Sitting with an antisocial or sociopathic client is an interesting experience—for a while, anyway, until it grows tedious”¦almost boring. There is the initial curiosity about, and fascination with, the client’s antisocial behaviors”¦their nature”¦breadth.
Perhaps there’s even a certain rubbernecking interest in the train-wreck of moral turpitude these clients present—with their staggering patterns of ethical and moral debaseness. Admittedly, it can be breathtaking, on certain levels, to behold the magnitude of their abuse of others’ boundaries and dignity, accompanied by missing feelings of accountability and remorse.
And the interest in the experience with such clients persists a bit longer when you are dealing with someone who is “intelligent.” There’s something just inherently more compelling, at least initially, about an “intelligent” sociopath who guiltlessly transgresses others in the gross, chronic way that sociopaths do, versus the less intelligent sociopath, whose intellectual limitations seem to dim, however unfairly, the spectacular nature of his violations.
But after a while, as I say, sitting with the sociopathic client, however intelligent he may even be, grows tedious. It’s not unlike the experience of discovering that someone you expected to find extremely interesting (and perhaps did, initially) is, at bottom, really a boring individual with little to say or offer. There’s something anti-climactically disappointing in the discovery of the individual’s gross limitations.
With most sociopathic personalities, in my experience, this sense of disillusionment—of of having to face the reality, ultimately, of their emotional vacuity—occurs in the work with them. As different in temperament and intelligence as they may be, ultimately sociopaths prove to be highly ungratifying clients to work with. This is because, regardless of their ability to talk the talk, they are, ultimately, unable to make themselves genuinely accountable for their actions, the fact of which, after a while, simply grows tiresome.
The sociopathic client just doesn’t feel, in a heart-felt way, so many of the things he “allegedly” is ready to own, or the reforms he is “allegedly” ready to make; and when this becomes clear—as it always does—a certain tedium, boredom enters the sessions.
This boredom, I think, arises in the recognition of the futility of making a real connection with the sociopath; also in the futility of his making any sort of real connection to the pain he’s caused others, and will continue to cause others, despite his superficial assertions of regret and remorse.
And so this is where the big yawns threaten to emerge with regularity. It’s the feeling of having your time wasted, which is exactly what the sociopath is doing. He is wasting your time, as he wastes everything from which he doesn’t derive a personally, selfishly compelling benefit.
It is that moment of untruth—that moment when it becomes clear that, no matter how verbally interesting and, perhaps, even engaging he may be, the sociopathic individual finally lacks anything substantive to say, feel, or aspire to. Lacking this substance, the possibly initially engaging experience with him yields, ultimately, to the sense of being futilely engaged with an emotional cipher.
That is, for a while his charisma, charm and engaging qualities, if they are present, may compensate for the missing underlying emotional substance. But there is a shelf-life for this compensatory entertainment before the tedium of his barren inner emotional life begins to weigh down the experience of him. There is a limit to hearing the same repetitive pronouncements of intended change, pseudo remorse and responsibility.
There is also a limit, beyond which it becomes increasingly oppressive to sit with the sociopath, who in one breath may claim responsibility for his violations of others, while in the very next withdraw his pseudo-assumption of responsibility and abruptly rationalize the very behavior that, only moments before, he seemingly repudiated?
This is the sociopath at work. Sitting with him can be an interesting experience. But as his particular, underlying emotional disability surfaces, the interest leads, surpisingly quickly, to a feeling of ennui”¦almost oppression.
(This article is copyrighted © 2011 by Steve Becker, LCSW. My use of male gender pronouns is for convenience’s sake only and not to suggest that females aren’t capable of the behaviors and attitudes discussed.)
Oxy, I love your post!
“I’m doing healthy things and starting to enjoy them rather than feeling deprived. The same thing in my life, I’m eliminating the EMOTIONAL “sodium” and excess “fat” from my EMOTIONAL life as well, by setting boundaries for those close to me because I want to live a healthy and enjoyable life and I can’t do it with UNhealthy things in my ”“either emotionally or nutritionally.”
