to come on his property ever again. I thot they was friends, my x and the old hag – I was so in denial…took me a very long time to get over the embarrasment and humiliation of loving such a piece of scum – slimy slimy slimy scum…hope nobodys up reading my rambles