This is a very tragic story left by one of our readers:
My daughter was misdiagnosed with ADHD. Then bipolar disorder, then Oppositional Defiance Disorder. I stormed out of her psychologist office when she told me that she saw something “dark” in my child. That was when she was 7. When she was 8, her sociopathy increased and she purposely drowned my poodle. She also tried to smother my baby by my second husband. The strain of her and my carrying the baggage from my last relationship has driven he and I apart and we currently trying to file for divorce.
She steals daily, has even stolen as much as $500 from my wallet. I lock things away, and she will simply pry open the lock, break the lock or disable locked windows so she can climb in for access to everything. My son sleeps with his father at night at his own home, while I sit here at night, catching her lurking through the dark, stealing whatever she can get her hands on (i.e., money, jewelry, food, perfume). If I try to discipline her, she simply runs off and screams to the top of her lungs “don’t kill me”, which causes the neighbors to call the police. Just this morning, I discovered money missing and brand new snacks I bought last night for the baby and all of us to share GONE. Every single day she steals. I have to sleep at night and when I do, she lurks in the dark, prying open things, destroying things.
It’s like if she is alone for a moment, she does something way over the edge. Like this morning, I caught her chopping blooms from cacti I planted with a mini shovel, I mean she looked like the LAST SAMARI. I am being victimized everyday and feel like she is the hunter in my home and I am the hunted. I have arranged for an IEP at her school and it is my goal to get her placed in a facility in Utah where they house and treat child psychopaths or excuse me, Oppositional Defiant children because liberal America will not allow her to be called what she truly is until she turns 18.
The issue of likely outcome is more difficult in child psychiatry than it is in any other aspect of medicine. Think for a moment, if a child has cancer and we know that 65% of children with this cancer die, what does that tell us about our particular child? I chose the number 65% because that is the percentage of conduct disordered teens that went on to develop antisocial personality as adults in one study.
When we consider studies of conduct disorder, oppositional defiant disorder and symptoms of psychopathy in children we have to consider that most of these studies are done on a special population of children that are being treated at University based clinics. So the information about prognoses we get is likely pessimistic. Sill not even these studies show that 100% of children with these symptoms have them into mid adulthood.
I would like to tell you about three children, I watched grow up. These children show us that we have to be careful about trying to predict adult personality function on the basis of what we see in a child.
The first child is a neighbor of mine. When she was 7 she was so fearful and shy that she refused to go on play dates. I spoke to her mother about this and her mother indicated that symptoms of anxiety tended to run in their families. Well, I saw that girl again at 14 and I can tell you she is “popular” and not at all shy. I asked her mother about what happened. Her reply was, “Yeh, she grew out of it.”
The second child is a boy who was a sibling of one of my daughter’s friends. At 7 he was a mess, very impulsive and easily angered. So much so he got into trouble in religious school. At 13 this boy is controlled and polite, a fine young man.
The last child is a boy I grew up with. I was always an animal lover. This boy’s behavior disgusted me because at 7 he captured lizards, stuck sticks through their mouths and killed them. He then put his kills in the street for cars to run them over. I hated that kid! Well, he did not grow up to be a psychopath. He is a loving husband, responsible father and business owner.
Video of 7 year-old Latarian
After introducing this background, I would like you to watch the video of Latarian Milton, a 7 year old who stole his mother’s car. (This video was recommended in one of our reader’s comments and I appreciate that.)
Go to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itgcNy3L_Xc This boy demonstrates for us what psychopathic personality traits look like in children. He shows no remorse and says he enjoys doing bad things. He doesn’t care about the consequences of his actions because for him the fact that he gets enjoyment justifies everything. The comments left on Youtube reveal that many people have one of two incorrect views of psychopathy in children. The first is that it can be cured by beating the child. The second is that it invariably leads to a disordered adult.
If there was only a 10 percent chance that a child’s cancer could be cured, most people would still advocate that the child get aggressive cancer treatment. The odds for disordered kids are at least that and yet many people say they should be written off and secretly believe they should either be euthanized or imprisoned for life.
What should be done to help psychopathic children?
Psychopathic children do have the same issues as psychopathic adults. Namely, their pleasure system is warped and their impulse control system is defective. The difference is that these two systems are more changeable in a child than they are in an adult.
Psychopathic children enjoy “being bad” (to quote Latarian in the video above) more than they enjoy anything else. What they need is to be taught how to enjoy loving human connections. If they can learn to enjoy loving, then they have a chance at developing a modicum of empathy and conscience. This is where our pessimistic view of psychopathic children can become a self-fulfilling prophesy. Studies show that the parents of such children often dislike them. The people who advocate writing off these kids do not help these parents. Parenting an at-risk child is the most difficult task many will ever have to face.
We have to support the parents of psychopathic children and encourage them to try to find something in the child they do like and can connect with. Psychopathic children require constant adult supervision and affectionate adult companionship.
Psychopathic children also need to be taught about the nature of impulses and morality. They need verbal lessons as well as real life lessons in the form of consequences. Studies show that when parents of psychopathic children dislike them, they often pull back and do not provide the consistent teaching of impulse control these kids need.
