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Questions to ask yourself when you want to go after a sociopath
By Fred Dunsing, Attorney at Law
Fred Dunsing profile in the Lovefraud Professional Resources Guide
I’m not a psychologist or a psychiatrist or a counselor. I’m a lawyer. Therefore, I’m wholly unqualified to write about sociopaths and the specifics of their mental health disorder.
I do, however, understand the definition of sociopath and generally understand what constitutes sociopathic behavior. I have seen many of these individuals during my years in practice as a family law attorney, and I can say that most of the sociopaths I have come in contact with have been within the context of fraudulent relationships. Most of these individuals have been men (although I must admit that I represent mainly women in my practice).
These individuals have been textbook cases. Men who look for recently single and/or otherwise vulnerable women that have what they need – usually money, credit, sex, or the ability to provide them with children. Generally, their whole lives are lies. Their education, military service, jobs, assets, friends, and even marital status are fabricated.
What has struck me in these cases is that these individuals often share other characteristics. They are often controlling. They are usually supreme narcissists. They have such an inflated and unrealistic view of their own intelligence and abilities that they think they are smarter than everyone else – police, lawyers, judges, and especially the women they victimize. This attitude is always their downfall.
Of the cases I have taken to trial involving these personality types, these individuals have not only always lost, but have always lost in a big way. They lose because of their utterly unjustified opinion of themselves, and of their abilities to con other people. They lose when they finally pick the wrong person who won’t just go away. Someone finally takes them “to the mat” all the way through the legal process. In the context of outright fraud or theft, that may mean the police and the local district attorney. In the context of a child custody or divorce case, that may mean taking it all the way through a civil trial.
These people are predators, but in their minds, they’ve done nothing wrong. They don’t believe a case will ever go to trial because they will outsmart or frustrate any court or lawyer and at the very least, they will convince the victim to drop the case – it’s just another con to them.
But the end of the road for these people is usually when they victimize a strong or determined person. The cases that typically are the most successful are those that involve women who were willing work countless hours to research and document the lies and the damage long before going to see a lawyer. It becomes a mission with them. And even after a lawyer explains the weaknesses of the legal system, these victims all have a common characteristic – they are not going to be victimized and they going to make sure that the sociopath never does it again to anyone else.
Now, this is often easier said than done. In most cases, it is expensive. The cost of the necessary discovery and litigation can be incredibly high. Moreover, the impact on the victim’s personal life during the period of litigation can be devastating.
In my experience, a person who is contemplating taking a sociopath “to the mat” needs to answer the following questions: 1) Do I have the financial resources to pursue this course of action? 2) Am I willing to put my family through the process? 3) What are my goals? Am I seeking some measure of justice? Am I doing this for my family? Am I doing this to teach the sociopath a lesson? Am I doing this for myself?
There is an old adage that most everyone has heard, “you can spell principle two ways – with an ”˜al’ and with an ”˜le.'” It’s OK to spell it with an “le.” You are entitled to seek justice. You are entitled to stand on your principles. You just have to understand that in our legal system, it usually costs you money (principal spelled with an “al”). You also have to understand that in some instances, judgments against sociopaths may not worth the paper they are written on – particularly if the assets taken have already been squandered and the damage has already been done. You can’t collect on judgments if you can’t find the assets to execute on.
It is, however, an entirely a different situation when the stakes are not just missing property or ruined credit, but instead are whether helpless children will be exposed to a sociopath or even worse, raised by one.
Rosa….
I believe Mr. Matt is starting the new gig on Monday…..
Yes, I heard that, as well.
I want to nominate Matt for something…..Most Inspiring LF Member???
Something….I can’t put my finger on it right now…..It will come to me.
Hey, Rosa, how about we give him a “golden skillet award so that he can BOINK all his opponents ikn court and WIN every case!
BTW Matt, what kind of law do you practice anyway? What’s yer special niche! I still think you sould do family law! I hope now that YOU will be in DC that the population improves, at least there will BE ONE HONEST LAWYER in the city! ROTFLMAO
So guys,
Help check me out here-
So he left the computer up on his my space page when the marshals hauled him off to jail.
Then he called with the password to his email and som excuse about me going there and I saw what was going on.
The next thing is please take a list of contacts from the cell phone which is where all the body part photos are from his many admirers.
Sounds to me like this is his game. Like this is a discard phase and that the deal is I am supposed to see all this stuff and then go to him for explanation because there is more here than meets the eye because he loves me so much?
