Sitting with an antisocial or sociopathic client is an interesting experience—for a while, anyway, until it grows tedious”¦almost boring. There is the initial curiosity about, and fascination with, the client’s antisocial behaviors”¦their nature”¦breadth.
Perhaps there’s even a certain rubbernecking interest in the train-wreck of moral turpitude these clients present—with their staggering patterns of ethical and moral debaseness. Admittedly, it can be breathtaking, on certain levels, to behold the magnitude of their abuse of others’ boundaries and dignity, accompanied by missing feelings of accountability and remorse.
And the interest in the experience with such clients persists a bit longer when you are dealing with someone who is “intelligent.” There’s something just inherently more compelling, at least initially, about an “intelligent” sociopath who guiltlessly transgresses others in the gross, chronic way that sociopaths do, versus the less intelligent sociopath, whose intellectual limitations seem to dim, however unfairly, the spectacular nature of his violations.
But after a while, as I say, sitting with the sociopathic client, however intelligent he may even be, grows tedious. It’s not unlike the experience of discovering that someone you expected to find extremely interesting (and perhaps did, initially) is, at bottom, really a boring individual with little to say or offer. There’s something anti-climactically disappointing in the discovery of the individual’s gross limitations.
With most sociopathic personalities, in my experience, this sense of disillusionment—of of having to face the reality, ultimately, of their emotional vacuity—occurs in the work with them. As different in temperament and intelligence as they may be, ultimately sociopaths prove to be highly ungratifying clients to work with. This is because, regardless of their ability to talk the talk, they are, ultimately, unable to make themselves genuinely accountable for their actions, the fact of which, after a while, simply grows tiresome.
The sociopathic client just doesn’t feel, in a heart-felt way, so many of the things he “allegedly” is ready to own, or the reforms he is “allegedly” ready to make; and when this becomes clear—as it always does—a certain tedium, boredom enters the sessions.
This boredom, I think, arises in the recognition of the futility of making a real connection with the sociopath; also in the futility of his making any sort of real connection to the pain he’s caused others, and will continue to cause others, despite his superficial assertions of regret and remorse.
And so this is where the big yawns threaten to emerge with regularity. It’s the feeling of having your time wasted, which is exactly what the sociopath is doing. He is wasting your time, as he wastes everything from which he doesn’t derive a personally, selfishly compelling benefit.
It is that moment of untruth—that moment when it becomes clear that, no matter how verbally interesting and, perhaps, even engaging he may be, the sociopathic individual finally lacks anything substantive to say, feel, or aspire to. Lacking this substance, the possibly initially engaging experience with him yields, ultimately, to the sense of being futilely engaged with an emotional cipher.
That is, for a while his charisma, charm and engaging qualities, if they are present, may compensate for the missing underlying emotional substance. But there is a shelf-life for this compensatory entertainment before the tedium of his barren inner emotional life begins to weigh down the experience of him. There is a limit to hearing the same repetitive pronouncements of intended change, pseudo remorse and responsibility.
There is also a limit, beyond which it becomes increasingly oppressive to sit with the sociopath, who in one breath may claim responsibility for his violations of others, while in the very next withdraw his pseudo-assumption of responsibility and abruptly rationalize the very behavior that, only moments before, he seemingly repudiated?
This is the sociopath at work. Sitting with him can be an interesting experience. But as his particular, underlying emotional disability surfaces, the interest leads, surpisingly quickly, to a feeling of ennui”¦almost oppression.
(This article is copyrighted © 2011 by Steve Becker, LCSW. My use of male gender pronouns is for convenience’s sake only and not to suggest that females aren’t capable of the behaviors and attitudes discussed.)
Katy
You bring up a very interesting perspective with regards to your husband recreating events with other women.
My spath’s ex wife LOVED the beach. So where is it that you think he wanted me to go for our little “love fests”? Yep, the beach.
By the way, he claimed to hate the beach.
I only went ONCE thank GOD!!! I dunno, there was something very wash, rinse, repeat about it. In others, nothing original.