There is also another side to the prognosis coin. That is that many children who appear to be “normal” grow up to be psychopathic. I know this from two sources, scientific studies and people who write me. Dr. Hare has said the antisocial behavior that leads to sociopathy/psychopathy begins during childhood and adolescence. I agree with him, but the problem is that this antisocial behavior can take many forms. For example, lying, stealing and being aggressive toward a sibling are all behaviors that many sociopaths showed during childhood. Many children engage in these behaviors and so again we may consider them “normal.”
How can we prevent sociopathy in adults?
Behavioral science has revealed a great deal about what we can do to give all children the best chance. I was at a conference this week and one of the speakers noted that the State of California bases its estimate on the future need for prison space on the reading scores of children in 3rd grade! In addition to effective parenting, at-risk children need to have quality education. Right now our practice is to take troubled children and group them together for school. Not only do they all then get a substandard education, but they get to teach each other more antisocial behavior!
As a society, we are far from doing our best for psychopathic kids. Some children will develop disordered in spite of the best parenting and professional help. YOU WILL NOT KNOW IF YOUR CHILD IS IN THAT GROUP UNTIL YOU HAVE GIVEN HIM THE BEST PARENTING AND PROFESSIONAL HELP AVAILABLE. Medication may be necessary for some children. If you have done your best as parent and your child still has problems, forgive yourself. Rest assured that his problems would be much worse if you had not done your best.
I want to end with what I believe are the 10 attributes of effective parents:
Summary of Effective Parenting
- Effective parents are warm and empathetic.
- Effective parents reward good behavior.
- Effective parents establish clear rules and enforce them through limit setting.
- Effective parents model good behavior.
- Effective parents teach impulse control, respect and values.
- Effective parents surround their children with positive influences.
- Effective parents protect their children from entering into situations they won’t be able to handle.
- Effective parents teach age appropriate life skills.
- Effective parents have fun with their children.
my child does not display dangerous tendincys but does not display love or affction. he treats me like i dont matter and is mean hateful and says hurtful things continuousley TO ME . IVE TRIED EVERYTHING TO GET HIM TO LOVE ME , AND THERE ARE BRIEF MOMENTS BUT USALLY WHEN HE WANTS SOMETHING .. HES 9 AND I THINK IF I DIED TODAY IT WOULD NOT FAZE HIM. HELP WHAT CAN I DO
jenn: You didn’t give us any information except for the obvious outcome.
Are you a single mom?
Is your child an only child?
I’ll tell you what my father did for his four child (some of us listened, others did not … )
My dad would come home around 5-5:30 each night.
My mom would have dinner within 10-15 minutes of my dad’s arrival.
Everyone would sit and have dinner together and discuss the days events (mind you, we are children at this time I’m referring to).
Since, I’m telling you the story … I’ll tell you what would transpire with my Dad and I.
If I was upset over something … my Dad and I would start the discussion at the dinner table … of course, other conversation were taking place at this time too.
If the discussion was serious, my dad would tell me that he and I would talk about my priority after dinner (so he could give me his full attention).
After dinner … dishes were done … the the other family members went and did what they wanted to do …
My dad and I would be in a room away from the other family members.
My dad would ask me what was bothering me.
I’d tell him …
We’d discuss the situation for about 1/2 hour to 45 minutes …. and my father would say “Wini, you told me this or that … and you are looking at the situation with a small viewpoint on it …
Why don’t we continue this discussion tomorrow after dinner after you though more on the issue.
We agreed.
I’d go do what I wanted to do … and of course, continued thinking about the situation … bringing more and more components into the original frustration (what was bothering me) … I’d write down facts … what bothered me about the situation, who was involved, where it happened, what time, who was there … what lead up to it, etc. etc. etc.
Next day, my Dad would come home around dinner time …
After dinner … my Dad made a point of continuing the conversation we had the previous night … asking me “Wini, what else have you seen regarding this situation”.
I’d actually bring out my list that I wrote facts on … and start listing it out for my Dad …
What my Dad was doing for me (us) was getting us to see the bigger picture of anything that upset or bothered us … he got us to leave the myopic viewpoint of the situation … and see a bigger, brighter picture … that wasn’t as awful as I thought it to be from my self centered viewpoint of being a kid … OK, I was angry at a girl friend of mine who befriended someone else and left me in the dust … I was jealous of this new friendship and hurt that my friend betrayed me.
What my Dad allowed me to figure out … was to see the bigger picture … that my friend was still my friend just with another friend added to the friendship … so all 3 of us could hang out … my friend’s decision to have another friend in her life had nothing to do with me … that it enhanced our friendship … blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
My Dad gave me attention, showed me that I mattered, showed me that he cared and loved me by giving me his time … had me see things in another light that wasn’t as horrific as I first thought it to be … got me to see other sides to any situation … allowed me to turn lemons into lemonade.
I think it comes down to quality time with your child … he/she is obviously acting out to get your attention (good or bad, doesn’t matter) your child needs your attention … and needs your guidance to guide them … show them, through love how they can see other sides to any situation … to make something positive.
