Sitting with an antisocial or sociopathic client is an interesting experience—for a while, anyway, until it grows tedious”¦almost boring. There is the initial curiosity about, and fascination with, the client’s antisocial behaviors”¦their nature”¦breadth.
Perhaps there’s even a certain rubbernecking interest in the train-wreck of moral turpitude these clients present—with their staggering patterns of ethical and moral debaseness. Admittedly, it can be breathtaking, on certain levels, to behold the magnitude of their abuse of others’ boundaries and dignity, accompanied by missing feelings of accountability and remorse.
And the interest in the experience with such clients persists a bit longer when you are dealing with someone who is “intelligent.” There’s something just inherently more compelling, at least initially, about an “intelligent” sociopath who guiltlessly transgresses others in the gross, chronic way that sociopaths do, versus the less intelligent sociopath, whose intellectual limitations seem to dim, however unfairly, the spectacular nature of his violations.
But after a while, as I say, sitting with the sociopathic client, however intelligent he may even be, grows tedious. It’s not unlike the experience of discovering that someone you expected to find extremely interesting (and perhaps did, initially) is, at bottom, really a boring individual with little to say or offer. There’s something anti-climactically disappointing in the discovery of the individual’s gross limitations.
With most sociopathic personalities, in my experience, this sense of disillusionment—of of having to face the reality, ultimately, of their emotional vacuity—occurs in the work with them. As different in temperament and intelligence as they may be, ultimately sociopaths prove to be highly ungratifying clients to work with. This is because, regardless of their ability to talk the talk, they are, ultimately, unable to make themselves genuinely accountable for their actions, the fact of which, after a while, simply grows tiresome.
The sociopathic client just doesn’t feel, in a heart-felt way, so many of the things he “allegedly” is ready to own, or the reforms he is “allegedly” ready to make; and when this becomes clear—as it always does—a certain tedium, boredom enters the sessions.
This boredom, I think, arises in the recognition of the futility of making a real connection with the sociopath; also in the futility of his making any sort of real connection to the pain he’s caused others, and will continue to cause others, despite his superficial assertions of regret and remorse.
And so this is where the big yawns threaten to emerge with regularity. It’s the feeling of having your time wasted, which is exactly what the sociopath is doing. He is wasting your time, as he wastes everything from which he doesn’t derive a personally, selfishly compelling benefit.
It is that moment of untruth—that moment when it becomes clear that, no matter how verbally interesting and, perhaps, even engaging he may be, the sociopathic individual finally lacks anything substantive to say, feel, or aspire to. Lacking this substance, the possibly initially engaging experience with him yields, ultimately, to the sense of being futilely engaged with an emotional cipher.
That is, for a while his charisma, charm and engaging qualities, if they are present, may compensate for the missing underlying emotional substance. But there is a shelf-life for this compensatory entertainment before the tedium of his barren inner emotional life begins to weigh down the experience of him. There is a limit to hearing the same repetitive pronouncements of intended change, pseudo remorse and responsibility.
There is also a limit, beyond which it becomes increasingly oppressive to sit with the sociopath, who in one breath may claim responsibility for his violations of others, while in the very next withdraw his pseudo-assumption of responsibility and abruptly rationalize the very behavior that, only moments before, he seemingly repudiated?
This is the sociopath at work. Sitting with him can be an interesting experience. But as his particular, underlying emotional disability surfaces, the interest leads, surpisingly quickly, to a feeling of ennui”¦almost oppression.
(This article is copyrighted © 2011 by Steve Becker, LCSW. My use of male gender pronouns is for convenience’s sake only and not to suggest that females aren’t capable of the behaviors and attitudes discussed.)
“Emotional vacuity” is a pretty good way to describe what I have seen! Ultimately under the facade of any sociopath is — nothing. THEN perhaps, underneath all that nothing, is a huge ball of fear that actually drives them to do most of what they do (aside from basic functions like using the latrine or yawning). The well-founded fear that they don’t have any control leads them to do whatever comes to mind so that they can perpetuate some sense over being able to mold and shape the world as they wish.
Lesson Learned, yes, doesn’t it feel soooo painfully sloooww. And I too often think to myself that surely there ARE healthy people in this world, but honestly they look to be few and far between from my standpoint! I haven’t seen or talked to my husband since July, but daily I deal with manipulative controlling people who seriously have no reason to mess with my family, other than the fact that we are here in their reach and have already gone through SO MUCH training as to how to properly react to their idiotic ways! We know just how to submit. We know how to protest just when they are looking for a fight! It’s so frustrating.
