This is a very tragic story left by one of our readers:
My daughter was misdiagnosed with ADHD. Then bipolar disorder, then Oppositional Defiance Disorder. I stormed out of her psychologist office when she told me that she saw something “dark” in my child. That was when she was 7. When she was 8, her sociopathy increased and she purposely drowned my poodle. She also tried to smother my baby by my second husband. The strain of her and my carrying the baggage from my last relationship has driven he and I apart and we currently trying to file for divorce.
She steals daily, has even stolen as much as $500 from my wallet. I lock things away, and she will simply pry open the lock, break the lock or disable locked windows so she can climb in for access to everything. My son sleeps with his father at night at his own home, while I sit here at night, catching her lurking through the dark, stealing whatever she can get her hands on (i.e., money, jewelry, food, perfume). If I try to discipline her, she simply runs off and screams to the top of her lungs “don’t kill me”, which causes the neighbors to call the police. Just this morning, I discovered money missing and brand new snacks I bought last night for the baby and all of us to share GONE. Every single day she steals. I have to sleep at night and when I do, she lurks in the dark, prying open things, destroying things.
It’s like if she is alone for a moment, she does something way over the edge. Like this morning, I caught her chopping blooms from cacti I planted with a mini shovel, I mean she looked like the LAST SAMARI. I am being victimized everyday and feel like she is the hunter in my home and I am the hunted. I have arranged for an IEP at her school and it is my goal to get her placed in a facility in Utah where they house and treat child psychopaths or excuse me, Oppositional Defiant children because liberal America will not allow her to be called what she truly is until she turns 18.
The issue of likely outcome is more difficult in child psychiatry than it is in any other aspect of medicine. Think for a moment, if a child has cancer and we know that 65% of children with this cancer die, what does that tell us about our particular child? I chose the number 65% because that is the percentage of conduct disordered teens that went on to develop antisocial personality as adults in one study.
When we consider studies of conduct disorder, oppositional defiant disorder and symptoms of psychopathy in children we have to consider that most of these studies are done on a special population of children that are being treated at University based clinics. So the information about prognoses we get is likely pessimistic. Sill not even these studies show that 100% of children with these symptoms have them into mid adulthood.
I would like to tell you about three children, I watched grow up. These children show us that we have to be careful about trying to predict adult personality function on the basis of what we see in a child.
The first child is a neighbor of mine. When she was 7 she was so fearful and shy that she refused to go on play dates. I spoke to her mother about this and her mother indicated that symptoms of anxiety tended to run in their families. Well, I saw that girl again at 14 and I can tell you she is “popular” and not at all shy. I asked her mother about what happened. Her reply was, “Yeh, she grew out of it.”
The second child is a boy who was a sibling of one of my daughter’s friends. At 7 he was a mess, very impulsive and easily angered. So much so he got into trouble in religious school. At 13 this boy is controlled and polite, a fine young man.
The last child is a boy I grew up with. I was always an animal lover. This boy’s behavior disgusted me because at 7 he captured lizards, stuck sticks through their mouths and killed them. He then put his kills in the street for cars to run them over. I hated that kid! Well, he did not grow up to be a psychopath. He is a loving husband, responsible father and business owner.
Video of 7 year-old Latarian
After introducing this background, I would like you to watch the video of Latarian Milton, a 7 year old who stole his mother’s car. (This video was recommended in one of our reader’s comments and I appreciate that.)
Go to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itgcNy3L_Xc This boy demonstrates for us what psychopathic personality traits look like in children. He shows no remorse and says he enjoys doing bad things. He doesn’t care about the consequences of his actions because for him the fact that he gets enjoyment justifies everything. The comments left on Youtube reveal that many people have one of two incorrect views of psychopathy in children. The first is that it can be cured by beating the child. The second is that it invariably leads to a disordered adult.
If there was only a 10 percent chance that a child’s cancer could be cured, most people would still advocate that the child get aggressive cancer treatment. The odds for disordered kids are at least that and yet many people say they should be written off and secretly believe they should either be euthanized or imprisoned for life.
What should be done to help psychopathic children?