LL
Yeah LL,
They know why it works to romance and hook other women b/c it is the tried and true. &^%$#@.......! My husband likes to take things a step further, he ridiculed me for my neediness at loving such a spot… while hijacking it to impress someone else.
I don’t know either what’s the use of having this knowledge further than protecting ourselves. I’ve been in Madrid today and i’ve bought two books by a spanish criminalist and psychologist that also teaches in Valencia university in the faculty of psychology. I’ve bought El psicópata: un camaleón en la sociedad actual (8th edition 35.000 books sold) and a newer one tittled Cara a cara con el psicópata (3rd ed,). The author is Vicente Garrido Genovés.
I’ve started by the oldest one El psicópata. Un camaleón en la sociedad actual, and people around, inside the train and also outside that i started reading stared at the book, they clearly feel attracted to the subject but i’m sure it’s because of the morbid component. They also obseved me for indications of psychopathy 😀
Lesson Learned
Yes, I’m still with him. I will eventually leave if/when I feel mentally healthy enough to live in the “real” world. Right now I feel overwhelmed with PTSD from the tip of my toes to the top of my head.
I need to absorb enough information to feel confident that I will leave cleanly… with no warped, psychological reasoning regarding ever returning. I also fear repeating my seemingly natural desire to become involved with insanely “normal to me” jerks. Prior to leaving, I really want to learn enough information to hopefully help myself avoid repeating my past, horrid relationship/partner decisions.
L.F. posts offer me a lot to incite to gain the confidence needed to leave and stand on my own. I really appreciate all of the help and encouragement I’ve drawn from fellow victims posts. Those posts have helped me to sort through my thoughts while also allowing me to feel sane while dealing with a bully.
I’ve been in hell three times…N father, first (really nasty…even held me at gun point) husband, and present (extremely disturbing personality) husband. My relationship choices have gotten increasingly worse as I’ve grown older. I dread the thought that I could leave and get myself involved in an even worse relationship…so far no serial killers…just mental killers.
My newly adopted rules say… three times and when I’m gone, I’m planning to be out of relationship hell for good!
Eva, those books sound interesting. Let me know what you think when you’ve read them.
The other thing I’m hoping to learn by studying the P’s is WHY/HOW they are able to convince normal people to participate in their schemes. What makes a “normal” turn “evil”? Is it that easy to incite hatred? Or was the “normal” never actually “normal”?
Katy,
your husband is pathetic, just like they all are. clones and clowns.
My own exP was being his best friend, (my BF) but I’m not sure who he was trying to impress, I don’t think it was me, I think it was himself. I don’t know why he chose to do everything that my BF does, since he met me a couple of years before he met my BF and I was already hooked on the spath. Perhaps he was afraid I was outgrowing him and he had to find a new “skin” before he bored me away. It worked.
It was like a miracle when I went to pay one of the bills spath left me with and there was BF standing in the store. I hadn’t seen him for 20 years. He was able to fill in so many holes in the story.
Dear IMconfused,
I suggest you read “A mind of its own” by CORDELIA FINE, PhD it will answer A lot I think of your questions about why you make some of the decisions you do and “pick” disordered people in a repeating cycle.
You CAN stand on your own in the real world, and a lot more easily than you can stand on the rocking floor with a psychopath shaking the floor—it is kind of like learning to walk on a boat, and then when you get on dry land it “feels funny” (odd) but it is really much easier to stand up on dry land than to balance ourselves on the ever-rocking floor of the psychopathic relationship.
I’m not sure why you are staying, if it is for financial support, children, or what, as I am afraid I don’t remember your story except what you said here that you are still “with him.”
I do suggest that you get some counseling or that you attend a group for co-dependents or enablers (whatever words you want to call it) but for people who set themselves up for repeating a pattern of failures, whether it is with alcohol, drugs, or relationships. It is kind of scary to have to have a real intimate relationship with HONESTY but I’m starting to LIKE THAT KIND OF RELATIONSHIP. It hurts at times when we have to accept that some of the people we love are abusive, dishonest, or not really caring for us—we’d much rather think they love us, but in accepting that they don’t, and in taking care of ourselves FIRST, we learn that those people aren’t as important as we thought they were. It is much more important to have PEACE AND CALM than to have unneeded and painful drama in our lives. Good luck! Keep on reading and learning! God bless.