Sometimes I consider the fact that no doubt my husband is wooing at least one, but likely several women now that we are apart. Back in the day, when I was unsuccessfully trying to leave him or when he would disappear for days on end, this really REALLY bothered me. Today, I can feel nothing but true pity for any naive unsuspecting female (maybe even male?) that tangles with my husband. They have no idea what they are in for. If I could warn them in the kindest way I would. If they are anything like I was, they probably won’t listen because I’m not very persuasive, certainly no match for his powers of persuasion. So when I think of him wandering around out there in the world, I think it’s practically criminal.
Everyone here talks about how they know their ex spaths are with more than one woman at a time, on several dating sites, etc.
Mine just wanted one at at time. I have no proof, other than his affair with me, that there were others. Perhaps it really was that I was just a symptom of a deeper problem in the marriage that he had. Otherwise, he would not have cheated. He has new gf now and (yes I checked) has not been on his dating site in two weeks. He nailed one.
And he will stay incredibly focused on her. And no one else.
That’s just how my ex spath is. I think he’s one of those spaths that is a bit rare. He can be monogamous for quite a while.
LL
LL,
You’re doing all the right things. I don’t think there are very many healthy people out there. But you’re going to be one of them soon.
(((hugs)))
Your story also resonates with me. It’s interesting how both our spaths tried to make us feel like other people were getting things that we were not. And how you felt left out all these years because of that trip. And how I felt like everyone gets to be nurtured except me. The need to seed envy is at the root of sociopathy. They can’t EVER get enough of anything, so they want us to feel impoverished too. Really sick, but also every revealing. It’s up to us to refuse to feel what they tried to slime us with.
Skylar…
Envy……yea…
I have felt “envious” all my life. Of my mother’s relationshit with spath sis/bro, Spathydaddy’s relationshit with spathy sis, first bf with his gf, ex P husband and his many glaring affairs, drug/alcohol abuse and now exPOS…and his ex wife and now new gf.
I was so dispensable. I feel like not only a worthless whore, but also just worthless period. I always had to compete with others for the love and affection that should have been readily available to me.
I just played out my entire past with exPOS.
ANd he won. THey always do.
LL
LL,
I didn’t actually feel envy, I felt nothing. That’s why the spath could never make me feel envious. Yes, I did often feel like life was passing me by, but I never felt envious that others got what I didn’t. Perhaps some envy would have served the purpose of making me “go get me some of that”. I just have no desire for anything. That’s what they led me to believe: that I should desire nothing for myself, not even safety, not even comfort. And I don’t. That’s why people think I’m fearless, and it’s why I used to hitchhike. But now I’m just tired and I’m tired of hating my mom for being so selfish.
It’s been a hard day for me too. my BF is so needy too and I’m tired of managing his emotions for him.
I am very happy to be here on LF. Even though it’s terrible that the people here have to know what these things are like, well, for a long long while I felt like I was some sort of alien-being from another planet and no one would ever ever “know”. You know?
Anyway. LL, you felt worthless BECAUSE you were so precious, your lifeforce was so sweet, that the S. wanted to feed off of it. From day one he recognized the good in you and wanted to eat all he could, hoping to absorb some of it onto his own persona, so that he would be even BETTER at what he does! That person took and took and took the good stuff, and the only reason you felt like you had no worth was because the S never gave it BACK. Your life-force bank account got drained. In normal life, I assume, it gets given back. In regular relationships it is supposed to be passed back and forth and built upon and all that wonderful stuff. I wouldn’t know, I’m only observing from afar on the marriage spectrum!
Skylar! I wasn’t always fearless, but thank you for expressing as much, because for about a year and a half I have been fearless as you say. “That I should desire nothing for myself, not even safety, not even comfort”.
After I left our desert home and the sociopathic husband was rotting in jail, months later when I had regained my normal weight and rejoined the human race, I realized a thing: I had been ready to die out there with him.
Granted, he told me that he would kill me on a regular daily basis, no mystery there, but I knew that should things continue the way they were going, one day it was going to come down to a showdown between me and him. He outweighed my by a hundred pounds then. I had suffered many punches, kicks, etc. It’s just that instead of the effect HE desired, one of endless impending fear that would keep me from standing up for myself, the opposite happened. I felt like there wasn’t a thing I hadn’t faced and I was ready for our showdown. There was a chance I would die, but I highly DOUBTED it, because I was good and he was bad. Good wins over evil. Even if I died, he’d still be the biggest loser on the planet.
