Sitting with an antisocial or sociopathic client is an interesting experience—for a while, anyway, until it grows tedious”¦almost boring. There is the initial curiosity about, and fascination with, the client’s antisocial behaviors”¦their nature”¦breadth.
Perhaps there’s even a certain rubbernecking interest in the train-wreck of moral turpitude these clients present—with their staggering patterns of ethical and moral debaseness. Admittedly, it can be breathtaking, on certain levels, to behold the magnitude of their abuse of others’ boundaries and dignity, accompanied by missing feelings of accountability and remorse.
And the interest in the experience with such clients persists a bit longer when you are dealing with someone who is “intelligent.” There’s something just inherently more compelling, at least initially, about an “intelligent” sociopath who guiltlessly transgresses others in the gross, chronic way that sociopaths do, versus the less intelligent sociopath, whose intellectual limitations seem to dim, however unfairly, the spectacular nature of his violations.
But after a while, as I say, sitting with the sociopathic client, however intelligent he may even be, grows tedious. It’s not unlike the experience of discovering that someone you expected to find extremely interesting (and perhaps did, initially) is, at bottom, really a boring individual with little to say or offer. There’s something anti-climactically disappointing in the discovery of the individual’s gross limitations.
With most sociopathic personalities, in my experience, this sense of disillusionment—of of having to face the reality, ultimately, of their emotional vacuity—occurs in the work with them. As different in temperament and intelligence as they may be, ultimately sociopaths prove to be highly ungratifying clients to work with. This is because, regardless of their ability to talk the talk, they are, ultimately, unable to make themselves genuinely accountable for their actions, the fact of which, after a while, simply grows tiresome.
The sociopathic client just doesn’t feel, in a heart-felt way, so many of the things he “allegedly” is ready to own, or the reforms he is “allegedly” ready to make; and when this becomes clear—as it always does—a certain tedium, boredom enters the sessions.
This boredom, I think, arises in the recognition of the futility of making a real connection with the sociopath; also in the futility of his making any sort of real connection to the pain he’s caused others, and will continue to cause others, despite his superficial assertions of regret and remorse.
And so this is where the big yawns threaten to emerge with regularity. It’s the feeling of having your time wasted, which is exactly what the sociopath is doing. He is wasting your time, as he wastes everything from which he doesn’t derive a personally, selfishly compelling benefit.
It is that moment of untruth—that moment when it becomes clear that, no matter how verbally interesting and, perhaps, even engaging he may be, the sociopathic individual finally lacks anything substantive to say, feel, or aspire to. Lacking this substance, the possibly initially engaging experience with him yields, ultimately, to the sense of being futilely engaged with an emotional cipher.
That is, for a while his charisma, charm and engaging qualities, if they are present, may compensate for the missing underlying emotional substance. But there is a shelf-life for this compensatory entertainment before the tedium of his barren inner emotional life begins to weigh down the experience of him. There is a limit to hearing the same repetitive pronouncements of intended change, pseudo remorse and responsibility.
There is also a limit, beyond which it becomes increasingly oppressive to sit with the sociopath, who in one breath may claim responsibility for his violations of others, while in the very next withdraw his pseudo-assumption of responsibility and abruptly rationalize the very behavior that, only moments before, he seemingly repudiated?
This is the sociopath at work. Sitting with him can be an interesting experience. But as his particular, underlying emotional disability surfaces, the interest leads, surpisingly quickly, to a feeling of ennui”¦almost oppression.
(This article is copyrighted © 2011 by Steve Becker, LCSW. My use of male gender pronouns is for convenience’s sake only and not to suggest that females aren’t capable of the behaviors and attitudes discussed.)
Shock
It would be hard to discern ANYTHING they’re thinking at any given moment, who knows?
I had a very enlightening meeting today on behalf of another child (not mine) who is in treatment for a particular issue (will not say what here). I offered to be a support system, but on a limited basis. I laid out the boundaries to which I was willing to do this and expected absolute cooperation. First sign of trouble, GONE!
I sat with two therapists and this child, as well as my son, to make this happen.
What an enlightening and very powerful meeting. The SHARING of information with validation, not being told I’m WRONG was amazing to me. It felt sooooo much different than ANY conversation with my ex spath. One of the things I recognized right away was the DEPTH of the conversation…as well as in the SHARING of information….a willingness on BOTH Sides to learn from the other. VERY powerful for me after years of running into a brick wall.
This is an incredibly difficult, but also eye opening time for me. Still sorting through so much garbage….but actually having contact with the outside world and being VALIDATED means EVERYTHING to me right now. I realized how important validation is for my recovery.
It makes it SO hard that I was the OW. Just like in therapy the other day….my exPOS ENJOYED that I felt like a whore. That he treated me as such. That was the intent. I’ll NEVER forget the look in my therapists eyes the other day when I described this to him…red faced and pissed off, “THAT”S BULLSHIT!” I realized today, while having this incredible exchange that my spath wanted me to believe I was a whore. A no good. Nothing without him validating me. ALL OF IT, bullshit!!! A projection never spoken yet acted upon. All a result of the endless amounts of drama and pain he caused……….because he is empty…a void…they need the drama, the constant, erratic need for stimulation……to survive the hellish, evil individuals they are..