Psychopathic children do have the same issues as psychopathic adults. Namely, their pleasure system is warped and their impulse control system is defective. The difference is that these two systems are more changeable in a child than they are in an adult.
Psychopathic children enjoy “being bad” (to quote Latarian in the video above) more than they enjoy anything else. What they need is to be taught how to enjoy loving human connections. If they can learn to enjoy loving, then they have a chance at developing a modicum of empathy and conscience. This is where our pessimistic view of psychopathic children can become a self-fulfilling prophesy. Studies show that the parents of such children often dislike them. The people who advocate writing off these kids do not help these parents. Parenting an at-risk child is the most difficult task many will ever have to face.
We have to support the parents of psychopathic children and encourage them to try to find something in the child they do like and can connect with. Psychopathic children require constant adult supervision and affectionate adult companionship.
Psychopathic children also need to be taught about the nature of impulses and morality. They need verbal lessons as well as real life lessons in the form of consequences. Studies show that when parents of psychopathic children dislike them, they often pull back and do not provide the consistent teaching of impulse control these kids need.
There is also another side to the prognosis coin. That is that many children who appear to be “normal” grow up to be psychopathic. I know this from two sources, scientific studies and people who write me. Dr. Hare has said the antisocial behavior that leads to sociopathy/psychopathy begins during childhood and adolescence. I agree with him, but the problem is that this antisocial behavior can take many forms. For example, lying, stealing and being aggressive toward a sibling are all behaviors that many sociopaths showed during childhood. Many children engage in these behaviors and so again we may consider them “normal.”
How can we prevent sociopathy in adults?
Behavioral science has revealed a great deal about what we can do to give all children the best chance. I was at a conference this week and one of the speakers noted that the State of California bases its estimate on the future need for prison space on the reading scores of children in 3rd grade! In addition to effective parenting, at-risk children need to have quality education. Right now our practice is to take troubled children and group them together for school. Not only do they all then get a substandard education, but they get to teach each other more antisocial behavior!
As a society, we are far from doing our best for psychopathic kids. Some children will develop disordered in spite of the best parenting and professional help. YOU WILL NOT KNOW IF YOUR CHILD IS IN THAT GROUP UNTIL YOU HAVE GIVEN HIM THE BEST PARENTING AND PROFESSIONAL HELP AVAILABLE. Medication may be necessary for some children. If you have done your best as parent and your child still has problems, forgive yourself. Rest assured that his problems would be much worse if you had not done your best.
I want to end with what I believe are the 10 attributes of effective parents:
Summary of Effective Parenting
- Effective parents are warm and empathetic.
- Effective parents reward good behavior.
- Effective parents establish clear rules and enforce them through limit setting.
- Effective parents model good behavior.
- Effective parents teach impulse control, respect and values.
- Effective parents surround their children with positive influences.
- Effective parents protect their children from entering into situations they won’t be able to handle.
- Effective parents teach age appropriate life skills.
- Effective parents have fun with their children.
flowerpower – are the sessions court mandated? if you don’t go are their legal repercussions?
i’d vote for door #3 – it achieves door #2 without having to say it, and potentially saves you a lot of hassle. (#3 sets a boundary without having to have a confrontation about his BS – which is not really the point; the point is, you want him to do what he is mandated to.)
Will the physchologist go for this? Does he/she know what he is? Could he/she mess things up in any way?
oxy and shabby – will be back later tonight to respond! xo
flower,
your description of your meetings reminds me of the meetings we had in our water association with the board members. The secretary was a board member for 12 years, as other board members came and went, so she would bring up old issues and ask the board to solve them but never actually finish. As new members came on the board, she would bring up the old issues as if they were new issues and continue the cycle…
I think meetings bring this out in lots of people. They feel like they are getting attention because they are important. So they go into a fantasy land and create issues to get more attention.
If I were you, I would choose #2. and explain to the psychologist that your P is just trying to get attention and create distractions. He is looking for a psychological reward that has no meaningful resolution for anyone but him. Once your psychiatrist sees this, you can both just give the P a dirty look and commence discussion of the real issues. When he stops getting his psychological reward, he will stop pulling the lever and pushing your buttons.
thanks skylar and one-step:
Yes the mtgs are part of settlement agreeement signed off by court. I dont want to appear uncooperative..so I tend to want to set a boundary rather than a refusal. An if…then scenario.
