Sociopaths love credit cards—especially when they are in someone else’s name. Lovefraud recently received an e-mail from a woman whose daughter is married to a sociopath. “How do they do it?” she asked. “How do they get you to put credit cards in your name that they will use?”
Our daughter has now procured a card, ugh, (only found out since the billing came here) and I know this is for HIS use and he will be the one using it, burying her in debt that she will never get out of and do you think for a minute HE will pay this debt?? Ha! He does NOT have credit cards (I often wonder why)? Refuses to get one, why? But it’s okay to use hers??
I can relate to this experience, because it happened to me. One of the hallmarks of this disorder is lack of responsibility. Sociopaths do not believe in paying bills, particularly bills that they’ve convinced someone else to incur.
There was a time when my ex-husband, James Montgomery, had his own American Express card, but Amex cancelled the card and sued him for not paying his bills at least three years before I met him. After that, Montgomery learned it was much better to sweet talk women into providing him with access to their credit than to try to get his own card. So, based on what Montgomery did to me and several other women, here are observations I can make:
1. Sociopaths specifically go after people with money and/or credit. The first step, of course, is to pick the right target. If sociopaths are looking for a sugar daddy or sugar momma, they first need to make sure sugar is available.
Now, this doesn’t mean the target must have millions in accessible cash, although I do know of one case in which that was a requirement. A sociopath will target someone who has:
- a job
- access to credit
- a home, which can be tapped for a home equity loan
- retirement savings
- family members with money
My ex-husband actually ran credit reports on women he met. If sociopaths have access to credit reports, they won’t be deterred by the mere fact that pulling a credit report without the subject’s permission is illegal.
2. Sociopaths initially create an impression of substance, success and financial responsibility. When I first met my ex, he did not tell me that he was flat broke. He talked about his business successes of the past—apparently with at least some truth—and his big plans for the future.
He exuded absolute confidence in his ability to make his dreams come true, and I believed him. I thought I was becoming involved with a “mover and shaker,” a captain of industry, a master of the universe. I didn’t know he was a con artist.
3. Sociopaths quickly create bonds of trust with the target. That’s where the word “con” comes from—the sociopaths are running a con game, or confidence game, establishing confidence in the target. This can be done several ways, depending on the nature of the relationship.
Sweetheart scams are probably the easiest. The sociopath love bombs the target, with flowery language, gifts and constant attention. When the target falls for it, he or she feels both love and trust—how could you not trust someone that you love? If the two people are intimate, chemical changes in the brain make the trust bond grow even stronger. (See last week’s article, Getting over that amazing ‘chemistry.’)
Sometimes sociopaths borrow trust through association. For example, they may join a religious community, and present themselves as a solid member of the group, or even a spiritual leader. Thousands of wannabes fraudulently claim to be military heroes, and trade off the high esteem with which most people hold those who serve in the military. My ex-husband claimed that he served 35 years in the military, which made him seem honorable. He never served a day.
4. Sociopaths promise to pay, and sometimes they actually do pay, at least in the beginning. My ex-husband invited me to go with him to Australia, and then asked me to put the charges on my credit card, assuring me that he’d pay off the charges as soon as the bills came in. Some con artists pay off initial small loans, or small credit card charges, to make the targets believe they are trustworthy.
Sociopaths do not hint that they won’t pay the expenses that they convince the target to incur. They continue making promises to pay as long as targets still have money or credit available to bleed.
If sociopaths perceive that there is nothing left to take, at that point they may quit the charade and say, “F*** you, the debts are in your name, you deal with them.” Of course, by that point, the sociopaths already have their next targets lined up.
5. Sociopaths create a crisis, and need action right away. They will claim that they must answer immediately, they have to act now or the opportunity will be lost, they’re up against a deadline. Sociopaths do not want their targets to have a chance to think about whether the request makes any sense.
6. Sociopaths use the targets’ own good natures against them. If targets are generous, sociopaths will use the pity play to prey on their generosity. If targets are responsible, the sociopaths will get them to clean up the messes that they create. If targets are skilled in business, the sociopaths will enlist them to join the entrepreneurial dream, be members of the team, until they are carrying the full financial burden.
Whatever qualities and vulnerabilities target have, the sociopaths find ways to exploit them.
7. Sociopaths badger the targets into giving them what they want. My ex-husband did not come out and ask me to give him a credit card until long after we were married. Even then, I resisted for months.
But he wore me down. He said he was an entrepreneur, entrepreneurs always have terrible credit, and if I helped him, I would be helping our success. He pointed out that he needed a credit card when he travelled—conveniently neglecting to mention that his trips included seeing other women.
