This is a very tragic story left by one of our readers:
My daughter was misdiagnosed with ADHD. Then bipolar disorder, then Oppositional Defiance Disorder. I stormed out of her psychologist office when she told me that she saw something “dark” in my child. That was when she was 7. When she was 8, her sociopathy increased and she purposely drowned my poodle. She also tried to smother my baby by my second husband. The strain of her and my carrying the baggage from my last relationship has driven he and I apart and we currently trying to file for divorce.
She steals daily, has even stolen as much as $500 from my wallet. I lock things away, and she will simply pry open the lock, break the lock or disable locked windows so she can climb in for access to everything. My son sleeps with his father at night at his own home, while I sit here at night, catching her lurking through the dark, stealing whatever she can get her hands on (i.e., money, jewelry, food, perfume). If I try to discipline her, she simply runs off and screams to the top of her lungs “don’t kill me”, which causes the neighbors to call the police. Just this morning, I discovered money missing and brand new snacks I bought last night for the baby and all of us to share GONE. Every single day she steals. I have to sleep at night and when I do, she lurks in the dark, prying open things, destroying things.
It’s like if she is alone for a moment, she does something way over the edge. Like this morning, I caught her chopping blooms from cacti I planted with a mini shovel, I mean she looked like the LAST SAMARI. I am being victimized everyday and feel like she is the hunter in my home and I am the hunted. I have arranged for an IEP at her school and it is my goal to get her placed in a facility in Utah where they house and treat child psychopaths or excuse me, Oppositional Defiant children because liberal America will not allow her to be called what she truly is until she turns 18.
The issue of likely outcome is more difficult in child psychiatry than it is in any other aspect of medicine. Think for a moment, if a child has cancer and we know that 65% of children with this cancer die, what does that tell us about our particular child? I chose the number 65% because that is the percentage of conduct disordered teens that went on to develop antisocial personality as adults in one study.
When we consider studies of conduct disorder, oppositional defiant disorder and symptoms of psychopathy in children we have to consider that most of these studies are done on a special population of children that are being treated at University based clinics. So the information about prognoses we get is likely pessimistic. Sill not even these studies show that 100% of children with these symptoms have them into mid adulthood.
I would like to tell you about three children, I watched grow up. These children show us that we have to be careful about trying to predict adult personality function on the basis of what we see in a child.
The first child is a neighbor of mine. When she was 7 she was so fearful and shy that she refused to go on play dates. I spoke to her mother about this and her mother indicated that symptoms of anxiety tended to run in their families. Well, I saw that girl again at 14 and I can tell you she is “popular” and not at all shy. I asked her mother about what happened. Her reply was, “Yeh, she grew out of it.”
The second child is a boy who was a sibling of one of my daughter’s friends. At 7 he was a mess, very impulsive and easily angered. So much so he got into trouble in religious school. At 13 this boy is controlled and polite, a fine young man.
The last child is a boy I grew up with. I was always an animal lover. This boy’s behavior disgusted me because at 7 he captured lizards, stuck sticks through their mouths and killed them. He then put his kills in the street for cars to run them over. I hated that kid! Well, he did not grow up to be a psychopath. He is a loving husband, responsible father and business owner.
Video of 7 year-old Latarian
After introducing this background, I would like you to watch the video of Latarian Milton, a 7 year old who stole his mother’s car. (This video was recommended in one of our reader’s comments and I appreciate that.)
Go to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itgcNy3L_Xc This boy demonstrates for us what psychopathic personality traits look like in children. He shows no remorse and says he enjoys doing bad things. He doesn’t care about the consequences of his actions because for him the fact that he gets enjoyment justifies everything. The comments left on Youtube reveal that many people have one of two incorrect views of psychopathy in children. The first is that it can be cured by beating the child. The second is that it invariably leads to a disordered adult.
If there was only a 10 percent chance that a child’s cancer could be cured, most people would still advocate that the child get aggressive cancer treatment. The odds for disordered kids are at least that and yet many people say they should be written off and secretly believe they should either be euthanized or imprisoned for life.
What should be done to help psychopathic children?
Psychopathic children do have the same issues as psychopathic adults. Namely, their pleasure system is warped and their impulse control system is defective. The difference is that these two systems are more changeable in a child than they are in an adult.
Psychopathic children enjoy “being bad” (to quote Latarian in the video above) more than they enjoy anything else. What they need is to be taught how to enjoy loving human connections. If they can learn to enjoy loving, then they have a chance at developing a modicum of empathy and conscience. This is where our pessimistic view of psychopathic children can become a self-fulfilling prophesy. Studies show that the parents of such children often dislike them. The people who advocate writing off these kids do not help these parents. Parenting an at-risk child is the most difficult task many will ever have to face.