At this stage of healing, those thoughts seems a little alarming to me. How could someone really have no fear? I wrestle with the idea that it has made me a bit like him. I try to reject that thought, however.
Be Aware,
I’m so struggling like that. Projecting normal onto him today and onto his new relationshit. It almost feels that our relationshit never existed. And it really didn’t. At least for me, he didn’t.
I’m struggling with the idea of who he is. I somehow feel, that if I could JUST grasp that, I could be miles ahead in my healing.
It started to dawn on me, that perhaps because my life has been surrounded by nothing but the personality disordered that it was me that wasn’t healthy, while they were. I KNOW intellectually, there is no logic to that. It just FEELS that way.
Sky, I think understand what you mean in referencing the now. For me, what is scary is this feeling of either emotional numbness or complete withdrawal emotionally. As the days go by without him, I’m feeling MORE desperate for relief from him. Even if it means abuse.
I’m feeling more and more depressed.
I wish I could afford to go to the gym. If there is anything positive, that’s what I think about. I’d just go work it out. All the time everyday…….
Damn.
Okay-
I’m not going to lie.
It is Valentine’s Day and I am sad.
I know– “Get over it.”
it was already 6 weeks or more that he came into my life–made me laugh as I haven’t in ages- made me feel hope for the first time since God knows when–
and claimed I was the one for him and he wanted to hitch up and have a kid asap. It was bliss, it really was– and I was the one always saying, “Slow down– we don’t know each other yet.”
Here it is– Valentine’s Day– and who would have thought six weeks ago that he would have so quickly pulled away, gone cold, vanished actually?
I am mourning. I am mourning that I am 41 and not very happy (a stomach prob and hate my job– I’m not performing anymore)– and if I were to ever have a kid– it would have to be TODAY.
I am mourning that I met a guy– who made me feel as if maybe life could be good. Maybe there is someone in life who could make your life a little easier just by being themselves.
I am mourning my self respect- b/c I was had– like a total idiot.
venting. thank you and sorry.
((((((((((((((( Akita )))))))))))))))))))
If there is ONE thing I wish you WOULD NOT do when you write out your HONEST feelings is APOLOGIZE for it!!! 🙂
What did you find out about your tummy problem? I know you were going to have testing done. Why are you not performing?
Akita………encouraging story, k? It’s not “all over” for you insofar as having children. First of all sweetheart, I’m HERE to tell ya, it doesn’t take a MAN to have children. If you’re very concerned about your biological clock, chica, you CAN do artificial insemination, adopt……..even be a foster mama 🙂
There are alternatives. You have a lot of love to give a child, Akita and there’s LOTS of children in the world who need love. 🙂
I know that it SEEMS as if having a man there to ENJOY it with is optimal and perhaps, if you’re NEEDING a man it would be, but that’s the illusion Akita. That’s the crap he fed off of you. If there is one thing that I’m seeing about spathy behavior is that he hooked your DREAM. But you can still HAVE your dream. I think when you purge all of the garbage about your history, and we all need too, you can STILL be a parent. I have six children, Akita. And I did it by myself. WITHOUT a man. I sure wish I’d been healed first, but ………..you have that chance. Just gotta learn how to love YOU first…….and then the love you can give a child would only be exponentially more blissful. 🙂
I totally understand how you feel about the day today.
Akita, you weren’t an idiot. He targeted your dream. What I find so unbelievable is how quickly he was able to do it. This is what must be considered the “love bombing” that I hear about here.
They hone in like cruise missiles. It is absolutely amazing how they do it.
Don’t feel bad. This wasn’t your fault. You did the right thing in not allowing anymore contact.
Hang in there.
BIG HUGS!
LL
I made it through VD Day with no problem. Didnt give it much thought. Actually was nice not to have to deal with it, what a silly holiday. Hey everyday is single and alone day for me. I can buy chocolate any day of the week and eat it myself. I did get a VD card from one of my client’s, she always send’s me one. I called my friend who’s 35 yr old son dropped dead of a heart attack a year ago on VDay – he wasnt doing very well.
I am in a good place right now with myself. Nothing new or exciting just at peace – hope this last a long time.