I can email and say that if last issues are not resolved–even if new “problems” are there, then psych should meet alone with ex. since joint mtgs are not accomplishing the task.
This also makes it clear that:
1.there should be resolution in our joint mtg-ex is rewarded with another joint meeting IF problem is resolved (in this case, insurance provision)
2.I am not interested in rehashing old problems
3. ex is responsible financially for meeting alone and that plus not having me there might motivate resolution
thanks! will try it and let you know.
BTW-the psych. is in place to keep us out of court bc my ex threatened to “bleed me dry” there. He is very wealthy
Dear Flower,
I think you are right the “meetings” are his way of getting to you and continuing to make your life miserable. I think I would say, “There’s nothing to discuss–there IS NO PROBLEMS—the court already ordered him to pay the insurance, so I see no problem to resolve.”
You may end up having to go back to court if he continues to use this to get to you and make you appear “uncooperative” and that looks like what he is doing.
Maybe you can use that internet program here–can’t remember the name of it, but there is a thread about it on here—where everything is handled and timed over the internet, an schedules made and so it keeps no contact pretty much –FAMILY WIZARD? that might be the name of it.
Well, he might actually “bleed you dry” so that is another thing you have to figure in the deal. What a mess, I am sorry you are going through this drama-rama! (((hugs))) and God bless.
i just have a few minutes before the last ‘friend’ standing shows up for dinner.
sigh.
when i met her she smoked pot. 8 months ago she ‘quit’, but i understand that she is smoking again. she was the lone person who gave a ratts butt about spathy, and actually read ‘the s next door.’
we have had some rough bits the last couple of months. i know, in part, it is do to a seasonal/ situational depression on her part; and to my PTSD. okay.
so she has been avoiding me a bit lately, and i have been feeling rejected. today, we made plans for dinner tongiht. while on the phone i heard an unusual sound comign from her place and i asked her what it was. she said, ‘a bong.’
o is for umbrella. I asked, ‘a what?’ couldn’t believe my ears. thought i had been very clear about not smoking dope when in conversation with me, or before meeting me.she can do what she wants, she just can’t do it and be around me.
she got defensive when i talked to her about it…oh yah, the sign of addiction. i am angry. i think this will be one of the last times we spend togehter. she said she’d take my ‘concern under advisement’. hell no! it’s a deal breaker for me.
another one bites the dust. sigh.
The only way to deal with an addict is to cut them out of your life..TOUGH LOVE…I too have lost many friends to drugs…some died and the others are still using.
Oxy,
Isnt it interesting that setting a boundary of not going to meet with an uncooperative, noncommunicative, even threatening person is mandated by the court as being “in the best interests” of the children”?
I think the intent was for all of this to settle and reduce conflict. It actually gives the ex a forum to create it and I have to go there and “pretend” the conflict is absent. Remember that it takes 2 to fight? That is not true— when one side continues to fight, the other becomes the punching bag…
Drama it is…I shall go in an accept my oscar for acting like all is well. Meanwhile, no insurance, no respect and no one can make this person behave and that is very obvious. Maybe my next role will be as the disappearing person…
One,
I understand that you did set a boundary and that you don’t like to be around drugs. but is there any particular behavior that you don’t like about this person when they are high? Some people act the same they are high as when they are not. Also I think that this particular drug is usually used as a coping mechanism for stress by people who have never learned other ways to cope. Perhaps it’s time to address what kind of stresses she is dealing with. Maybe she’s tired of hearing about socios. My BF very rudely told me for the upteenth time that he doesn’t like to hear about sociopaths every day. Well he has listened for over a year…but its on my mind 24/7 and takes up 95% of my brain processes so its bound to come out when I open my mouth. But it is a very dark and stressful subject for most people, so I can understand.
My niece was in therapy and she would drag me in there for something stupid. She would say that I didnt let her have friends when in fact she just wanted a bunch of boys to have sex with.