We have to support the parents of psychopathic children and encourage them to try to find something in the child they do like and can connect with. Psychopathic children require constant adult supervision and affectionate adult companionship.
Psychopathic children also need to be taught about the nature of impulses and morality. They need verbal lessons as well as real life lessons in the form of consequences. Studies show that when parents of psychopathic children dislike them, they often pull back and do not provide the consistent teaching of impulse control these kids need.
There is also another side to the prognosis coin. That is that many children who appear to be “normal” grow up to be psychopathic. I know this from two sources, scientific studies and people who write me. Dr. Hare has said the antisocial behavior that leads to sociopathy/psychopathy begins during childhood and adolescence. I agree with him, but the problem is that this antisocial behavior can take many forms. For example, lying, stealing and being aggressive toward a sibling are all behaviors that many sociopaths showed during childhood. Many children engage in these behaviors and so again we may consider them “normal.”
How can we prevent sociopathy in adults?
Behavioral science has revealed a great deal about what we can do to give all children the best chance. I was at a conference this week and one of the speakers noted that the State of California bases its estimate on the future need for prison space on the reading scores of children in 3rd grade! In addition to effective parenting, at-risk children need to have quality education. Right now our practice is to take troubled children and group them together for school. Not only do they all then get a substandard education, but they get to teach each other more antisocial behavior!
As a society, we are far from doing our best for psychopathic kids. Some children will develop disordered in spite of the best parenting and professional help. YOU WILL NOT KNOW IF YOUR CHILD IS IN THAT GROUP UNTIL YOU HAVE GIVEN HIM THE BEST PARENTING AND PROFESSIONAL HELP AVAILABLE. Medication may be necessary for some children. If you have done your best as parent and your child still has problems, forgive yourself. Rest assured that his problems would be much worse if you had not done your best.
I want to end with what I believe are the 10 attributes of effective parents:
Summary of Effective Parenting
- Effective parents are warm and empathetic.
- Effective parents reward good behavior.
- Effective parents establish clear rules and enforce them through limit setting.
- Effective parents model good behavior.
- Effective parents teach impulse control, respect and values.
- Effective parents surround their children with positive influences.
- Effective parents protect their children from entering into situations they won’t be able to handle.
- Effective parents teach age appropriate life skills.
- Effective parents have fun with their children.
jlarue, maybe everyone is out at the after Christmas sales!
I’m glad you figured out what your niece is,
you’re right, once we comprehend what’s going on
and take steps to protect ourselves…
then the healing can begin.
I just wrote something about this last night,
how we can “shut down”, as quest said,
because these people are so different than we are
that we don’t “get” what’s going on and we can’t
process it in our mind because we don’t have the
correct knowledge.
Doesn’t make it any easier to grieve for a lost niece,
I know you must have loved her very much,
but it helps all of us to understand how critical
it is to accept “what is”. God Bless.
I discovered to day that the person my niece claimed beat her up and threatened to kill her is a friend on her facebook account along with the woman’s niece. We even went to court to get a peace order and it is still in affect. I wonder is there is any legal action I could take to get her thrown in jail? I am still paying the attorney’s fees for all of this stuff.
Dear Jlarue,
The best thing I think you can do is to NOT STIR THE CHIT! No matter how we go about it, if we stir it it just makes the stink worse. NO contact, means don’t look at their face book, don’t read what they send, don’t don’t listen to the the voice mails. Just NO CONTACT of any kind, either directly or indirectly.
Your choice at the time was to spend the money to hire the attorney and get a peace bond on the other person, but your niece is the one who is choosing NOW to associate with her on FB, just the fact that you paid the money for the attorney doesn’t really make it any of your business NOW. DISTANCE yourself from your niece and ANYONE who has anything to do with her. I understand your frustration at having spent that money, but that was what you thought THEN was the right thing to do, NOW you realize you can’t help your niece and she is going to make her own road hard, but you can’t do anything to fix that. ((((hugs)))) and PEACE. NO CONTACT!!!
THANK YOU. I needed to hear that.
I am beginning to write a book about my experiences and one of the things I realize is that I was set up like a pedophile sets up his/her victim. There is a grooming process. I wonder how many have felt this way. I guess when you have no conscience, it is easy to set people up.
Dear Jlarue,
I would say 100% of us, we call it the “love bomb” and that is between the time they are starting to groom us and when have us hooked enough that the abuse starts.
Any time you meet someone and they “love bomb” you or “friend bomb” you—–LOOK OUT! you have either met a psychopath or a Borderline Personality Disorder, they both frequently use the LOVE BOMB and other similar tactics.