There is a huuuuuge shift in attitude when we heal. We don’t have to feel like victims do we? Healthy food because we’re worth it, not as a kind of punishment because we’re too fat, or going to die of a heart attack and waah, waah, life is so hard for us and it’s not fair. Self-love is where it’s at. It’s a new one on me! Boundaries too. It feels pretty late in life to be setting boundaries at last but it is so empowering! The people in my life are behaving completely differently to me now I respect myself enough to do that.
Verity,
thank you for your wonderful words of hope, I’m so looking forward to the day I break out of my programming.
There is a difference in the way my parents programmed me, they didn’t exactly put me down. They told me I didn’t need all the things that I wanted. I should sacrifice because I’m a bigger, better person. I didn’t get nurtured because I was told I didn’t need it.
For example, I was 4 and lil spath sis was 1. It was October 1970. We had to make a trip to visit my grandmother when my grandfather died suddenly. We left in a hurry, only mom, dad, lil spath sis and I went because we weren’t school age yet.
My older bro and sis stayed with my aunt, and my uncle came with us to help drive. It was a rush, non-stop trip. We slept in the car at rest areas. it took 3 or 4 days to get there.
Here’s what happened:
Dad and Uncle slept sitting in the front seats. The back seat was a bench seat. Mom slept sitting on one side. spath-sis was a large 1.5 year old and she stretched across the bench. I was a small 4 year old and I slept in the fetal position at her feet. There was no more room. I was cramped and in pain, but what could I do? She had to have all that space because she was the baby and she would cry if she didn’t. Just thinking about it sucks. I was scared to death of sleeping in the car thinking someone was going to break in and kill me. But the pain and discomfort of not being able to stretch all night was even worse.
I was told I can’t complain because I’m better, not because I’m worse. Consequently, my self-esteem is tied up in how much I can fucking suffer. sick, sick, sick.
verity, i find your posts are full of wisdom, too. I really like them. I’ve added them to my compilation of favorite LF comments. In it there are also many by Oxy, and others by other people.
This blog is so good thanks to the people that write on it, so many good people in different stages in their awakening.
Sky, that’s so messed up. I’m trying to imagine how that FEELS to a child. I can’t see in what you’ve said that you’ve been made to FEEL you were better, or were made to feel worthwhile at all, only that you were EXPECTED to be better, and better meant having no needs of your own! So you learned martyrdom is the only way to get your needs met. So sad.
A child must surely wonder why, if she’s worth anything at all, she *always* has to suffer at another’s expense even if that other is a loved one. Being told you shouldn’t need nurturing is as bad as being told you’re not worth it, because either way you felt unimportant even if the words were that you were ‘better than that’.
Eva, you’re very kind. If you could go back and read my posts of 2008-2010 you would find a different story. Full of venom, bile, accusations (some probably true and some complete projection) and resentment. It takes a long time and I can still be a complete nincompoop. 😉
Verity,
your right. it wouldn’t have been so bad to learn to make sacrifices if there were also times when I got to be nurtured too. But there weren’t. Oh except when I got sick. which was all the time. I was skinny, scrawny, had all kinds of allergies and rashes. I did get lots of concern when I had my asthma attacks.
Recently, I’ve begun to think that I never actually had asthma attacks. I think they were panic attacks.
You asked about how that “feels” to a child. Kathleen asked me the same thing and I couldn’t answer. I think she got frustrated with me. It didn’t “feel” like anything. Physically, it was very painful. But emotionally, I didn’t FEEL anything. It just feels like that is the way things are. I never knew any other way. It’s like being born blind or deaf. If you never had it, how can you miss it? It feels normal to be the one who has to give up so that others can have things.
The only reason it bothers me now is because I KNOW that it isn’t true and that I was lied to. But my behavior and feelings have not changed. I still FEEL that it’s true.
You poor little girl, I’m not surprised you got sick. The trauma we lived with as children is unbelievable. Nurture yourself now Sky.
I’m taking myself off to bed because I don’t want my internet addiction to come back (I swapped my addiction to him to addiction to the laptop) and it’s very tempting to chat. 🙂 ‘Night Sky and Eva.
Oh, I just saw your edit Sky. I think I know what you mean. I don’t remember feeling anything in my childhood either, apart from what I think now was constant terror or vigilance. Switched everything else off. It was all we knew, wasn’t it? Only being reminded of it recently brought the emotion I had suppressed or not been allowed to feel. That’s when anger and grief came at last. That’s when I really, really saw how much I had suffered as a child and the emotions could be attached to what had happened.