He explained. He nudged. He pleaded. Eventually, I just caved and made him an authorized user on one of my credit cards. When the card arrived in the mail, Montgomery acted like he received a windfall of cash. It was maxed out within a few months.
8. Sociopaths dig the targets into such deep holes that the only possible escape is through the sociopaths. Before long, my once-pristine credit was shot. I was carrying more debt than I ever had in my life. My only hope was that Montgomery would succeed with his plans, as he continued to assure me he would.
So every time Montgomery told me that he “needed” something, or “had to” travel somewhere, I approved the charges, hoping desperately that it would be the final step that would start to turn everything around. But that never happened.
9. Sociopaths know the rules. One day, as I was ranting about the oppressive credit card balances, I yelled that my husband had occurred the debts, and he had to pay them. Montgomery shockingly informed me that, since we were married, his debts were my debts. He was right.
Montgomery was also well aware of the fact that since all the credit cards were in my name, and I gave him permission to use them, I was responsible for his charges. Even when the judge in my divorce determined that my ex-husband had defrauded me, and Montgomery was responsible for the debts, the credit card companies didn’t care. They came after me.
Skylar,
Thanks for your concern…I do agree with you, but am not yet in a position to leave. Unfortunately, I have no support system because I don’t know who to trust. I’ve trusted telling a couple of people about his control and lies only to later discover that they think I’m crazy and need mental help. Many friends believe his lies and think he’s amazing. To them I’m unappreciative of just how wonderful he has made my life. In fact, a few act as though I should be grateful that he puts up with my crap! So they laugh with him and try to avoid being around me.
Approx. 10 years ago, he decided that we should travel. The schedule made it rough for me to maintain a good business. So, I finally gave up trying to juggle work and travel and ultimately stopped working a few years ago. Besides, it was a no win for me. He had encouraged me (for tax purposes) to have all of my commission income checks written to his company (no longer to me). So, I was stuck.
Since I’m no longer employed, and in my 60’s, it’s really scary to leave. If I did get a job, I’d be expected to either hand my check over or spend all of it for household expenses. So, it’s a no win situation for me…and he knows that.
Since I’ve always wanted to be an artist, I’m finally spending my time doing artwork. I’d like to create enough works that I can eventually make some sales and then make a life.
Debbie,
Although there are strong similarities I really doubt we are talking about the same person. My ex spath BF does not have as good a job as yours did. The way he targets women with houses and phone plans, and anything else that would be to his advantage is he frequents dating sites.
It makes sense when you think about it. Divorcees, widows who have the house but need some help with it. He is a handy-man type of person who seems at first like the perfect boy friend for someone who is just tired of getting out there or not ready to yet. He will fix your sink at the same time he will steal chump change from your drawer.
They seem to work from the same play book.
TTS
Wanttomoveon,
Yes, I can definitely identify with you. The reason my situation is a little confusing is that I didn’t have anything in the way of money or property. I was a stay-at-home housewife.
When I met my now ex husband what I did have was a substantial amount of child support and an autistic child. He had never been married but had a house he had bought as an investment. At the time I was taking college classes trying to finish my degree and selling beauty products door to door. I met him while doing that.
He was at home during the day as he worked the swing shift. It was convenient for him because of his weird working hours he didn’t have to go out and meet anyone, I just rang his door bell one day.
Looking back now I think what he saw was a clueless but generous, easy on the eyes, woman who had a used car. He could have easily bought one but hadn’t got around to it yet. His was totaled in an accident.
I don’t think he actually set out to marry me for my car. He was about ready to lose his house. The company he worked for closed while we were dating so he was between jobs. His sister put him up to this I believe. She told me that since he spent so much time at my place “rental” that I should not be so hypocritical and move in with him to help him out with is house. Because I was the “church girl” type I wouldn’t live with a guy unless I was married to him. Maybe my ex and I would have never got married had I just did what she suggested.
Instead, I was so busy taking care of autistic child I didn’t know what I got involved with. I was like the frog in the boiling pot.
He was very possessive about his house and didn’t want me to change it. His sister, on the other hand, hugged me when she saw how much better it looked. I had brought furniture. LOL
What he did see in me was the potential to make money later. I had had some college. Everything I talked about even things like writing a romance novel…..I got one of those formula books….on how to write them, to being on Who Wants to Be a Millionaire, he could see that somewhere, somehow I was going to make money for him. I know that sounds absolutely ridiculous but because I was good at the TV version of the show he really wanted me to try to get on it.
