Sitting with an antisocial or sociopathic client is an interesting experience—for a while, anyway, until it grows tedious”¦almost boring. There is the initial curiosity about, and fascination with, the client’s antisocial behaviors”¦their nature”¦breadth.
Perhaps there’s even a certain rubbernecking interest in the train-wreck of moral turpitude these clients present—with their staggering patterns of ethical and moral debaseness. Admittedly, it can be breathtaking, on certain levels, to behold the magnitude of their abuse of others’ boundaries and dignity, accompanied by missing feelings of accountability and remorse.
And the interest in the experience with such clients persists a bit longer when you are dealing with someone who is “intelligent.” There’s something just inherently more compelling, at least initially, about an “intelligent” sociopath who guiltlessly transgresses others in the gross, chronic way that sociopaths do, versus the less intelligent sociopath, whose intellectual limitations seem to dim, however unfairly, the spectacular nature of his violations.
But after a while, as I say, sitting with the sociopathic client, however intelligent he may even be, grows tedious. It’s not unlike the experience of discovering that someone you expected to find extremely interesting (and perhaps did, initially) is, at bottom, really a boring individual with little to say or offer. There’s something anti-climactically disappointing in the discovery of the individual’s gross limitations.
With most sociopathic personalities, in my experience, this sense of disillusionment—of of having to face the reality, ultimately, of their emotional vacuity—occurs in the work with them. As different in temperament and intelligence as they may be, ultimately sociopaths prove to be highly ungratifying clients to work with. This is because, regardless of their ability to talk the talk, they are, ultimately, unable to make themselves genuinely accountable for their actions, the fact of which, after a while, simply grows tiresome.
The sociopathic client just doesn’t feel, in a heart-felt way, so many of the things he “allegedly” is ready to own, or the reforms he is “allegedly” ready to make; and when this becomes clear—as it always does—a certain tedium, boredom enters the sessions.
This boredom, I think, arises in the recognition of the futility of making a real connection with the sociopath; also in the futility of his making any sort of real connection to the pain he’s caused others, and will continue to cause others, despite his superficial assertions of regret and remorse.
And so this is where the big yawns threaten to emerge with regularity. It’s the feeling of having your time wasted, which is exactly what the sociopath is doing. He is wasting your time, as he wastes everything from which he doesn’t derive a personally, selfishly compelling benefit.
It is that moment of untruth—that moment when it becomes clear that, no matter how verbally interesting and, perhaps, even engaging he may be, the sociopathic individual finally lacks anything substantive to say, feel, or aspire to. Lacking this substance, the possibly initially engaging experience with him yields, ultimately, to the sense of being futilely engaged with an emotional cipher.
That is, for a while his charisma, charm and engaging qualities, if they are present, may compensate for the missing underlying emotional substance. But there is a shelf-life for this compensatory entertainment before the tedium of his barren inner emotional life begins to weigh down the experience of him. There is a limit to hearing the same repetitive pronouncements of intended change, pseudo remorse and responsibility.
There is also a limit, beyond which it becomes increasingly oppressive to sit with the sociopath, who in one breath may claim responsibility for his violations of others, while in the very next withdraw his pseudo-assumption of responsibility and abruptly rationalize the very behavior that, only moments before, he seemingly repudiated?
This is the sociopath at work. Sitting with him can be an interesting experience. But as his particular, underlying emotional disability surfaces, the interest leads, surpisingly quickly, to a feeling of ennui”¦almost oppression.
(This article is copyrighted © 2011 by Steve Becker, LCSW. My use of male gender pronouns is for convenience’s sake only and not to suggest that females aren’t capable of the behaviors and attitudes discussed.)
Katy..
LOL!! Yea, I get it.
Not sure I agree with you about sandra brown though, or ox either. I”m sure there are reasons for your disagreement/disapproval of her, but I’m not sure I see why. She seems right on with the experiences. If she’s turned into a rather Narcissistic or Spathy creature as a result of her “infamy” I don’t see it yet.
Lots of good things said about her book.
If you don’t care for her, I wonder why. I think she has the psychopath element down pat.
What am I missing here?
Ll
LL
LL, the thing about books is they work for you in the space you are at. Therefore, where Sandra B is weak for me may not resonate for you at this time. When I found her, I had read a LOT of self help and brain books. I think she glosses over certain aspects which signals to me that she’s superficial b/c if she did know, she would not have stopped at such weak conclusions. But that does NOT mean she is N or S.
(my “library” is kinda funny if you know that my husband convinced me I was stupid, yet medical textbooks were casual reading for me. )
Katy,
HIlarious! I love my medical textbooks 🙂
I”ve read Bob Hare’s book, as well as martha stouts. Admittedly, not much more beyond that with regards to the psychopath. I’ve read quite a few trauma survivor books though. Ironically, I found out about Women who love Psychopaths ON THIS SITE…and a review of the book, so I bought it today.