Maybe if you can force yourself to change your behaviour, catch yourself when you go into old mode, your feelings will eventually catch up? What you know intellectually (you don’t have to be a martyr to be worthwhile or lovable) will eventually be a real core belief to you?
verity i can imagine. I’ve been like that too, but little by little i realise my well-being is my responsability.
Still i have never been the type of person that put others first, i recognise i’ve always had egoistic tendencies. But the psycho caught me anyway, so i wonder what’s wrong with me, narcissism maybe?
No, you’re not in any nincompoop (funny word to add to my vocabulary) stage. You’re in a further stage than i am (i’m in a more low-life stage 🙂 but i’m working in changing stages)
Good night, verity. Sleep well. Thanks for sharing your process.
g’nite Verity, thanks for the encouragement.
Verity,
Your post is really beautiful and I appreciate it so much. I’m going to read this one over and over….
Yea, programming.. Skylar, your post resonated with me. My spathy sis was so spoiled. Her medical needs were always attended to me, while mine went unchecked, except the basic needs category. I suffered, I believe for years during my childhood with IBS. This is a profound thing for me. I believe somewhere in my heart my mother knew what my stepfather was doing to me, during those four years he was molesting me. I think she knew SOMETHING wasn’t right, but not WHAT, and it went ignored. If my medical issues would have been addressed, perhaps she was in fear that I would talk. My sister suffered from colitis. By the time my IBS was checked, into my thirties, it was so chronic, I couldn’t function. The doc thought I’d had it from childhood as well, and probably fibromyalgia as well from years of stressors at the hands of my abusers. Another thought comes to mind as well as I read your post, anther story to which my mother made sure that I was not important. I was in kindergarten, yet she used that as an excuse. She just didn’t want me along, I think…she, spath sis/bro went to Seattle to visit my great aunt. Everyone loved her. I never got to meet her. she had a farm up there and they spent a week there. My sis/bro/mom had a blast. And guess what? I didn’t go to school that week. My mother dumped me off at my uncle’s house. I recall that during that time while I was there, my Uncle had me watch my cousin while he was in his play pen. I turned around briefly to grab a doll or something and my cousin had crawled out of his play pen and fell onto the floor, and his head was cut open. I remember my Uncle yelling at me. I was six or seven at the time. Fun times. When they came back, I remembered how happy THEY were. My mother could have cared less that I was not. I heard about that trip for years and always felt wounded that she didn’t take me. I never did understand why.
These memories are very painful for me now. But they read like abandonment all over the place. The very same feeling of neglect, abandonment, abuse, silent treatments, manipulation, etc etc, gave this feeling like a knife wound deep into my chest.
The VERY same feeling I had when spath would cut me down or do something to attempt to destroy me emotionally, sexually. Silent treatments, manipulation, mind games, verbal abuse, sexual abuse. All of it. Exactly the same. I learned to take that behavior because I knew nothing else.
I still don’t. The boundaries that I’m currently setting for myself are those to which I’m just shooting in the dark. I”m doing it on my own, without aid, with the exception of my therapist, what I read here and very close friends who are healthy and understand what clear boundaries are.
The biggest boundary right now, is to stay NC. Today that feels almost impossible. I’m very depressed, although I did get to have a very long talk with my eldest daughter, and that was a good, fun, light conversation. It was a minute of joy during the day today. Now it just hurts again. I’m trying not to think about spath and his new gf. But it’s hard not too. A couple of times I wanted to email, call or text. But I haven’t. Sometimes, the pain of being without him is so overwhelming, but it doesn’t overwhelm me to action and perhaps that is a good sign in a small way right now. There is confusion about his actually being a spath and me being sick too.
That’s the hard part. Even though I know there are healthy people in this world, right now, I don’t FEEL that way. I see glimpses of it. But that’s all. Because unhealthy and parental programming is all I know.
It’s encouraging that you’ve walked this far verity. I hope I see that progress in my own life too. It just feels so painfully slow.
While he’s out having a great time tonight, sexing up new gf, I’m at home, by myself. In pain. Nice.
LL