Of course i will skylar. I was mostly interested in the second one (the second very famous i mean. This man has lots of bibliography but much of it is about criminal psychopaths and violence against women) “Cara a cara con el psicópata” because he says he wrote it because people asked him how to get rid of a psychopath in work relationships and similar, not just how to recognize them that it is what he explains in “El Psicópata. Un camaleón en la sociedad actual”, which was so well sold (8th editions and 35.000 copies sold is a lot. Seems there is more interest in the subject than one would have thought a priori)
IMconfused,
Regarding your husband, it may be that you’re staying with what you know, what you’re familiar with (I am not being critical of you). Making positive changes can be scary, I know. My h-spath left me, being grateful for that. When we were together, he would pull some of the same baloney, putting a stop on the mail (especially if he didn’t want me to see something that would be incriminating to him), hid my cell phone (when he was angry with me), etc., not caring anything about my emotional state. Some of his actions proved that he was a cold, callous individual. He would lie to my face, being non-plussed about it. I came to feel that I was dealing with a looney-tune, being absolutely devastated by my discoveries about him, maddening and tiring at the same time. The mask is off and I’ve noticed that he never bothers being charming or wonderful to me, oftentimes being miffed with me because I’ll correct him, trying to get the facts to his stories straight – it irritates him. Oh well. Usually, if he doesn’t want to explain himself, he will simply stop talking, dropping the subject matter, leaving you hanging, not getting the answers that you deserve to have (he lacks common decency).
Confused,
I’m sorry you’re experiencing the situation that you are.
I think everyone’s advice here is really spot on. I lived married to a P, prior to ex spath bf for twenty years, with six children. I don’t know what your situation is, but I can honestly tell you that I FEARED being alone and out in the world. I was so ripe for spath bf because of it. I was so frightened of being alone, without an income, very sick at the time, being a single mom, it almost felt better to be with him than to be without him….until he abused my son. And that was that.
Now I AM TOTALLY alone. No man in my life. Fear of having another relationshit, but I can tell you, I’d rather live in this fear, than living with someone who wishes only to destroy me FURTHER….
I’m not wanting to appear critical of you either. This is entirely YOUR decision and only YOU know what elements prevent you from leaving or what are those that keep you there…..
I’m supportive either way because A. you’re here blogging and reading and B. sometimes it takes time to get away. Especially when you know what you’re dealing with, and in this way, you’re INCREDIBLY fortunate!
Perhaps sitting down and writing out a plan for yourself, what leaving would look like…how you would support yourself….etc….might help?
Either way, I hope you keep posting!!
Blessings, Confused. You’ll get it 🙂
LL
Katy,
Ya know what? The is THE quintessential spathy BULLSHIT that makes me SO ANGRY!!!!
Wanna good laugh, katy? A few months ago, spath posted a comment on a his face book to a former fellow parishioner (before spathy left his church with tail between his legs because ex wife went there too), a youth pastor at this church. Bastard! HE BORROWED A LINE THAT I HAD DISCUSSED WITH HIM WITH REGARDS TO MARRIAGE< WORD FOR EFFING WORD!!!
I was SO PISSED! I felt RAPED when I read that. BASTARD!! We were still "involved" at that point and I wrote him a long nasty email about it. HOW DARE YOU APPOINT YOURSELF AS THE KNOW IT ALL OF MARRIAGES YOU DIRTY MOTHER **)(&_(*&*
You get my drift. What I didn't get was that that comment, the line he borrowed from me about marriage was directed at his ex wife, playing the classical victim role. I WAS SO PISSED! HOW DARE HE TRY TO USE MY WORDS TO HURT HER!! FUCKER!!
I hate that bastard. I FUCKING HATE HIM!!!
Sorry, whenever I think about what he did…………ohhhhhhhhh so pissed!!! He also borrowed some of what I "taught" him and took it home as lines for his ex wife.
Bastard.
Paramoralisms to the NTH Degree!!
LL