I did go to to her site and read her columns. I think she more than “gets” it with regards to the pathological relationship. Perhaps not put into terms that are similar to a DSM-IV or a medical textbook, but in simpler terms, I thought she had the psychopath and the women involved with them, pretty accurate.
THis is a great lesson for me in that psychology is NOT an exact science. Everyone will have differing opinions. There are certainties, I think, with behaviors with regards to psychopaths, but I don’t think there has been nearly the groundbreaking work that needs to be done to register and regulate this as a true disorder to which is widely accepted and understood. I also see the VALUE in investigating VARIOUS works of others to make sense of and draw a conclusion of my experience that I can process and deal with.
I have a tendency to over analyze things, Katy. I love to read and will read just about anything I can get my hands on.
And even still, I don’t think that the experts, or those who claim to be of sociopathy, really have the right to say they’re EXPERTS.
But I think their victims sure as hell do.
LL
lesson learned, I was here late last night,
thrilled for you that everything turned out OK!!!!!
I was worried :/
LUV U!!! xoxoxo
LL,
I love how fast you are moving forward. It’s a testament to your determination. You’ve changed so much since your first posts. I’ll bet that not having cancer really helps too!!!
(((hugs)))
The stuff you are facing about yourself cannot be easy. there will be more but you’ve shown what you are made of: Solid human heart. Not steel, not stone, but real human being. You are soooo impressive.
About Sandra Brown: I have not read her book; have only vsited her web-site and read many of her articles. To me, it seems that she gets it. I think she’s got a lot to offer, but….at a price. It all seems like it’s about profit, to me. That’s what I don’t like about her! It’s just the vibe I get from her.
Wow. It is so helpful to have that aspect of life with a P articulated like that. Fairly early on in my 27 yrs with the P, I went into a deep clinical depression after he had had a heart attack. In the midst of it, I realized that NOTHING that could come out of his mouth was of interest to me. NOTHING.
But at the time, belieivng his lies about how much he loved me blah blah, I felt guilty, and felt that if I left him I would be the immoral, selfish one. Especially after he had had a heart attack, I would be the selfish bitch if I left him. Then came the depression during which time I was acutely aware that I could not leave him, and that I was in an empty, dead relationship.
As could be expected, he totally ignored my condition, and left me to work it out on my own. So I did all kinds of mental contortions to get back the “spark” etc.
I also remember well the feeling of working so hard to keep all the balls in the air, of carrying all the dinner conversations, with the kids, and with just him, of trying to stimulate our conversations, of trying to keep things interesting somehow- when we were together. He was just a blank slate.
Eventually, I knew that when he entered the room, there would be no joy. He sucked all the air out of the room, and out of me.
The regrettable thing is, I felt guilty for not loving him the way he claimed to love me, and stayed out of a sense of duty, and moral correctness. He played the role of superlative family man, extra righteous, extra dedicated husband and father, hyper responsible and committed, blah blah.
Needless to say, the shock of finding out finally and unequivicably that he really was an empty shell, and had no feelings for me or others was pretty overwhelming.
The only thing that did keep things intersting, in a negative way, was the constant drama and crisis- mostly about $$, that it turns out now, were all fabricated for my consumption, designed to keep me fearful and dependant, dancing around him as the guy to save the day, the guy who would “come through” for us.
Like Dr. Steve says, they really are time wasters. And love wasters.
Peace.
(((((((((((((((( Shabby ))))))))))))))))) !!!! Seems like awhile since I’ve seen you around?? Love you too!!!
Sky- That means SOOOOOOO much to me. Thanks for saying that. I don’t feel I’m moving, but …..I’ll not give up pushing ahead.
Kim- I would tend to agree with you on that, however, there are others who write books and profit from it. I don’t see anything innately wrong with that. I think if you know about spaths and you write about them and you help other women/men doing so and you have a gift for doing it, why not???? It’s not wrong to make a living while also helping others. The helping professions with a wide variety of specialties, medical/mental health etc, are examples of that. But if your stuff becomes famous….well, MORE will be informed with the work done and hey….maybe you could buy yourself a nice house too, or reach out even MORE in avenues that weren’t possible without the cash flow.
LL
Oh, LL, I agree. I think she deserves to profit from her book.
But her web-site is full of training seminars and such, all expensive, and in my experience, most victims don’t have loads of money for this kind of treatment.
I get a lot out of LF and it’s free.
I think about all the precious time that has been wasted, spent being an emotional wreck over the crap that the spath pulled (that was unnecessary to begin with), trying to rectify “mistakes,” agonizing over the latest trouble that had developed (somehow being brought to my attention), just an absolute waste of time. The spath is a drama-maker, creating undending headaches. Once I realized how he is as a person, that he is lacking in the smarts department, I get frustrated, angry that I spent so much time being unhinged over his stupid problems (trying to solve them), pulled into nonsense.