That none of the information I can see is true unless it came from him?
I don’t understand why he wants the cell phone numbers so badly if he can’t call me because there is no money in the account so somebody is paying for his phone calls from jail.
If there is more than a little psycho drama going on here, How would I clue into it?
Help me out with a where are we in his game eval?
Dear Silvermoon,
Henry put his X’s cell phone in the microwave. I think it was 8 seconds.
Whatever it is he wants (lists or whatever) I would be sure he did NOT get them UNLESS you want to give them to the DA as EVIDENCE of a crime. (*Kiddy porn or anything like that will get him some federal time just for possessing it.)
I think he is wanting to contact some of these women (as supply) to ask for money for phone calls, bail or whatever.
As I understand it prisoners can only call from jail either collect or on some kind of prepaid card…well, do not answer his calls. NC. What you do with his coomputer or any thing else that was ABANDONED at your house is up to you, I would think. He isn’t renting storage from you is he?
What was he arrested for and hauled off from your house for? I mean the CRIME he committed that will get him six whole months! I can’t remember if you said (CRS)
Of course there is DRAMA there and JAIL is a lot worse than prison in many ways according to folks who “know”—just nothing much to do and lots of not so nice guys in there with you all jostling for “space” and “power” so I imagine he is pretty well scared chitless. My son was more severely beaten in jail than in prison where the handling is done a bit differently. So your X may be freaking his head off in there, I ijmagine he is unless he is some BIG TOUGH BIKER DUDE that looks tough enough no one will bother him.
That ought to give you some satisfaction at least. Without his list of phone numbers he is dead in the water….if he ain’t got ’em memorized and doesn’t have anyoone to send him $$$ he is SOL!
LOL!
Well, I am only waiting to find out what to do with his stuff. I am warned that I could be sued for destruction or loss but am finding out that no one seems to have any responsibility to come and get it either.
Not backing up on the NC at all. And it makes sense that he is looking for someone to fill the void.
He got hauled out on a parole violation. As I understand it, there is earlier history, I just don’t know what it is right now. It looks like he had to have been stupid before 1995 to be eligible for parole at all. So whatever was going on it had a statute of limitations longer than seven years. This and his whole history turned out to be news to me along with the other women!
I was just curious about whether what I am seeing is the devaluation activity that people were talking about?
Freaking his head off? Hmm That would be normal. I don’t think that is what we are dealing with. Walk in the Park he called it.
It just popped into my head that he’d left a lot behind and that by leaving his advertisement as a single guy in plain sight for me when he left the house that morning and writing to ask for the cell numbers were just too obvious. I was appalled by what is in those pics. And from so many different ones! They were all invitations for sure.
Like it was planned and spiteful.
I suspect that if he thought he could get money and attention from somewhere else he has done it because he was getting a great deal of attention right under MY nose. I doubt he’d be dependent on me now.
All he got from me was served to end our supposed legal relationship.
I have no idea what he might be up to and I don’t know if I should be worried or if anyone else might be interested?
Silvermoon, I was just curious what his CRIME was (the original one besides parole violation) Most states don’t WANT to violate someone unless they are totally a throw off cause they have to put them back inside, have a revocation hearing and generate a lot of paper work as well as have to find another prison bed.
States are catching financial lhell right now because of prison over crowding though prison pops are at an all time record high in number sand percentage of population. They are trying to release more but are releasxing too many VIOLENT offenders.
I am working right now to get my P-son’s parole review NIXed again and a 5 year set off (before he will come up for another review) He has a “life” sentence but it was before 1996 so he got reviewed at 15 years, given a 4 year set off, so Jan of 2011 will be his 4 year review. I’m learning all about paroles and what they are looking for to release an inmate. I think there is little chance that he will get out, ,and have hopes that he will get a 4 or 5 year set off, though my egg donor is hiring him an attorney to try to present a postive face on his incarceration though he has been frequently violent with other inmates, smuggled in contraband, spent lots of time in solitary and has been diagnosed as ASPD.
Just the “shock value” of the inmate’s mother hiring an attorney to try to get his parole NIXed is probably going to be a BIG factor itself. Plus, I hired the BEST attorney at this parole thing (though he is usually on the other side of the blanket).
I hope your P spends as much time inside as possible, and I would find out what the laws are in your state and city about “stored” goods and when they can be disposed of and how. I know you are not required to keep someone’s STUFF forever for free taking up your space.
