Sociopaths love credit cards—especially when they are in someone else’s name. Lovefraud recently received an e-mail from a woman whose daughter is married to a sociopath. “How do they do it?” she asked. “How do they get you to put credit cards in your name that they will use?”
Our daughter has now procured a card, ugh, (only found out since the billing came here) and I know this is for HIS use and he will be the one using it, burying her in debt that she will never get out of and do you think for a minute HE will pay this debt?? Ha! He does NOT have credit cards (I often wonder why)? Refuses to get one, why? But it’s okay to use hers??
I can relate to this experience, because it happened to me. One of the hallmarks of this disorder is lack of responsibility. Sociopaths do not believe in paying bills, particularly bills that they’ve convinced someone else to incur.
There was a time when my ex-husband, James Montgomery, had his own American Express card, but Amex cancelled the card and sued him for not paying his bills at least three years before I met him. After that, Montgomery learned it was much better to sweet talk women into providing him with access to their credit than to try to get his own card. So, based on what Montgomery did to me and several other women, here are observations I can make:
1. Sociopaths specifically go after people with money and/or credit. The first step, of course, is to pick the right target. If sociopaths are looking for a sugar daddy or sugar momma, they first need to make sure sugar is available.
Now, this doesn’t mean the target must have millions in accessible cash, although I do know of one case in which that was a requirement. A sociopath will target someone who has:
- a job
- access to credit
- a home, which can be tapped for a home equity loan
- retirement savings
- family members with money
My ex-husband actually ran credit reports on women he met. If sociopaths have access to credit reports, they won’t be deterred by the mere fact that pulling a credit report without the subject’s permission is illegal.
2. Sociopaths initially create an impression of substance, success and financial responsibility. When I first met my ex, he did not tell me that he was flat broke. He talked about his business successes of the past—apparently with at least some truth—and his big plans for the future.
He exuded absolute confidence in his ability to make his dreams come true, and I believed him. I thought I was becoming involved with a “mover and shaker,” a captain of industry, a master of the universe. I didn’t know he was a con artist.
3. Sociopaths quickly create bonds of trust with the target. That’s where the word “con” comes from—the sociopaths are running a con game, or confidence game, establishing confidence in the target. This can be done several ways, depending on the nature of the relationship.
Sweetheart scams are probably the easiest. The sociopath love bombs the target, with flowery language, gifts and constant attention. When the target falls for it, he or she feels both love and trust—how could you not trust someone that you love? If the two people are intimate, chemical changes in the brain make the trust bond grow even stronger. (See last week’s article, Getting over that amazing ‘chemistry.’)
Sometimes sociopaths borrow trust through association. For example, they may join a religious community, and present themselves as a solid member of the group, or even a spiritual leader. Thousands of wannabes fraudulently claim to be military heroes, and trade off the high esteem with which most people hold those who serve in the military. My ex-husband claimed that he served 35 years in the military, which made him seem honorable. He never served a day.
4. Sociopaths promise to pay, and sometimes they actually do pay, at least in the beginning. My ex-husband invited me to go with him to Australia, and then asked me to put the charges on my credit card, assuring me that he’d pay off the charges as soon as the bills came in. Some con artists pay off initial small loans, or small credit card charges, to make the targets believe they are trustworthy.
Sociopaths do not hint that they won’t pay the expenses that they convince the target to incur. They continue making promises to pay as long as targets still have money or credit available to bleed.
If sociopaths perceive that there is nothing left to take, at that point they may quit the charade and say, “F*** you, the debts are in your name, you deal with them.” Of course, by that point, the sociopaths already have their next targets lined up.
5. Sociopaths create a crisis, and need action right away. They will claim that they must answer immediately, they have to act now or the opportunity will be lost, they’re up against a deadline. Sociopaths do not want their targets to have a chance to think about whether the request makes any sense.
6. Sociopaths use the targets’ own good natures against them. If targets are generous, sociopaths will use the pity play to prey on their generosity. If targets are responsible, the sociopaths will get them to clean up the messes that they create. If targets are skilled in business, the sociopaths will enlist them to join the entrepreneurial dream, be members of the team, until they are carrying the full financial burden.
Whatever qualities and vulnerabilities target have, the sociopaths find ways to exploit them.