GOD it felt SO GOOD, to be VALIDATED!!!
LL
@skylar: “Maybe they slime us with their boredom so they don’t have to feel it alone.”
I *love* that line! You could replace the word “boredom” in that line with any one of a number of negative feelings and the quote would still work!
@Oxy
I totally hear you about surgeons. I worked in a hospital for years; we had an internationally respected surgical dept. so they weren’t *all* like that, but they were certainly common enough to provide years worth of ‘work stories’! It seemed to be true as well for the other doctors who also wielded a scalpel from time to time (particularly obstetricians/gynecologists).
I eventually changed to the Financial Services industry. Turns out that traders have an almost identical personality profile to surgeons! And I’d hazard a guess that the ratio is even higher in that profession. They don’t hire them for their personalities – that’s for sure!
yes, shocknawe- i definetely think that clueing ourselves into their “true nature” awakens several and continuously emerging “Ah-HA!” moments that certainly seems to help clear the fog. It IS good, refreshing to know that it WASN’T US, IT WAS NEVER US- it was them, as hard as they may have tried to have us believe otherwise. I guess what is really grieved, then- is the TIME that was STOLEN from us. That may prove to be difficult to get through… the precious time and energy which we could have spent elsewhere. To them, it is just another day in the life- scamming, manipulating, ruining.. they’ve got nothing better to do, and it is quite pathetic any way you look at it.
Dear Steve, Thank you for this timely post. I read the article from Ravenless before I read your’s because the title spoke to me. Now after having read both, I know God is directing me.
The SP whom I have really not been in contact with except briefly(30 seconds or less). called me today. WHY I SAY to my self why now after 4 months no contact. I know why–he didn’t destroy me the first time.
Boring—you hit the nail on the head and slammed it home with one swing.
I WILL NOT allow him to waste any more of my time. He is alone now and is seeking comfort and someone to listen to his “poor pitiful me” story. What a crock and how absolutely trite and boring. The dandruff on my dog is more interesting. Your post and Ravenless are so timely for me personally. I am so grateful to both of you for your time and generousity. Thank you very much. Peace.
Ox,
I agree with you about surgeons too. I think I addressed this in another thread somewhere else with you from a medical care perspective….the frightening reality that my health would be in the hands of someone like this.
Am I correct in saying that you’d trust someone like this with your health rather than someone who was not sociopathic vs. “normal” (PLEASE correct me if I am INCORRECT), as I cannot recall the thread nor the reasons for this, just that I recall there was a reason for the answer you gave about it as to the reasons why? Is it because a psycho would be more likely to gleen a “great image” via being a “Great surgeon”? In other words, for them it’s an IMAGE/MONETARY ONLY issue??
Please clarify this for me!
LL
LL
Would I be in very VERY big trouble here if I said that I think Sandra Brown (as well as Donna and everyone else here) really GETS the P/S/N stuff?
I ordered her book, “women who love psychopaths” which led me to her website and column. IT is SO right on, as it is here…
Has anyone read the book here and what do you think of her?
.LL
dancingnancies:
I’m right there with you. I read and closed the book on her — as Steve says,”(S)he is, at bottom, really a boring individual with little to say or offer.” But I think of those wasted years and I wish I could turn the Wayback machine on and get them back — especially since it was before the great recession.
As it is, I slog through the Motions and Orders to Compel, and through them am forced to relive something that now has the polar opposite reaction in my memory than it did before my awakening. There’s no joy in sifting through the ashes, only hard won wisdom.
LL, I am not a fan of Sandra Brown….I do not believe she is the expert she presents herself to be. I have a copy of the first version of the book she co-wrote with Dr. Leedom which I think is excellent. I have not seen the version of a book by the same name she later came out with on her own.
That is all I will say on the matter of Sandra Brown.
On surgeons, I would go to whatever surgeon I thought was an expert in his/her field regardless of how narcissistic I thought they were. For a primary care physician or specialist in any other field, I would not generally continue go to a narcissistic physician.
LL,
I’m with Oxy re: Sandra Brown. Personally, I was very disappointed with Women who Love Psychopaths and do not agree she gets the s/p/n. I think what she gets is that it’s a great best selling category. But if she makes sense for you, then that’s all that matters.
BTW, did ya notice? You should be experiencing deja vu. Your therapist is channeling ME.
Shock,
The awful realization that I had WASTED 25 years of my precious life hit me in the stomach like a lead weight. I had to find a way to make sense of it. That’s when I decided to learn all I could about spaths. It was the only thing I had a head start on. So I learned and the more I learned, the more I realized that I had more to learn about ME. And that this was what was meant to happen to reveal my own flaws to me. Too bad it took 25 years but that also is a clue about who I am: much too patient.