Sitting with an antisocial or sociopathic client is an interesting experience—for a while, anyway, until it grows tedious”¦almost boring. There is the initial curiosity about, and fascination with, the client’s antisocial behaviors”¦their nature”¦breadth.
Perhaps there’s even a certain rubbernecking interest in the train-wreck of moral turpitude these clients present—with their staggering patterns of ethical and moral debaseness. Admittedly, it can be breathtaking, on certain levels, to behold the magnitude of their abuse of others’ boundaries and dignity, accompanied by missing feelings of accountability and remorse.
And the interest in the experience with such clients persists a bit longer when you are dealing with someone who is “intelligent.” There’s something just inherently more compelling, at least initially, about an “intelligent” sociopath who guiltlessly transgresses others in the gross, chronic way that sociopaths do, versus the less intelligent sociopath, whose intellectual limitations seem to dim, however unfairly, the spectacular nature of his violations.
But after a while, as I say, sitting with the sociopathic client, however intelligent he may even be, grows tedious. It’s not unlike the experience of discovering that someone you expected to find extremely interesting (and perhaps did, initially) is, at bottom, really a boring individual with little to say or offer. There’s something anti-climactically disappointing in the discovery of the individual’s gross limitations.
With most sociopathic personalities, in my experience, this sense of disillusionment—of of having to face the reality, ultimately, of their emotional vacuity—occurs in the work with them. As different in temperament and intelligence as they may be, ultimately sociopaths prove to be highly ungratifying clients to work with. This is because, regardless of their ability to talk the talk, they are, ultimately, unable to make themselves genuinely accountable for their actions, the fact of which, after a while, simply grows tiresome.
The sociopathic client just doesn’t feel, in a heart-felt way, so many of the things he “allegedly” is ready to own, or the reforms he is “allegedly” ready to make; and when this becomes clear—as it always does—a certain tedium, boredom enters the sessions.
This boredom, I think, arises in the recognition of the futility of making a real connection with the sociopath; also in the futility of his making any sort of real connection to the pain he’s caused others, and will continue to cause others, despite his superficial assertions of regret and remorse.
And so this is where the big yawns threaten to emerge with regularity. It’s the feeling of having your time wasted, which is exactly what the sociopath is doing. He is wasting your time, as he wastes everything from which he doesn’t derive a personally, selfishly compelling benefit.
It is that moment of untruth—that moment when it becomes clear that, no matter how verbally interesting and, perhaps, even engaging he may be, the sociopathic individual finally lacks anything substantive to say, feel, or aspire to. Lacking this substance, the possibly initially engaging experience with him yields, ultimately, to the sense of being futilely engaged with an emotional cipher.
That is, for a while his charisma, charm and engaging qualities, if they are present, may compensate for the missing underlying emotional substance. But there is a shelf-life for this compensatory entertainment before the tedium of his barren inner emotional life begins to weigh down the experience of him. There is a limit to hearing the same repetitive pronouncements of intended change, pseudo remorse and responsibility.
There is also a limit, beyond which it becomes increasingly oppressive to sit with the sociopath, who in one breath may claim responsibility for his violations of others, while in the very next withdraw his pseudo-assumption of responsibility and abruptly rationalize the very behavior that, only moments before, he seemingly repudiated?
This is the sociopath at work. Sitting with him can be an interesting experience. But as his particular, underlying emotional disability surfaces, the interest leads, surpisingly quickly, to a feeling of ennui”¦almost oppression.
(This article is copyrighted © 2011 by Steve Becker, LCSW. My use of male gender pronouns is for convenience’s sake only and not to suggest that females aren’t capable of the behaviors and attitudes discussed.)
Be Aware,
“How can someone have no fear?” When you are beaten down so low that you have nothing left to lose but your life, you lose your fear as well.
First our pleasures die,
And then our hopes,
and then our fears
When these are done,
The debt is due,
Dust claims dust, and we die too.
That is a piece of a poem I learned years and years ago, don’t know who wrote it or when, but when we have no pleasure, and then no hope, and then we lose fear as well…..I’ve BEEN THERE my dear. I was terrified of dying, then accepted that dying is not the worst thing that could happen, but to LIVE IN TERROR IS WORSE….
Backed into a hole where there is no where else to back up, you either dig in and die, or you fight your way out through the opening and past anyone trying to stop you.
I made up my mind to not live in TERROR. I live cautiously because my P son and/or his friends may eventually come after me, but I will not live in terror—the worst thing they can do is kill me, and I am no longer afraid to die. Living is fear and terror is much worse.
GOOD FOR YOU! You are a strong person, and will only become stronger. God bless you!
Ox,
I so relate to what you’re saying here. My ex P tried to kill me and to kill my daughter when I wanted out of the marriage. I feel now EXACTLY as I felt then………..but the dynamics are different now……
I think there is so much pain now, it is crossing either a sense of complete indifference or…………so much pain that death would be COMFORTING………
I’m not afraid to die anymore, Ox. I’d welcome it.