Hi everyone. I’m a newbe here, this being my first post. I’ve been reading the information on this website for a while now, and I have to say “Thank you”.
I’m a 50 years old woman, the youngest of 7 kids. My oldest sister “M” matches nearly every item on the list of sociopathic traits. My parents, siblings and I have spent our whole lives trying to understand her. Your tag “no heart, no conscience, no remorse” has been used by all of us to describe her thousands of times.
My childhood memories are predominantly painful. Surfaced by “M”‘s accounting that I was the “Mistake”, never wanted. The baby who nearly killed her mother. Her burdon. She was “forced to care for (me)”, because my mother only wanted 6 kids. I was made to feel guilty for having been born.
She was equally abusive to my other siblings, always critical, quick to point out and dwell on our weaknesses & shortcomings. Beyond the typical “kid stuff” of teasing and name calling. Her abuse was always cruel and she seemed to enjoy it. But what always stood out to me, was her abuse of my mother.
At a very young age, I remember making a conscious decision to hold my sister (M) as an example for me. She was my example of what NOT to be. Everything about her seemed wronge. When I believed in such things, I often thought of her as “the devil”. She brought so much chaos, pain, and unrest into my family. I could not wait for the day I would finish High school, so I could move far away. I did so 12 days after graduation.
In spite of my best efforts, “M” still affects my life. I live more than 1200 miles from her. Five of my other siblings still live near her, and our parents’ home. “M” has spent her life manipulating, lying, cheating and making every effort to destroy the very fabric of our family. Any time there is strife in our family, she is at the core of it.
My Dad died ten year ago, which gave “M” Cart Blanche in the abuse department. Dad was the one to call her out on her crap. While the rest of us rolled our eyes with the tellings of her rediculous stories, lies, and cons. Dad would challange her. He’d call her out when she was abusive, especially to my mom. But since his passing things have gotten much worse.
My mother is 91 years old, and still pretty sharp. But for as long as I can recall, “M” would have her think she’s the stupidest person to ever walk the Earth. (My mom was a lieutenant commander in the US Navy, during WW2, and a registered nurse). “M” has always seemed to enjoy making my mom cry, feel like a failure as a mother, and a “dingbat”. In fact, I have never heard “M” even offer the respect of calling her “Mom” or mother, etc. she has always used a slang or insulting tag to address her.
While I can’t get into the full or recent history of her evil doings, in this first posting, I hope to find solice by sharing my experiences and perspective of this Horrible excuse for a human being. I hope to shed my own guilt, for harboring such feelings af hatred and distane for my own sister. For so many times she has made me question my own sanity, my own memory, my own moral compass, while emotionally torturing my mother and one of my sisters (and her children). I want to tell the world “I hate M”, and not feel guilty about it!
So thank you for this website, this blog, and the sense of enlightenment I have felt in reviewing the contents posted here. I am not alone!
Ox, I am told something about fraud and firearms – I am still waiting for a report that might give me the detail information.
I know he had prior convictions before then because the last round had to do with posession of firearms by a felon, but right now I don’t know what. The parole was Federal.
Its unerving not to be able to put the pieces together but the whole story is not easily available.
As I understand it, were the situation to be so that there are concurrent wives, it would be up to us to pursue the prosecution in taking the action and bearing the expense for such action. And if we (or I) were to do so this man might have a longer visit. That may not be feasible.
Today, I am the mercy of the services I have hired and as of this time, know no more than that.
Dear No.7,
Welcome to LF and glad you are here, but sorry that you NEED TO BE HERE, but it is a good place to be if you must come here! If that makes any sense! It has saved my life.
I am the mother of a psychopathic son, and I feel for your mother and also for you and your sibs.
The fact that she is your sister doesn’t make her any less entitled to your respect or consideration. She is a DEVIL, you are right there. I am not sure how your family dynamics are but obviously she is still there making trouble. That is part of the things that we hate about these people is the trouble they make for those people we love and we essentially stand helplessly by, unable to do anythingn about it. I don’t doubt that you hate her, or doubt that you have plenty of reason to.
Stay around here and read and read and read some more, learn about HER and WHAT she IS, but also learn about yourself and the dynamics of the family. Obviously if you escaped, you have a good head on your shoulders and are strong. Put that good head and that strength to work for yourself and your other family if you can do it, but PUT YOURSELF FIRST! God bless you and your mom.