7. Sociopaths badger the targets into giving them what they want. My ex-husband did not come out and ask me to give him a credit card until long after we were married. Even then, I resisted for months.
But he wore me down. He said he was an entrepreneur, entrepreneurs always have terrible credit, and if I helped him, I would be helping our success. He pointed out that he needed a credit card when he travelled—conveniently neglecting to mention that his trips included seeing other women.
He explained. He nudged. He pleaded. Eventually, I just caved and made him an authorized user on one of my credit cards. When the card arrived in the mail, Montgomery acted like he received a windfall of cash. It was maxed out within a few months.
8. Sociopaths dig the targets into such deep holes that the only possible escape is through the sociopaths. Before long, my once-pristine credit was shot. I was carrying more debt than I ever had in my life. My only hope was that Montgomery would succeed with his plans, as he continued to assure me he would.
So every time Montgomery told me that he “needed” something, or “had to” travel somewhere, I approved the charges, hoping desperately that it would be the final step that would start to turn everything around. But that never happened.
9. Sociopaths know the rules. One day, as I was ranting about the oppressive credit card balances, I yelled that my husband had occurred the debts, and he had to pay them. Montgomery shockingly informed me that, since we were married, his debts were my debts. He was right.
Montgomery was also well aware of the fact that since all the credit cards were in my name, and I gave him permission to use them, I was responsible for his charges. Even when the judge in my divorce determined that my ex-husband had defrauded me, and Montgomery was responsible for the debts, the credit card companies didn’t care. They came after me.
jeannie, you are a brave woman. Unfortunately, there are a lot of such bosses around. Ex used to work for a few and being the victim he was, continually bitched about it. Spaths working for spaths = watch out!. No wonder there was also so much tension, drama and conflict wherever he worked. I heard they had a party after he left one place. Yet he always made out to me he was the victim.
I am still getting my head around the deceit bit, esp because he put on such an honest front and warned me about con men. If there was one group of people he despised, it was “con men”. The other was feminists. He hated charmers, fast talkers, smooth crawlers, “dodgy” salespeople, etc. So that’s why whenever I read the traits of psychopathology that included words like lying, charming, con artists, I dismissed them. But most people agree he is highly manipulative. He disagrees and after I once pointed out that I didn’t want to respond because of his manipulation, he now ends all his texts with “I am not trying to be manipulative.” Is that weird?
pooh, welcome to LF, sounds like you’ve been here for a while! I’m so glad you posted, it’s nice to meet you… no, you’re not crazy, it sure is tough when that light bulb goes off in you head and you have no other choice but to accept what is reality. I hope you will continue posting, it helps! Lots of good, supportive peeps here.
God Bless.
geminigirl: “sexually transmitted debt”.
OMG girl, made me nearly fall out of my chair!! LOL that is GREAT! I had used the term “Mentally, emotionally, physically and FINANCIALLY Raped” but I like the humor in STD. 🙂
dahlrich:
Stay strong, NO CONTACT is the ONLY way to get AWAY! You don’t owe him ANYTHING!
Donna:
Thank you! WOW, sounds like we may have married the same man (not really, just the same playbook.)
the VERY abridged version:
I had a nearly 800 Credit score (& 2 mid range cc’s -one that I paid off monthly & one I had a 50% bal with 0 intr. paying for some computer and camera equipmt). He love-conned me into marriage (taking over the bills and accounts 3 months before the wedding). By the end (3 years later)… I had a 3 month old baby, no job, and…
I was over $600,000 in debt (including the house with my parents name on it as co-signers… supposed to have only been for a couple of months) I dropped to a NO Score Credit score with I can’t even remember how many CC’s that I never knew I had. He got them online as me! NO ONE CARES (not the police, CC Companies, Etc… BC I was married to him.) He had figured out how to run the full balance up (after upping my limits without my permission) then making a full payment and going to the ATM and clearing out the full balance of the account before the check bounced causing the card balance to be DOUBLE the limit!
I filed bankruptcy (in the middle of the divorce and don’t let ANYONE tell you that you can’t do that… YES YOU CAN)
My debt is cleared.
