Sociopaths love credit cards—especially when they are in someone else’s name. Lovefraud recently received an e-mail from a woman whose daughter is married to a sociopath. “How do they do it?” she asked. “How do they get you to put credit cards in your name that they will use?”
Our daughter has now procured a card, ugh, (only found out since the billing came here) and I know this is for HIS use and he will be the one using it, burying her in debt that she will never get out of and do you think for a minute HE will pay this debt?? Ha! He does NOT have credit cards (I often wonder why)? Refuses to get one, why? But it’s okay to use hers??
I can relate to this experience, because it happened to me. One of the hallmarks of this disorder is lack of responsibility. Sociopaths do not believe in paying bills, particularly bills that they’ve convinced someone else to incur.
There was a time when my ex-husband, James Montgomery, had his own American Express card, but Amex cancelled the card and sued him for not paying his bills at least three years before I met him. After that, Montgomery learned it was much better to sweet talk women into providing him with access to their credit than to try to get his own card. So, based on what Montgomery did to me and several other women, here are observations I can make:
1. Sociopaths specifically go after people with money and/or credit. The first step, of course, is to pick the right target. If sociopaths are looking for a sugar daddy or sugar momma, they first need to make sure sugar is available.
Now, this doesn’t mean the target must have millions in accessible cash, although I do know of one case in which that was a requirement. A sociopath will target someone who has:
- a job
- access to credit
- a home, which can be tapped for a home equity loan
- retirement savings
- family members with money
My ex-husband actually ran credit reports on women he met. If sociopaths have access to credit reports, they won’t be deterred by the mere fact that pulling a credit report without the subject’s permission is illegal.
2. Sociopaths initially create an impression of substance, success and financial responsibility. When I first met my ex, he did not tell me that he was flat broke. He talked about his business successes of the past—apparently with at least some truth—and his big plans for the future.
He exuded absolute confidence in his ability to make his dreams come true, and I believed him. I thought I was becoming involved with a “mover and shaker,” a captain of industry, a master of the universe. I didn’t know he was a con artist.
3. Sociopaths quickly create bonds of trust with the target. That’s where the word “con” comes from—the sociopaths are running a con game, or confidence game, establishing confidence in the target. This can be done several ways, depending on the nature of the relationship.
Sweetheart scams are probably the easiest. The sociopath love bombs the target, with flowery language, gifts and constant attention. When the target falls for it, he or she feels both love and trust—how could you not trust someone that you love? If the two people are intimate, chemical changes in the brain make the trust bond grow even stronger. (See last week’s article, Getting over that amazing ‘chemistry.’)
Sometimes sociopaths borrow trust through association. For example, they may join a religious community, and present themselves as a solid member of the group, or even a spiritual leader. Thousands of wannabes fraudulently claim to be military heroes, and trade off the high esteem with which most people hold those who serve in the military. My ex-husband claimed that he served 35 years in the military, which made him seem honorable. He never served a day.
4. Sociopaths promise to pay, and sometimes they actually do pay, at least in the beginning. My ex-husband invited me to go with him to Australia, and then asked me to put the charges on my credit card, assuring me that he’d pay off the charges as soon as the bills came in. Some con artists pay off initial small loans, or small credit card charges, to make the targets believe they are trustworthy.
Sociopaths do not hint that they won’t pay the expenses that they convince the target to incur. They continue making promises to pay as long as targets still have money or credit available to bleed.
If sociopaths perceive that there is nothing left to take, at that point they may quit the charade and say, “F*** you, the debts are in your name, you deal with them.” Of course, by that point, the sociopaths already have their next targets lined up.
5. Sociopaths create a crisis, and need action right away. They will claim that they must answer immediately, they have to act now or the opportunity will be lost, they’re up against a deadline. Sociopaths do not want their targets to have a chance to think about whether the request makes any sense.
6. Sociopaths use the targets’ own good natures against them. If targets are generous, sociopaths will use the pity play to prey on their generosity. If targets are responsible, the sociopaths will get them to clean up the messes that they create. If targets are skilled in business, the sociopaths will enlist them to join the entrepreneurial dream, be members of the team, until they are carrying the full financial burden.
Whatever qualities and vulnerabilities target have, the sociopaths find ways to exploit them.
7. Sociopaths badger the targets into giving them what they want. My ex-husband did not come out and ask me to give him a credit card until long after we were married. Even then, I resisted for months.
But he wore me down. He said he was an entrepreneur, entrepreneurs always have terrible credit, and if I helped him, I would be helping our success. He pointed out that he needed a credit card when he travelled—conveniently neglecting to mention that his trips included seeing other women.
He explained. He nudged. He pleaded. Eventually, I just caved and made him an authorized user on one of my credit cards. When the card arrived in the mail, Montgomery acted like he received a windfall of cash. It was maxed out within a few months.