I’m not to where you wanted to crawl out yet, but i do understand what you’re saying in a lot of ways too.
I’m not sure I have the strength to dig out Ox.
And THAT is what scares the hell out of me. More than death. Death would be a welcome relief. I pray for it.
LL
Be Aware and Oxy,
The aha moments are coming in fast today.
That’s what happened to me when I was a child. I became fearless because I just stopped CARING what happened to me.
That’s why I ran away. That’s why I stopped asking for anything. That’s why I don’t do anything for myself, but bend over backwards for others. That’s why I was going to step in and save the woman whose husband was beating her. That’s why I can live with a man who says he doesn’t love me. That’s why I drive fast and don’t wear a seatbelt. That’s why people think I’m so brave and fearless and why I can take risks. It’s because I just don’t care about me. I am getting it now.
I lived in so much fear as a child. It’s all I remember. Then I remember one day deciding not to be “shy”. But it wasn’t shyness, it was fear and I decided to not care what happened, so the shyness disappeared overnight. And I completely changed. And I seemed fearless to others.
Fearlessness comes at a price. If you don’t care what happens, then you don’t make plans, you don’t save yourself, you don’t take care of yourself. That’s my problem.
You guys are miracle workers.
LL–
your post means a lot to me. Thank you.
thing is? I never wanted kids BEFORE I met him!
Something about being with him– everything seemed right and life made sense and I finally understood having children. It is very hard to explain. It was like– all the planets were aligned. Sounds crazy, I know!
Isn’t this crazy? It is like he got into my life force/my soul or something. I had figured that maybe I had just never met the right person– b/c I had never had baby pangs before– then he started talking about my having a baby with him and I met his baby niece and nephews and his fam embraced me– and everything felt right and made sense.
How the hell did that happen?
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LL–
before I went to have stomach test– I broke out in hives. Test is rescheduled for next Mon.
The reason I stopped performing stems from the stomach probs. I was a successful pro singer (not too many of those– but I made my living off of it and had a great rep.). I began losing my voice 3 yrs ago from severe acid reflux. The acid does horrible things to your singing voice. Well– I still am having the reflux– and it does not respond to any meds. We are trying to figure out why– and see if the doc can do an operation to prevent the acid from coming back up on my soprano vocal chords.
I also act and dance — but without singing- I get so sad– i just do not want to do any of it. Singing was my life! Since the age of ten.
I pray they find out what is wrong and that it is fixable. Heck with guys– when I have my music– I do not get bothered by much of anything.
(((( Akita )))))))
There is so much I relate to to what you’re saying…..my son is extremely musically gifted. he sings operatic. He plays piano, guitar, violin, penny whistle, etc, without knowing a note. And I’m not kidding you…..
Recently, at the airport that he works, the SECOND record producer happening through town, stopped to hear him play and sing on the piano at work because he was bored (he’s a chef there and it was dead), waited till he was finished, handed him his card and told him to put an “audition” on you tube so this guys managers could watch his performances.
I thought it was bullshit. But it WASN”T akita. Just so happens that the manager is VERY close family friends with record producer 2 that listened to my son play…he helped make Justin Bieber (BARF) famous, amongst others. He also has a recording studio in our town and a big one in LA (Yes, verified and checked out, lol). He keeps emailing my son “Please put a video on Youtube so I can show my managers. You have a major talent and we’d like to use your skills in the near future”.
Now, I don’t know SHIAT about this kind of stuff. My son, opportunity BLOWING in the wind, blows it off every time….he just laughs about it.
I would like to share this with you Akita. If you’re willing to get my email from Donna, please request it.
I would like to HEAR your voice, and actually, so would my son. I think you would connect nicely with him because of your musical talents and he is COMPLETELY non threatening……..he’s so gay he’d be your best friend LOL!
Your talents are so important.
Please don’t let your spath take that away from you.
My son is the same,…”Mom, music SOOTHES my soul” and he blesses the rest of us doing it Akita. When I’m so in the depths of despair, my son will take out his guitar and play and sing……..
That’s hard for me too, because exPOS was musically gifted. he was a GENIUSE at saxophone………played piano (not as well as sax), sang (not NEARLY as well as sax), he sabotaged himself……
the gifts he was truly good at, he refused to expound on. ONly those that he wasn’t………
It hurts to hear my son play sometimes. I remember exPOS telling me that he hated my son and his talents……even while exPOS had them himself……….wasted potential, always..
don’t waste yours.
LL
LL, I hear you CARING about yourself and how you feel, even in the pain, you are FEELING and wanting to get better….focus on the NOW—this second, this minute, this hour, this day, this week, the NOW and get through until you DO care more.