This is just an example. And it did teach me to love, trust, enjoy my Dad (and mom, when she did this for us) … and it taught me not to be self absorbed and selfish …. being a child … it’s tricky what your mind can/will do … it takes guidance from the adults … to bring the positives in life out into the open.
Peace.
Dear Jenn,
As you know I have a son who is a psychopath, and one biological son who is not, and one adopted son who is not. I share your feeling of frustration with wanting your son to love you.
My P son, too, is manipulative, learning early how to seek approval and get the things he wanted. He also can pretend to “love” or be “loving” and caring, but only to get what he wants.
I suggest that you check out Dr. Leedom’s site for “Parenting the At risk child.” I also suggest that you get your son into some counseling with a professional who GETS IT about psychopathic behavior, and recognizes that there is some genetic components to it.
I am not trying to paint a bleak, hopeless picture for you, but I do know this…you (like I did) do the best that you can for your child, to love them and nurture them, but they still have choices and there is no way you can force anyone, even a child, to espouse your value system if they are unwilling or unable.
I wasn’t a “perfect” parent by any means, but my other kids didn’t turn out to be killers, so I don’t think I am “to blame” because one child did. My other two sons love and respect me, even like me, so I don’t think that my parenting style is “to blame” because my P-son wants me dead so he can have everything I own.
Jenn, you do the best you can, that’s all any parent can do, and you do your best to TEACH them, model love for them, but it is up to them to embrace that or not. God bless you, sweetie, I will keep you and your son in my prayers ((((hugs))))
Hey Henry … didn’t you pick us? (LOL).
Peace.
I don’t know Oxy, God gave us free will. Told us to stay humble and live a humble life. I believe he’s got it built into life … live humbly the way he wants us to live and follow his virtues … to learn wisdom and LIVE.
Don’t want to be humble, then go ahead (also free will) live in your ego, do it your way … but God has it built into life that he will perpetually allow you (also free will) to spin in sin, … over and over and over again … until you get on your knees and humbly pray to him … aka “UNCLE” I believe you now lord… can I come home?
How many egos (who scoff at God) are on a battle field facing a horrible fate or death end up falling on their hands and knees to pray to God?
And for us … we didn’t know we were going down a wrong path running into the likes of them … thought we were doing the right thing of loving someone … our partners, our children, our parents, our neighbors, our friends ….
Peace out.
And, I might add … be humble like God told us to be and LIVE.
Let your ego lead you into EVIL (not what God wants us to do).. aka the walking dead, without life! That’s why it is written in Proverbs stay away from them for they bring death … to any one.
You have to comprehend the meaning of death while reading scriptures.
Opposites … always the opposite.
Peace.
Wini, In following the lovefraud posts, I have noticed that so many of us here come from childhoods that were lacking in nurturing. Last night, I read your post about your Dad. In my own childhood, I experienced just the opposite. Pretty much anytime I opened my mouth about anything, my Mother told me “No one wants to hear anything YOU have to say.” I learned to be silent. I remember an entire childhood of silence–no bedtime stories, no hugs (I can’t recall a single hug or I love you EVER being said). Even meals were eaten in total silence (not just me, but the whole family being silent)
Wini, I believe if more children had childhoods like yours where they are validated and treated as if they matter, perhaps they would be stronger when it comes to resisting the allure of the psychopath (or at least get away from him/her faster once they figure out what they are dealing with), rather than make excuses for him/her and feeling like something is wrong with them instead.
I loved your post about your Father. He sounds like a great guy. I wish all kids could have parents like that. Jen2008
I agree, Jen. When we are young we learn how we deserve to be treated by our parents. Our parents cannot pass on good self-esteem to us if they never had it themselves. I think coming from a childhood with a narcissistic mother and abusive (sociopathic) stepfather, I was definitely able to process through the physical abuse as an adult. But the neglect left a big hole in my heart. My sister never bonded with any family members, including me, and this has also left a hole, as I have never been able to forge a relationship with her. I don’t even know where she is.
Looking back, I have put up with much more than what I should have from men, just trying to have some sense of family. I’m actually very proud of myself that I got out of the last relationship after only 2-1/2 months, even though it was unbearable painful. I can truly understand why so many of you stayed with your S’s for years.
I once lived with a guy for 3 years who was extremely selfish and ended our relationship in the most hurtful of ways, devastating me financially and emotionally. It never occurred to me till I found this site that he was pretty sociopathic and had no little or no empathy for others. He even TOLD me when I started dating him that he had sociopathic tendencies. I didn’t really grasp what he was saying! I cannot tell you how many nights I cried and journaled about how neglected and ignored I felt by him. And yet I stayed with him, preserving the fantasy that we would some day get married and be a family.
I still often feel alone and disconnected from any form of family. But I am reaching out to people more. I used to just isolate. I don’t really relate to 12-step groups or church groups (my philosophies lean more toward Buddhism). I have been a loner for so long that I have amost forgotten how to have support groups. I’m trying to change that. This site (and my reptile site) have helped so much with that. Thanks to everyone here for being here and for being the compassionate people you are.
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Thanks, IndigoB. Right back atcha.