8. Sociopaths dig the targets into such deep holes that the only possible escape is through the sociopaths. Before long, my once-pristine credit was shot. I was carrying more debt than I ever had in my life. My only hope was that Montgomery would succeed with his plans, as he continued to assure me he would.
So every time Montgomery told me that he “needed” something, or “had to” travel somewhere, I approved the charges, hoping desperately that it would be the final step that would start to turn everything around. But that never happened.
9. Sociopaths know the rules. One day, as I was ranting about the oppressive credit card balances, I yelled that my husband had occurred the debts, and he had to pay them. Montgomery shockingly informed me that, since we were married, his debts were my debts. He was right.
Montgomery was also well aware of the fact that since all the credit cards were in my name, and I gave him permission to use them, I was responsible for his charges. Even when the judge in my divorce determined that my ex-husband had defrauded me, and Montgomery was responsible for the debts, the credit card companies didn’t care. They came after me.
My ex spath boy friend was on my cell phone plan because supposedly he hadn’t established his credit in our state as he was from another state.
He had a pay as you go plan, but one day I dropped my phone and lost the battery under my refrigerator. He came over at his offer to retrieve my battery. In passing he mentioned that he had a XXX brand phone like mine and I could use it if I wanted until I got a new battery. It turned out that his previous girlfriend had him on her cell phone plan.
I suggested that he go on my plan. All I had to do was add another line. No big deal. The problem was with our combined minutes we had to get more minutes so it cost me twice as much as what I was paying before. Of course he never paid me for any of it. I am one of those generous people who just assume someone is going to at least offer to pay their share.
He also stuck me for some expensive concert tickets that I had obtained for 4 people. We broke up, and then got back together. I gave a couple of the tickets to his friends girlfriend to take her new boyfriend to. I kept my own ticket. You think I ever got paid for any of those? NOOOOOOOOO
The thing that I couldn’t understand was the fact that he wasn’t the least bit embarrassed to let me pay for things. He did buy me some gifts at Christmas a year ago, but that is it.
I can certainly understand why they would want our credit cards. Since we were not married I had control of the cell phone that was in my name.
There was one remark he made to me over the phone once though. I have an autistic daughter who lives in a group home but comes home often on weekends. She is an adult. He told me that he knew I would never do this because I would never leave my daughter, but wouldn’t it be fun to sell my house and buy an RV, travel across the country. He did mention that he would work a little here and there. I was just looking at it like a fantasy like yes lets go to Hawaii or the Bahamas….so I laughed it off. I did tell him though that how did I know he would’t drop me off somewhere in the middle of nowhere and leave me.
Of course he reminded me that I wouldn’t do it because I would never leave me daughter. He was right about that.
True-to-Self
This is a good article Donna. In my case all the spath needed was an actual street address (mine) and soon he was bombarded with credit card applications via the mail. And him having the same address as mine and because of my trusting nature he soon had credit cards in his name, little did I know I was the co-signer on the credit card, try explaining this to a credit card company when they come after me for his debt’s. He combed through all my information, ssc # etc. There is no telling what await’s me in the future. I was poor with good credit when he met me – now I am just poor.
Very good article, this happened to me as well, at first I didn’t get what his intent was (among many other things), Jimmy went bankrupt a few years before I met him, should of questioned that then but never did…a quick relationship with marriage within 5 months, didn’t see it coming not even when we got married he didn’t put a cent into the financial part of the wedding- it was at my moms expense, his moms expense and my m/c expense…but not one cent did he pay. He was not working at the time (no surprise).
Shortly after, my m/c was maxed out due to his wanting things and promised to pay back but never did fully. Then he convinced me to get a VISA, for the longest time I said ‘no’ but just like the article above, he wore me down, within a few months it also was maxed out- and then he denied he owed anything- (conning/stealing – when I was unable to work due to a back injury he DEMANDED me to give him the credit card, I had no income, he did pay some but he took money out from it-he had the code) ..then statement never showed up, which was his doing, and when I called to get copy, seen withdrawals and he denied it (he went in a rage). that ‘it was in my name’ and ‘I couldn’t prove he caused my debts to sore’, so I had to get loan ($20,000 which turned out to be more than $32,000 but around $4000.00 was my own dept from credit card before I met him).
He kept on denying it and then gave me ~$200/month (but of course was short lived) from the $5,500 + he got from working (when he actually worked which wasn’t much). This was to keep that control and hidden agenda. He wanted to stick around because he was going after my moms house (he thought I would get my moms house after she dies-but she is alive and well and I am hoping she will live a long time) as he made very clear he was after this home during our entire marriage…it is hideous to even think that he is so monstrous to marry me for what I might potentially have and to try and destroy me.