In the meantime, we lived day to day with him doing pretty much whatever he wanted. He was similar to the boyfriend spath I talk about as far as not much ambition. I went from the over achieving officer’s wife I had been in my first marriage to an under-achieving college drop out who through the years started to gain weight. The reason I dropped out of college is that I had moved to a different town after three years of college in one, and the schools were so different it was like starting over.
At this point it sounds like I am on the defensive. I gained weight because my Narcissistic mother projected her weight issue on me. I was in self-defeating rebellion. I quit school because I didn’t think I was going to have to use it. I was married with an autistic child, for Heaven’s sake. He got a blue-collar job that he has kept all of these years but never ceased to complain about how much he hated it.
I because more and more of a disappointment to him as I settled into being a mother and a wife. Of all the verbal abuse things he called me WORTHLESS was the most hurtful, but it makes sense now. Towards the end of the marriage he was talking to his sister on the phone a lot in whispers. I believe he was waiting to see what I was going to inherit from my mother.
On my side, I started working at my profession as a ParaPro so had to interview every year. Therefore, it is more like part time work. I loved it but most of my money was used, ironically, to get us out of credit card debt. One time I traded my first ex husband 5 years of child support for a money market account that he was going to leave to my daughter. I used that to get us out of debt. By this time first husband didn’t by law have to pay child support so I figured it was a win/win situation. I used that entire amount 25,000 to get us out of debt. I believed that the debt was my fault.
It was my mother who pointed out to me one day how much husband was spending. He would put something on lay-a-way at the Coin Shop, and they would get it out for him for Christmas. He had possession of my late father’s coin collection. One time, he took a gold piece and sold it and bought silver with it. I was furious with him and let him know. He had tears in his eyes. I know, probably crocodile tears. He had said to me once about the gold coins and my mother. “Little Old Ladies think this way. There are five coins, so I could put a fake coin in and she wouldn’t know the difference.” I have a good memory but when I was in the middle of all of this I didn’t realize what was happening. I was the frog in the pot. That is why I could Identify so much with the O is for Umbrella Thread.
One day, I finally woke up and started doing what I wanted with my house, decorating it the way I wanted, asking H to sell some of his stuff so we could get out of credit card debt. If you have ever watched the TV show “Hoarders” notice how mean they can be when really confronted. He started holding on tighter and tighter. I was determined to get out of debt and take no prisoners. It was all out war. He turned on the projection calling me a gold digger, Huh? The verbal abuse got worse and worse. I finally broke one of his valuable pottery pieces “accidentally” to prove a point and he left the house flipping off the power as he left.
I felt like we couldn’t afford a divorce. I handled the money but I was not the breadwinner. He was. He reminded me of that constantly. He wanted me to leave. I didn’t. He finally did one day and told my mother to ask me what I really thought about her. The worst I ever said was “My mother is driving me nuts.” He totally betrayed me though. Because he had cut her grass and had lunch at their house a lot he thought they were going to take his side in divorce. He finally left me a week before our 25th wedding annivesary. Why? Because I wanted to clean up the house, get rid of some things and get us out of debt?
No, the reason was because he really didn’t love me and found that I couldn’t be used any more.
What Donna said about Hate and spaths rang true to me. They can and do hate you if you upset their sense of entitlement. That is exactly what I did. The divorce was very difficult. Even the mediator said “He is so hard to reason with”. His lawyer was the one who finally told him that the offer I made to buy him out of his half of the house was the best offer he was going to get. He signed it.
TTS
Skylar,
I loved your description, “He looks like a homeless dude with rotting teeth, but he can connive ANYONE, especially someone who is already rotten to begin with.” They can convince anyone, even a phd. Yeppers.
Also, with the bi-sexual issue, my daughter would have got made at me too. “Mom, you’re implying it’s a bad thing.” She calls me out on a lot. I don’t think you meant to imply that it’s a bad thing at all, it’s that spaths have such screwed up sexuality that they make everyone their conquest, no matter male, female or donkey.
I think mine also has that same mentality which makes me scared for my son.
shabbychic , thank you for your advice. I have contemplated of getting her to read Donna’s book and also sending her the link to this website, but that would not be the right thing to do at the present time.
She will wake up one day [hoping soon] I even wish some times when he goes on those overseas trips that he will get caught again,
that would make her wake up what he is, I am certain that he has her money that she had. She told me that he has invested for her.[yes in his pocket] it appears to me she is has to live of the money she earns with her children. It makes me sad and also very concerned,she talented trained violinist and also very well educated. those sociopath certainly know when to strike, just as it happen to me[and it will never happen to me again]
we booth lost some one that we loved very much to cancer at the time[ her father my husband of forty three and halve years]
I know it has nothing to do with how intelligent one is, it has something to do with ones emotional.
