Sitting with an antisocial or sociopathic client is an interesting experience—for a while, anyway, until it grows tedious”¦almost boring. There is the initial curiosity about, and fascination with, the client’s antisocial behaviors”¦their nature”¦breadth.
Perhaps there’s even a certain rubbernecking interest in the train-wreck of moral turpitude these clients present—with their staggering patterns of ethical and moral debaseness. Admittedly, it can be breathtaking, on certain levels, to behold the magnitude of their abuse of others’ boundaries and dignity, accompanied by missing feelings of accountability and remorse.
And the interest in the experience with such clients persists a bit longer when you are dealing with someone who is “intelligent.” There’s something just inherently more compelling, at least initially, about an “intelligent” sociopath who guiltlessly transgresses others in the gross, chronic way that sociopaths do, versus the less intelligent sociopath, whose intellectual limitations seem to dim, however unfairly, the spectacular nature of his violations.
But after a while, as I say, sitting with the sociopathic client, however intelligent he may even be, grows tedious. It’s not unlike the experience of discovering that someone you expected to find extremely interesting (and perhaps did, initially) is, at bottom, really a boring individual with little to say or offer. There’s something anti-climactically disappointing in the discovery of the individual’s gross limitations.
With most sociopathic personalities, in my experience, this sense of disillusionment—of of having to face the reality, ultimately, of their emotional vacuity—occurs in the work with them. As different in temperament and intelligence as they may be, ultimately sociopaths prove to be highly ungratifying clients to work with. This is because, regardless of their ability to talk the talk, they are, ultimately, unable to make themselves genuinely accountable for their actions, the fact of which, after a while, simply grows tiresome.
The sociopathic client just doesn’t feel, in a heart-felt way, so many of the things he “allegedly” is ready to own, or the reforms he is “allegedly” ready to make; and when this becomes clear—as it always does—a certain tedium, boredom enters the sessions.
This boredom, I think, arises in the recognition of the futility of making a real connection with the sociopath; also in the futility of his making any sort of real connection to the pain he’s caused others, and will continue to cause others, despite his superficial assertions of regret and remorse.
And so this is where the big yawns threaten to emerge with regularity. It’s the feeling of having your time wasted, which is exactly what the sociopath is doing. He is wasting your time, as he wastes everything from which he doesn’t derive a personally, selfishly compelling benefit.
It is that moment of untruth—that moment when it becomes clear that, no matter how verbally interesting and, perhaps, even engaging he may be, the sociopathic individual finally lacks anything substantive to say, feel, or aspire to. Lacking this substance, the possibly initially engaging experience with him yields, ultimately, to the sense of being futilely engaged with an emotional cipher.
That is, for a while his charisma, charm and engaging qualities, if they are present, may compensate for the missing underlying emotional substance. But there is a shelf-life for this compensatory entertainment before the tedium of his barren inner emotional life begins to weigh down the experience of him. There is a limit to hearing the same repetitive pronouncements of intended change, pseudo remorse and responsibility.
There is also a limit, beyond which it becomes increasingly oppressive to sit with the sociopath, who in one breath may claim responsibility for his violations of others, while in the very next withdraw his pseudo-assumption of responsibility and abruptly rationalize the very behavior that, only moments before, he seemingly repudiated?
This is the sociopath at work. Sitting with him can be an interesting experience. But as his particular, underlying emotional disability surfaces, the interest leads, surpisingly quickly, to a feeling of ennui”¦almost oppression.
(This article is copyrighted © 2011 by Steve Becker, LCSW. My use of male gender pronouns is for convenience’s sake only and not to suggest that females aren’t capable of the behaviors and attitudes discussed.)
LL – sweetie, i have a few questions for you –
how long have you been taking the ssri you are now on?
how are the side effects?
have they recently increased your dosage?
is your feeling that you can’t handle your feelings increasing?
is your feeling that you want to die increasing?
One,
Two weeks, four days off, for biopsy.
Severely nauseating.
No.
No. same. Today is exceptionally difficult. For obvious reasons.
No, same. Actually, momentarily, that’s not true. I want to die. I think it would be easier. Would I do anything about it? No. If that’s what you’re asking. I’d rather have exPOS do it for me.
That’s why I have my finger on the send button after the email I wrote to him.
But not doing it.
I feel hopelessness. Lack of support. People are sick of me and exPOS. It’s not helping that I know he’s with new gf.
It is tremendously painful.
IN that………..yea, I feel like dying.
I loved him.
But yet I remain………..completely NC.
LL
LL – I wish you peace.
Oxy,
not sure but you may have thought my post was LL’s.
I’m the one who posted that I just don’t care what happens to me – because I realize now that I don’t care very much.
At least not as much as I should. That’s why I can’t do much to take care of myself. Things like renting out the cabin or even cleaning it.
Sky
LL,
I understand. When I moved, I had to shred more than a ream of paper and boxes of stationary. All letters I wrote. All of them beginning with the declarations of my unending and unwavering love. And disbelief. And all ending in the question WHY?
I knew there was no answer.
And it was hard. Lonely and desperate times.
We laugh at the scenes in the movies when an actor opens a closet door that spill out a million pingpong balls or basket balls. And I felt like everything was raining down on me and that because of it I was alone. Isolated.
But too shamed and downtrodden to whant any contact with the outside world. And this was my hand hold and my foothold to climb back into the world.