BUT I am so thankful that I am no longer in this abusive marriage from his predation, I am not yet divorced as I have extreme financial difficulty right now but am looking forward to the near future that I will no longer be legally be married to this psychopath. It has been a long road of healing, I have accepted that I have been preyed upon by an abusive psychopath, the emotional trauma and all different kinds of abuse have taken its toll but I did survive it, I also accept that I will never see the money that he conned me out of but oh well, nothing can be done about it, just have to keep on!!!!
Donna,
This is a very interesting and rather timely article.
My exPOS didn’t have anything to take from me. He knew that, however, the love bomb I caught him lying to me about, was a credit consultant and made a lot of money. Hmmmm…..when he told me he could never do a “fat chick” (newest love bomb was overweight), it was my big enlightenment moment…….I felt sorry for her. He could have cared less what the woman looked like, his needs had changed.
He was in debt. It also didn’t matter that she was in love with someone else. He wanted to nail her……….
Hmmmm………..must have been because he was and is so heavily in debt that it doesn’t matter what his “physical” preferences were in a woman…he didn’t need a trophy wife, he didn’t need a sexy hot mama, he needed one with money.
I’m sure new gf has something to offer in the way of money.
The man has blown all his credit cards. Last I heard, he was looking to buy a new bedroom set and his daughter a new car.
Won’t come from him.
But from the next victim that he has now.
I wish there was some way to warn her. She’s about to lose her shirt.
Yep, they love credit cards. Especially when they’re in debt….and even more so when it belongs to someone else 🙂
LL
Donna,
awesome article. I wish there was someway I could forward this to my spath sister who is married to the trojan horse. She would see herself lclearly mirrored in your words. She had pristine credit, $100,000 saved and no debt. The cop she married had no credit, unpaid debt and owned one pair of pants. Can we say meth addict/rapist/pig? Yes we can. He took her credit, went to lawschool (for nothing) and moved on to work for homeland security (isn’t THAT special?) but they are further in debt than ever.
But I really don’t want a woman who believes evil is “ok, because everyone is doing it” on this website. Not even my own sister, whose life is in danger because he has life insurance (1 million) on her. she is a horrible lying spath but also a victim and my sister. It hurts.
Thanks for letting me barf all over here.
If I may continue….
my spath borrowed $5000 from me with a pity ploy, “I need to fly, I need my own aircraft, it is my dream, if I can’t have it, I will slowly die, yada yada puke”
When he wouldn’t pay it back I left him. I was 20 years old. He located me and begged me for a reason why I left him. I told him, “because you don’t pay what you owe” He said, ‘you mean, if I pay you back you will come back to me?” I said, “yes”. Before 24 hours was up, this poverty stricken man who couldn’t pay his rent, had 5 grand at my door. Did 20-year old stupid girl wonder wtf? NO. 20-year old stupid girl was “grateful” (I wish I could do the right voice for that word in type. try high pitched, sarcastic) Anyway, He knew that I had 95,000 more to scam so he paid back the 5 grand and proceeded to slowly drain me of the rest as well as leaving me in credit card debt hell. NEVER REVEAL WHAT YOU ARE WORTH TO ANYONE.
I wrote a post and then lost it in the process of editing. In case it actually gets posted and doesn’t make sense I am writing another version.
First let me say to Donna, I read your story by clicking on the name of your ex and was absolutely blown away by what you went through.
Thank you so much for using your experience to help us.
This comment is regarding my ex husband. Even though I thought I had a breakthrough yesterday coming to the conclusion he was a Sociopath, I am not so sure now. I know he was a liar and had no empathy, but for now I think he was a Narcissist. The jury is still out. May I ask a question that is off the subject but important to me. If my H was a spath it means he never loved me but it was not particularly personal. What he seems to have done instead was grow to HATE ME. I mean REALLY REALLY HATE ME. Do spaths have the ability to hate? I know they don’t love, and even if they kill us or ruin our lives to them it is nothing personal. Do I have that right?
My husbands specialty was gaslighting. Because I was the responsible “adult” in the family. I know that now, not so sure I acted or knew it early in the marriage, he was able to blame me for the credit card debt. When we first got a computer and he discovered EBAY I had him write a check for his purchases for the month which totaled about 250.00. I told him that the one credit card could be used for this kind of purchase but the entire balance had to be paid off in full.
That lasted about a month. After that he did one of two things, he knew I would continue to write the checks and he could continue to ignore how much he was spending, or he would slip off to the post office and pay for his purchases by postal money order.
I have mentioned on others posts that he was a hoarder. He was also a compulsive spender. He would have hobbies in which he was paying on layaway all over town in which he would do what he called “make his rounds” on Saturdays. He thought it was all right because he paid cash. He would ask me to buy him things for his birthday or other holiday using my credit card. This would be something expensive from Sears Tool Department. Even though the payments were coming from his income, he figured if I was the one to sign the credit card he could put it out of his mind and I would still be blamed for our rising credit card debt. After all he paid cash for everything.