I wonder if one of the things that makes it hard for us to see the love bomb for what it is, is that is how kids and teens bond – ‘all-in’ from the get go. So, would that mean we have immature boundaries? Ummm, that sounds about right. And ‘immature’ boundaries in general are signified by undeveloped discernment.
our whole lives we are learning things and making decisions about what to let in our lives based on our experience and core beliefs (which is where I would say our betrayal/ trauma bonds sit); about what is acceptable to us and ‘good’ for us. for those of us who have been targeted by spaths at an early age, I’d say our trauma bonds probably trump most of what we learn as we develop our boundaries (especially at the deep level that spaths manipulate); and for those of us who didn’t experience this evil until later in life, I think it is our naïveté about the existence of evil that most affects our ability to discern what we are dealing with, and not let it into our lives. For most of us it is a combo of the two that makes us good targets. We have to heal both wounds/ weaknesses, AND sort the destruction left by the spath.
one, well… you just described me to a “T”.
One, I think you just described exactly what we have to do.
Those CORE beliefs that we are taught at home and at school, either verbally or by example are MANY TIMES not true.
“It takes two to fight.” meaning that both parties must be wrong, (WRONG)
“There is good deep down in everyone” (WRONG)
“There are two (valid) sides to every story.” (WRONG)
“If you are good to people they will be good back to you” (WRONG in many cases)
“Parents ALWAYS do what is best for their children” (WRONG)
“Blood is thicker than water.” (WRONG)
“Families should always stick together no matter what.” (WRONG)
“Only people who go to our church are going to heaven.” (WRONG)
“You but always forgive (and trust) someone who asks you for forgiveness even if they are still doing that thing.” (WRONG!)
And so on…..there are hundreds of “core beliefs” that we are taught from birth that are the basis for what we believe and function under that are not necessarily true, or are even completely WRONG, yet it is difficult to figure out these beliefs because they have become “part of us” and our thinking and we base things we do and say and think on these core beliefs with “I know I SHOULD feel/DO_______, because______”
It is only when we become aware that these core beliefs are false that we can examine them and realize that they are wrong or twisted.
One of my core beliefs was that “Mama would never do anything to deliberately hurt me.” Everything I did in relationship to her was BASED on that core belief that nothing she did even if it hurt was DONE DELIBERATELY TO HURT ME. The day she actually told me she had DELIBERATELY HURT ME, lied and accused me of something she knew I wasn’t guilty of DELIBERATELY TO HURT ME, I was stunned. I had functioned on the CORE TRUTH that she would never deliberately hurt me, when in fact, she had done so many times but I had glossed over those things with the salve of “Nah, she wouldn’t deliberately do that to hurt me.” So I could ACCEPT the pain and since it was not deliberate (according to my filter “core truth”) I could continue to trust her.
Once I saw the TRUTH that she could and would and had deliberately hurt me, the things that she had done in the past to deliberately hurt me came in to sharper focus and I realized I had been seeing them through that “rosy filter glass” of my belief that she would not deliberately hurt me.
As long as I used that FILTER on everything she did, I got no critical feed back in my relationship with her to judge what was actually going on.
Examining our core beliefs and prejudices, the philosophies under which we function and judge events and other’s behaviors determines how we interpret what is going on in this life. How we respond.
For example, if someone you do not like slaps you on the shoulder very hard and knocks you down, and you break your arm, you are most likely MAD AS HECK. If however a friend slaps you on the back playfully and you fall down and break your arm you still have a broken arm, but you do not attribute MALICE to the friend, where you would probably attribute malice to the person you didn’t like that did the same thing.
I know this is off topic but in a way it isnt. I have a psychologist involved to “monitor” our kids. It helps me to havea professional see their behaviors and sort out normal from red flags as they grow. They have strong genetics from the ex side for mental illness.
I dont read or post much on this blog but have received so much help when I do. Today I need advice. I have no contact in place except for this:
My ex and I see a psychologist together to “discuss” the schedule and any other problems related to our 3 children. The cost is split. These meetings accomplish very little.
I see that the ex refuses to communicate and basically “creates” problems to discuss in this forum; then does NOT follow thru to resolve the problems…that way we can “meet” again. This has ranged from putting kids in middle of situations to refusing to pay support. Some of these “problems” eventually get resolved but it takes repeated meetings to do so.
I have decided not to go along with this game further. It is humiliating, frustrating, costly and feeds the sickness. Basically it is the abuse repeated in a professionals office -and at my expense! Attorneys worked this one out between them at settlement.
Please advise how best to do this-I have 3 options:
1.the “everything” is fine option. No problems to discuss. Schedule will be emailed with a default date to respond.
2. straight up call it a game option. I am not playing anymore.
3. email the issues (right now it is providing insurance for children) and tell the psych. to handle this in a private meeting with ex. Not my issue since ex is court ordered to provide.