My dad is out over $150,000
My Aunt is out over $7500 (a whole other con)
My credit score is back in the low/mid 600’s and climbing
I have a beautiful new small home, nice little car, my child is safe and happy (having minimal to no contact over the last year w/ the Spath)
I just don’t even bother to respond to his emails and unless he asks about our child, I DON”T HAVE TO! He pretends to want to come and see our son, but never follows through and NEVER asks how he is doing. He is out on Bail Bond in 2 states, with a warrant for his arrest in my state for not showing up for his trial date the last 2 times (because he can’t leave his state due to the restrictions on his bail bond) LOL> I don’t plan to see him ever again! He hates that he has no control over me. (This is the best place I have been in the past 4 years!) For those of you in the middle of it… GET OUT. Cut your losses and get away!!! File charges if you can get someone to let you and just flat out move on has hard and fast as you can! There is light at the end of the tunnel even though you feel you may drown in the process. Hold your breath and keep going.
God Bless
Healthy & Happy
Issie
colvin, I hope you’ve kicked him out for good.
Sounds like you’re on the right path.
Having no contact with him at all would be perfect,
but, don’t know about that because you have kids together.
Stay strong!!!
I hope some one can help me, I have a family member that I care very much about, she is married to con artist, but does not believe
any one other than him, he is a lot older and constantly travels out side this country.he tells her all these story’s, but basically he just uses her.
There is enough evidence about him on the internet, but she has been told by him that it is all political, and she believes that garbage, he was convicted of fraud and looked up in another country and later deported back to this country as an undesirable immigrant and never to be aloud back into that pacific country.
I do not want to loose my family member, so I am not saying anything and just hope that she will wake up sooner than later.
He makes sure she has no time to think, as there are children and she is a great mum, and also she is working.
I hope some one can give me some advice, as she is worthy of some one better than that, I had lost her for 9 years when this man first come into her live, I have chosen to tolerate him,for the sake of her and the children, All I hope that she will wake up.
I have been a victim of a scammer myself and see the and hear the rubbish he is telling her.
That is ringing alarm bells, I am pleased that I have Donna’s book, that will help hopefully when she wakes up to him one day.
the likes of him are all smooth, manipulating sociopath that control other, I just wish that she was not so gullible.
True-to-Self
Wow.. I see every sign of a Spath in my Ex and I still find myself questioning if he is a Spath or a Naurcisist. Donna’s article on Chemistry and this CC hits home. My ex took it all and always had a way of making me feel guilty, say F*** you when I pushed too much, Nagged me and wore me out. People in my life wonder how I let him take away so much. I am left with nothing as he has wiped me out of everything including retirement and no funds left for kids education. he is out there living a high end life style. Has CC charged off but still somehow living life and have been dating a woman/ 15 years younger to him and I am sure he is showing her the best time of her life. I feel sorry for the girl who has no clue what is coming next for her. I am hoping she is smarter and tougher and takes him for a ride (I can always hope can’t I)..
About your Hate comment. yes my Ex wants nothing to do with me. Blames me for in his words F’ing up his life (I filed a DV charge and filed for a divorce). I went against his wishes and didn’t let him do what he wanted so now I was a B**** and he will not talk to me about anything including kids.
Spaths are very vendictive and i know my Ex was and it took me forever to file for a divorce knowing how crazy it will get and believe me it has been crazy. I am in the courts still 4 years later. He is lying and keeping little money he makes under his brother’s girl friend and parents name so he can collect spousal support, and as mentioned on this site, LEGAL SYSTEM FAILES YOU WHEN DEALING WITH SOCIOPATHS. YOU CAN’T PROVE THEIR CON GAMES TO THE COURTS OR it costs you too much to even get the proof for the court.
onestep/joy
YES. BISEXUAL = BAD WHEN YOU LIE ABOUT IT.
I am so open minded that my brains fell out. I would accept anything he wanted, but not the lies.