I would always fall short in paying the bills so would have to charge things like utilities and sometimes even groceries but the credit cards were my fault. He had me believing it. Why? Because he would be angry with me if I told him. I didn’t discuss the credit card debt with him in the early years of our marriage. I blamed myself.
During the divorce we were ordered to each pay half of the pre-separation debt. He was giving two cards and I was given one big one. I paid off mine with money from my parents as it was mostly used for my lawyer. I got a letter from the credit card company saying that I had paid x amount of money and there was a 0.00 balance. My ex is still paying for his monthly with minimum payments.
I have used mine for emergencies like plumbing problems and broken appliances. Those were costly enough that I ran up a balance. Even though I made the payments on time with more than the minimum amoount my interest is still 25 percent. It started out as about 34 percent. I finally called them and asked them if they could lower my interest rate. They would not.
The credit bureau shows that I am responsible for his debt. Surprise! I thought I had my name removed. The only thing that did was make it so I couldn’t use the cards. I am still responsible for that debt. He doesn’t know that. I am not going to tell him because the only way to get my name off of the cards is for him to request that to happen. As long as he is making the payments there is nothing I can do. I will just have to pay off my card and try not to run up a balance again.
TTS
This is why its called “sexually transmitted debt”.
I also got conned, but by my spath D. she pulled the “poor me, “sob stories, croc tears,everyone is to blame but me’ ploy. I bale d her out for almost 30 years. No longer, Im immune to her now, THANK GOD!I must have given her well over $10,000 over the last 5 or six years, not to speak of the phone bills,i paid,back rent I paid, store cards I bought her so she could buy food, the home delivery meals service that I organised for her fortnightly–,bedding, lamps, fans, heaters, clothes for her and the kids.I didnt begrudge it,-well not much, but it was all accepted as her due.I had the cash, she needed it, I was sucker bait, what was the problem?They feel so ENTITLED to the best of everything, dont they? But dont always feel the need to actually work for it!
I once met her, paid off one of her credit cards, we cut it up together. I went home feeling so pleased I could help her. next week, I got a telegram for her,{I was still getting her mail, as shed been living with us for around six months} It was a message from her bank to come pick up her new credit card, which shed ordered the same day we cut up her old one!!
Nothing should surprise us about these people they are expert con artists!
Love, mama Gem.XX
STD – Sexually Transmitted Debt
LOL That is a good one! 🙂
Wow! What an eye-opener. Ex wasn’t overtly an irresponsible person (except that he never took responsibility for his actions). But when I look at that list, I can definitely see that pattern with money. He never “scammed” me (because I wasn’t working yet when he met me, so there was nothing to scam!) but he did scam his mother of a huge sum and felt justified because he thought her money was rightly his.
Fast forward 20 years, and now he is being such a moron with property settlement. Creating drama, insisting on an immediate response, badgering, digging a hole that only they can get you out of, knowing the rules, not paying but not telling you upfront, etc.
In spite of having a great attorney and achieving a good result, I am still in huge trouble because of his sneakiness. You can’t win with them. I thought it was over once we signed, but now it is clear it’s not. It may take a while and a willingness to just cut the loss and not even bother about it, to be free. I must admit that my DV social worker warned me before I left him that abusers are going to screw the victims where money is concerned. I found it hard to believe because he presented as such a morally upright person and a good provider for the kids. He even said to me yesterday, “I will always provide for the kids, you know I am a generous person” All this while hardly paying the right amount.
Point #2 – creating an impression of substance. That’s what he has done all his life. We were never rich, but people were convinced we were. In fact the kids wondered why we never bought them anything and they always had to do without. Yet we had mansions and travelled a lot. I never really understood it until his brother said to me that he learnt something from their dad – how to give the impression of being rich even if you aren’t. That’s where he got it from! And that’s why he is so livid/devastated now, because I have destroyed his empire by taking half of it.
Now I don’t have a credit card though (never applied for one before, so don’t even know how to do it!), that means I am safe from a spath!
Oh Yes! Yet another example of extortion. The mother of my daughter while she was getting the free ‘help’ from the Justice for Children organization to get our daughtrer back from me after she got herself another husband and was structured better (in society’s eyes to accomodate our daughter) was out committing credit card fraud to the tune of three major felonies and a ten year probation order to pay back $30,000.
Of course Justice for Children has its own problems as it reject the credibility of Parental Alienation and is sexist in its intrusions into the family court rooms. and of course she falsely accused me, something which Justice for Children jumps onto, like the ‘witch hunters’ they are.
I woujld say this credit card matter is a key ingredient to look for to identify sociopaths, along with criminal charges.