This bloke isa real good con artist from what I have been told he even got money out of a police women and she did not get anything in writing from him.When he talks it sounds like he was born with a silver spoon in his mouth, I believe that is on of the traps victims fall into.
I am just going say nothing for the time and make sure I am there for her in particular when she wakes up.
Easp,
Unless you’re capable of a full scale intervention, I wouldn’t take it head on.
But, perhaps, were you to read through some of the posts and identofy some of the things other people have felt in the course of a relationship with a spath, you might be able to describe how other people you know feel in poor relationships. You might be able to ask if she ever feels like some of these people describe.
I would lead more gently and not push.
Unless I had a PI report that nailed his Butt to the wall and then, you bet I’d force the issue!
If you know and you don’t tell her somehow, for shame.
Its not ok to know and not say. But, you can’t count on her hearing you the first time. She may not. If she doesn’t, keep the door open.
How many of us would have been grateful for that kind of outreach in the long run? Most of the time, people give up, walk away and don’t say.
My dad even had the PI report. The PI told him not to tell me. When I mentioned that later on, most people who heard the story were horrified by it.
Its a tough call. But, I don’t know how to support you saying nothing because in the end, there are issues with that too. And I would encourage you to take the risk to speak your mind.
All the best,
silvermoon, you have given me some good ideas,I am going to talk to some one who is a very good family friend and also in the police department in a higher position.
There is no way that this spath is doing anything honest in those country’s he goes to very often.
What he is doing to my family member, is disgraceful when I see her she is basically his servant also he has no problems leaving her with children in a home that is very isolated.
What I am going to do as well maybe relate this this website to my experience with a spath and she might become interested.
But even than I have to be very careful how i do this, as i do not want loos her again.
silvermoon, you have given me some good ideas,I am going to talk to some one who is a very good family friend and also in the police department in a higher position.
There is no way that this spath is doing anything honest in those country’s he goes to very often.
What he is doing to my family member, is disgraceful when I see her she is basically his servant, also he has no problems leaving her with children in a home that is very isolated.
What I am going to do as well maybe relate this this website to my experience with a spath and she might become interested.
But even than I have to be very careful how i do this, as i do not want loos her again.
One joy/step,
I see your point, I will edit my remarks. thank you for pointing out the error of my words.
I AM angry at being deceived by 2 guys on the DL. One was my exP and the other was my good frenemy, Kevin, who KNEW but preferred to be loyal to a guy he only met once, rather than me, who really cared about him. it is soooo bizarre.
I told my bi-friend Todd about that story. The link to his story is up above, you should check it out in my post to Hens.
I told Todd, that he is lucky that he came out to his wife before a spath got to him and blackmailed him. Black mail can work in soooo many ways. It can be as covert as you can imagine. SPATHS ALWAYS get you in compromising situations and then you KNOW you are bonded with them because you share a SECRET!!!! Oh the bond of a SECRET is intense. Especially a SHAMEFUL secret.
One Joy, you spoke of a video…. OH YEAH, I know about that.
I know that my spath took a video of me during sex with multiple guys, which he coerced me into doing by crying and telling me that he would NEVER believe I really loved him unless I did this. blah blah blah, I was 25 and really dumb and couldn’t imaging that this WONDERFUL man could actually be LUCIFER. how do I know that there was a video? Because 2 months before the sexcapade, he told me he was taking the $3000 video camera and editing equipment (this was 1991) to a storage locker because he thought I would break it if he left it in my apartment. (WTF?) then about a week later he said it was stolen from his storage locker. LOL!. spaths lie and lie and lie and every word from their lips are lies. That’s how I know that there is a video of me in an orgy. (with my future brother in law!! the homeland security agent. LOL!)
So why do I talk about it here? Because I WILL HAVE NO MORE SECRETS. secrets are the ammunition of the spath.
And their unbelievable drama stories are the “tells”.
I did nothing evil. my actions were aimed at proving my love for him. I was stupid but not evil, I’m not ashamed. I tell lots of people what happened because that is freedom from shame and freedom from what the spath had planned for me.
I have come to realize that my frenemy Kevin was a spath too. just a garden variety. When you keep secrets, when you are overwhelmed with shame, you are spath. That’s Kevin. the closet bi or gay or whatever. As far as my exP, he would fuck a snake if it would stay still (to quote Oxy).
I’ll edit my post above, you are right, the words are a reflection of my anger towards what happened to me.
Jeannie,
I’ve got a house for rent. Never rented it before and need to pull a credit report, but don’t know anything about it. What do I need to have as proof of permission? I’m very worried about renting to spaths. I’m working on a partial rent, partial work agreement, so most people who respond do not have good credit. But I need to know.