My friend Todd is bi and I think he’s great. He lied about it to his wife for 25 years too, but he was NOT outed. he came clean, because he realized it was killing him. He’s a GREAT GREAT PERSON. AFIAK, he is the most humble and wonderful type of person you will ever meet. He cares about the human race. and he wants to make a difference and make it better and he is bi. But the spath was a spath and enjoyed being anything he wanted to be, just as long as he wa cheating.
easp, hi, your name seems familiar to me. I am so sorry to read your family member is fooled by this man, but, maybe she doesn’t want to see what’s happening. We have talked about this before here and have written that some of us, even if somebody told us what was going on, would not have believed it. Things got so bad for me that I could no longer be in denial, when I accepted what was really happening I felt like I hit a brick wall at 90 mph. I ignored red flags from people my entire life. Did not want to look at what I was really doing, which for me was being a person with no boundaries and someone who waited for people to change and to realize how much they loved me. I’m glad you have Donna’s book, i wish there was some way you could guide her to this website, probably make her mad. I think you are doing the best you can for her, just being there, being part of her support system until she wakes up, she’s in a fog.
sky,
so, liar = bad.
and the open minded remark made me laugh. 🙂
i know the things that you have written about in regards to sex and sexual wounding with the spath. he was a turd: manipulative, exploitative, duplicitous. but he was not that way because he was bisexual, but because he was a spath.
think about this line: ’drug dealer child molesting bisexual’
now this one: ’drug dealer child molester who banged anyone he could’ or, ’drug dealing child molester on the down-low’ as possibly more accurate.
You know my intention, right? people will come here who identify who are bi will be scared off, people who are hiding this from the folks on lf will know it’s not safe to reveal something that is innate to them, it will hinder their healing. not like not revealing non normative orientation isn’t hard enough as it is. It’s often hard and scarey. You know that from your friend’s experience. Why would someone wait most of their life if is was easy?
if someone thinks that being bi in and of itself is morally wrong, that’s one thing, and not what I am writing about to you. If we equate a certain innate trait with being ‘a drug dealing child molester’ we damn the trait, with little understanding of the impact our actions on others. it’s the same as damning all men, or all women, all gays, all st8ts or…all people who have been spathed. We have to protect one another, not make it harder.
Some of them must be bi – but at the same time, i can’t get over thinking that whoever they can con is fair game, given that control and winning are their top motivators, not connection. People bother to come out as gay or bi because they want connection where they feel they will most have it. Spaths aren’t looking for connection, and they don’t care who they hurt. I’d say people in sexual minorities are much easier to exploit – we have to be careful, there are lots of bigots who would harm us in one way or another. (think about what its like to know a spath has a sex tape of you – that’s kind of how gay/bi folk feel all the time – something hanging over our heads to be used against us at any time by a bad, or just ignorant, or thoughtless person). I have often thought about this when women on lf talk about their male spaths being on the downlow – so many scared people ripe to be spathed.
Some people use their sexuality responsibly, some don’t, orientation is not the predictor. And then there are people and times in people’s lives when they are confused or sorting things through, and they hurt people inadvertently. Then there are spaths – and they are more complicated for us to figure out, and are ALWAYS about the damage they can do- either pointedly, or collaterally.
Some of us here subscribe to the spaths being exploitative of anyone and sex just being a tool in their, um, bag. Some of us think our spaths are gay or bi, and exploitative. Who knows where the con lays (no pun intended); is it the wife of the spath who is being lied to about orientation, or the guys he extracts favors from on the side? Or both?
My spath’s orientation doesn’t matter to me (and we know what she does with gender! and that doesn’t matter to me either) – that she is breathing is what bothers me.
One-step, can I ask a question? Let’s just keep it theoretical. What do you think of a man, in his late 20’s, with a difficult childhood, who, at one point engaged in male prostitution and exotic dance in a gay club atmosphere, who is dealing with various addictions and trying to recover, who doesn’t have a clue if he’s gay. Really, really doesn’t know.
So confused about it that he asked a died in the wool hetero, “HOW do you know you’re hetero?”
I might add that he has no problem boffing women, and likes to keep 3 or 4 on hand at any given time.
So, by his behavior, he’s hetero…but by his confusion, wouldn’t we/he surmise that he is at least bi…..or is this an example of the “anything that moves spath mentality” we are speaking of above? If not, what exactly is the confusion. I just don’t get it?
I hope this is in no way offensive to anyone.
I really admired your post above, and so relate to it in many ways. I, sometimes want to say the same thing when people make blanket statements about addicts, or people who have made bad mistakes in life….that they are automatically bad, spathy people….not to compare that to an innate thing like sexual preferance, but still worth a word in their defense. :/