You are making plans and reaching out to others–(see your above post to Akitameg) but I suggest that you START REACHING OUT TO HELP YOURSELF FIRST—and when you are helping yourself you will have more strength to help others. “Helping others” get your focus off of your own needs and I think that is something that we can distract ourselves with to keep from feeling our own needs, our own pain, and working on our own problems. I’VE BEEN THERE AND DONE THAT….and I know it is difficult to refocus on yourself, but in the end, focusing on ourselves is all we CAN DO.
It has taken me a long time to realize that about myself, but working on taking care of ME, focusing on the things I need to do for MYSELF, instead of focusing on helping others–actually allows me the strength to do things for others, but taking care of ME is the FIRST and most important obligation I have. Think about it. (((hugs))))
Ox,
What the HELL does that MEAN?
What the HELL does that mean?
Because I don’t understand. I DON”T.
Why can’t I care for others?> try to help?
I don’t know how to take care of ME, Ox. I DON”T KNOW HOW!!!
All I feel is pain. I don’t WANT to sit in this. I don’t WANT to and when I do, I don’t know how to DEAL with it!!
I SUCK, Ox.
I truly suck. And I don’t know how NOT to care for others and to care for me. I DON”T know how to do that……..
I don’t even know what that MEANS?????
I don’t know, Ox.
And I’m SCARED that I don’t???
Help ME understand!!!!
LL
Dear LL,
I agree, I don’t think you know how to take care of yourself. I didn’t either. I took care of everyone else in the world and didn’t take care of ME.
I spent my time trying to make sure other people didn’t get their feelings hurt. A “friend” stole from me, but I didn’t want her to get her feelings hurt by being confronted with being a liar and a thief????? DUH! I felt in the wrong because I WAS UPSET—but mostly I was upset about hurting her feelings by confronting her. LOL
I’ve seen you reach out to others to “help” them and give them advice, and you reached out to Akitameg to help her maybe find someone to appreciate her music—people who don’t care if they live or die don’t reach out like that, so I DO BELIEVE you care if you live or die….I think you want to live….
You also talked about how the neighborhood kids came to your house and their parents didn’t understand them but you were reaching out to them…giving to those kids…yet even you admitted that you weren’t setting boundaries for them and that they were complicating your life, staying there like a crash pad I think (that was my term)
I also let others IMPOSE ON ME to the extent I didn’t have any time or energy for myself. I didn’t know how to say NO—I don’t want to do that. But I also volunteered to do things for others even before they asked. I spent too much time enabling others and not enough taking care of me.
So how do you learn to take care of yourself first?
Well, you are doing some of that already. YOu go to a therapist. You are doing that. You say “NO” when you don’t want to do something someone asks you to do, or that is inconvenient. You put YOUR desires first! And you do NOT feel guilty about it.
You are taking medication for your depression, and I think that is a good thing. You keep on taking it.
You start doing things that are GOOD for you. Things that will lift you up, make you feel better. Eat right, sleep, rest, clean your house, your body and your mind and organize your life in a positive way.
Follow the directions of your therapist and stay in the NOW when you find yourself panic’d. I may be wrong, but I think I am hearing some “panic attacks” in some of your posts, and you might want to talk to your therapist about this tendency and explore it with him/her.
((((Hugs))))) Breathe, breathe, breathe!!!! God bless.
LL….When we get out of ourselves and try to help others…it helps us heal.
Thank you for being the caring loving woman you are.
Don’t change that.
Just get strong. xo
Ox,
Yes, Panic attacks. Some of the posts here are very triggering.
I wish I could stop the world from hurting or help others from hurting when they don’t know how to help themselves……….
I do love people in general, Ox.
I do. To the detriment of me. Saying no is NOT familiar.
I miss my man so much. I miss my foster kids. I miss my adult children. I miss my grandchildren………..
But truthfully, Ox, I’m just so fucking tired, I can’t give anymore.
I wish it wasn’t so and it’s an internal battle.
I must have done something wrong? I didn’t give enough?
I don’t want to stop giving. I’m so in fear of cutting off my heart, but so afraid to give it.
I miss him so much Ox.
Right now, I feel I want to die.
I miss that giving part of me. It felt like it was right.
Wsa I wrong? Was I WRONG Oxy???
To want to give? And to love? I want to give what I didn’t have..
I wish I could help everyone.
I can’t.
I don’t know how to help myself. Should I not be here anymore?
I feel toxic, Oxy. But my heart is still filled with love.
I don’t know what to do.
It’s the love and care that I feel, for othres, that has destroyed me. I understand why and know this………
But taking care of me is so foreign.
Do you understand what I’m saying?
I want to help. I’d give anything if half of what I hear here, was not happening…………….to them or to me……….
I don’t know how to take care of me. I wonder if ex POS and all my ex’s were better at it.
At least they knew what they needed and found someone to take care of it. Doesn’t that make them better at self care than I?
I guess I’m not that good at it.
LL