Wrting on paper really helps to get your feelings out and clarify your thoughts. I encourage you.
You can tear up paper at the mailbox if it goes that far. But a twitching finger on the email… HMMM. That sounds high risk to me and I have a pretty high threshold….
Yeah, its gonna be a bumpy ride. but you know,
we’ll be right here.
((( thanks LL.))) i was concerned about your hopelessness possibly increasing due to the medication and just wanted to check in with you about it.
ps – delete the email.
Dear, dear LL you don’t need to die. I thought I did too but the pain eventually stopped. Try if you can not to be scared of how terrible you feel and try not to be scared to go through this. It’s the only way out. Until you beat this, your greatest and most terrible fear, you’ll not be truly alive.
Let me post this, that you wrote:
He is one of the MOST destructive human beings I”ve ever met. I can say WORSE than my own father. WORSE. I have never met such an evil human soul in my entire life. My father was bad for sure, this one was the worst EVER. I feel sickened that I was truly touched by evil for so long. VERY troubled that something so frightening was in me, through me, over me. It is FRIGHTENING.
And I still fear him. I FEAR him. ONe of the things that comes to mind that is so scary, other than the gun incident, was when we were having sex the last couple of months. During sex he would rub his hand up from my abdomen to my neck. TWICE< but once in particular, he SQUEEZED so hard, I ALMOST told him to stop, but wiggled my way out of it. What had he seen that said near asphyxiation was at all a high during sex? I think perhaps that also had something to do with being so frightened. What he MIGHT have been capable of had I allowed this to go on. I'm trying very hard to come to terms with what happened to me and that my GUT was telling me something, no wait, SCREAMING something and that what I thought was the truth."
This is the man that you love, right? Believe me, I was where you're at. You are craving his affection and his approval and what you feel for him is a deeply, deeply perceived, but actually *untrue*, need. He has betrayed you and thrown you into a state of trauma because of what happened to you years ago. It doesn't matter what his problem is, but you have to matter to you. You matter to everyone who's been where you are now because we have real understanding and empathy and want to reassure you.
ALL you have done wrong is believed wrong things about yourself all your life and when you stop believing those things then people who don't treat you with care and respect won't be able to hurt you this deeply and you won't 'love' with the need to be loved back or you'll feel like dying and if anyone even tried to treat you like this there'd be no WAY you'd let them. You will live in the security of knowing that you are not ever going to be broken like this again.
The only thing for you to know now is that this will stop. That's a guarantee. You just have to keep breathing and, in the times you have the energy, look into information about adults abused as children, abandonment issues, etc., and how we heal. I think, although I could be wrong, that most people who are here are here because deep down they think they're worthless and believed the feelings that the narcissists or spaths brought out of them. They're your feelings LL, regardless of what he thinks of you. It's about why you think you're crap when you're truly not.
I don't know what is the truth about the man I met but all that matters now is what he brought out of me and what I have to do about THAT. It's very normal to concentrate on the person who abused you for a while and when you're really ready you'll be able to get enough breathing space to start to learn to love yourself. You're doing exactly what all of us did and do, so try just to stick with it. You can't understand right at the start, you can only grieve. Sending emails to people who treat you badly is going to prolong this need you have to punish yourself. Believe me, I know from experience. My therapist told me it was a form of self-harm, like cutting.
LL–
Good Morning.
Just got your post and I thank you.
I really like what verity says above.
I have not posted about it lately– but I initially came to LF well over a year ago b/c I had been with a S/P/Borderline/N– a whatever for two years.
We were all serious. His mom suddenly died out of nowhere–there was a huge will involved and he literally broke up with me on the phone from his mother’s death bed. Easy as that. I was discarded without a second thought. really sick.
Your posts remind me of where I was and I PROMISE YOU THAT THE PAIN YOU ARE IN DOES GO AWAY. I can relate to the agony you are in and just wanting to die. It is all part of the trauma and a necessary part of your healing– to feel all of this shiat.
Big hugs to you right now and I thank you for reaching out to me.
I thoroughly enjoyed this blog. I also agree with Katydid….referencing the 50 first dates, lol. My sociopath took the women that followed me on exactly the same dates/places. Funny thing is I was the one that found new and exciting things for use to do! He just capitalized on my ideas. So since I’ve moved on, it has become increasingly clear how unimaginative he is. As the blog points out, he’s tediously boring! That fact had an enormous impact on overcoming the emotional turmoil I had gone through. Once you can take off the rose colored glasses and look at your socipath…….the “yuck” factor takes hold. What comes outta his mouth takes its rightful place in considering where “it’s coming from”. Yes, time was wasted. I’m so happy that I pushed foward and didn’t waste another minute on such a dull individual that has nothing to bring to table but b.s. I don’t fell anything for my ex-sociapath, not even pity. He deserves to be trapped in his own revolving door of “nothingness”. I deserve a wonderful and meaningful life!
They’re vomitive robots. They bore and make you vomit too.
And the assholes are terribly “social” blah blah blah that says nothing and gives headache.
It should be an anti-psycho law and once one detected send it to a federal psychopathic island or somewhere just for them.
I’ve already lost two kilos of the repugnance of remembering the first one and of seeing and mostly hearing the second one.
I don’t vomit literally but they give me such a repugnance that i’ve lost the 2 kilos i had of excess. And i have had because of the stress of the last two months 3 spots in my ass. An allergic reaction to psychopaths.