Are sociopaths who cry “sensitive sociopaths,” or just extra clever sociopaths? What’s going on when sociopaths cry? Is their crying ever sincere, or always insincere? Is it ever deep, or always superficial? Always calculated, or sometimes spontaneous?
In short, what’s the deal with sociopaths and the crying game?
There are some sociopaths—more classical, Cleckley-like sociopaths—who can “cry on demand,” by which I mean cry, as if spontaneously, from a consciously manipulative agenda. Many of these sociopaths can summon displays of emotional vulnerability, like tearful anguish and contrition, with the skill of the gifted character actor.
In some cases, to extend the metaphor, some sociopaths—in the moment—may be so in character as to “virtually believe” in the authenticity of their presentations. These sociopaths may conjure tears, for instance, and then see the tears they’ve conjured as evidence, as ratification, of the sincerity of their response.
I use the term “virtually believe” to denote the sociopath’s capacity, in these cases, to almost delude himself into believing that he’s as sensitive and vulnerable as his presentation would suggest, when in fact—that is, when in reality—he’s, of course, shallow and fraudulent.
Conversely, there are also sociopaths who, producing seemingly spontaneous displays of vulnerable emotion, remain aware of the inauthenticity of their theatrics. That is, these sociopaths recognize that they are acting even as they may be successfully convincing others that they’re not.
What partly covers, or protects, sociopaths who engage the “crying game” is the inherent challenge of separating spontaneity and authenticity. That is, we tend to assume that what’s spontaneous is also authentic—indeed, that spontaneity itself virtually proves authenticity.
But this is a fallacy, which is to say that what’s spontaneous isn’t necessarily authentic. The sociopath’s ability, for instance, to conjure tears spontaneously—that is, at any given, self-serving moment —certainly doesn’t certify his emotional display as authentic.
But is this to say that sociopaths’ tears and crying are always, by definition, inauthentic? I wouldn’t say so, at least not definitively. But I would suggest that where, arguably, the sociopath’s tears are not a product of sheer manipulativeness and inauthenticity, the emotion(s) driving his tears will, by definition, be shallow and invariably selfish.
So, for instance, the sociopath choking up in the courtroom upon hearing the verdict “guilty” that will lock him away for life, may be conveying real emotion—he may really feel bad, upset; however, to the extent that he’s really suffering, we can know that he’s suffering not from what he took or stole from his victim(s), but from what he feels has been taken or stolen from him (for instance, his freedom).
He will suffer, in a word, as victim, not victimizer.
And should he appear to “grieve” his situation—versus protest it with his narcissistic rage—again let me stress: he will be grieving as victim, not victimizer. And his grief, like everything else about him, will be shallow, and dissipate quickly; and then he’ll reinhabit his usual state of emotional nullity.
But again, even in cases where his disarming loss of emotional composure—his tearfulness, for example—isn’t purely manipulative and play-acting, we can surmise that, often, this will reflect less the sociopath’s genuine, deeply felt emotion, like sadness, than a buildup of tension and stress associated with developments unfavorable to his interests (for instance, a jury’s return of “guilty”)—all of which may culminate in an emotional discharge of tension, which occasionally may take the disarming form of a passing squall of tears.
(Thanks to Lovefraud member Newlife, inspirer and friend, for prompting my initial consideration of this subject, which I intend to expand in a near-term post. As always, my use of male gender pronouns is for convenience’s sake, and not to suggest that females are incapable of the behaviors and attitudes discussed. This article is copyrighted © 2010 by Steve Becker, LCSW.)
This is good, thank you.
I WAS going to tell them he’s a sociopath – thinking they’d understand better. To shorten the time spent discussing that.
In the past I have had people cut me off and say ‘well, he’s a sociopath’ so I’ll let the police come to their own conclusion.
They’ll know I’m nervous – I’m a blusher. No need to state it. I am taking a relative with me who is also a victim.
Do they prefer timelines and logically presented facts or are they expecting the emotion?
I’ve seen nothing but the system being ‘played’ by that jerk in the past to his advantage and I’m really feeling powerless and futile. I recognize how this could work against me now with the police and really, really don’t want to screw up.
Harold, my personal experiences have been that saying the words, “I am nervous,” gets the truth out there, blusher or not. I’m frightened and nervous, so BE PATIENT with me. 😀
If you are taking another victim who may be asked questions, it is imperative that you each tell your own story and not reiterate one another’s experiences. “This is what happened to me. My friend will tell you what happened to them,” and follow it to the letter.
I suggest writing out a timeline only because there is so much craziness that goes along with spathy – I had to make certain of my dates, the quotes, the actions, etc. – I did not want to say, “I think this happened about this time, but I can’t be sure.”
Law enforcement deals with spaths on a daily basis: from the speeding ticket to the murderer to the child pornographer, they see it all. They are hesitant to use the term, “sociopath,” unless this has been properly diagnosed, and only THEN between themselves. You will never, EVER hear an officer or trooper say to a victim, “Yes, he’s a sociopath.” SO…….using the term, “fits the profile,” is clearly indicating that this individual presents all of the symptoms, but has yet to be diagnosed. In fact, using that term can often compel a savvy DA into ordering a psych evaluation for the perpetrator.
You won’t “screw up,” Harold! Just use caution, common sense, and remain as calm as you’re able. If you feel uncontrollable emotion coming on (like a crying jag), ask for a break.
yesterday I saw some crocodile tears, it actually looked fake and I didn’t believe for a minute that they were real. He had called my mom for an intervention (for me) because he sooooo concerned about me (sniff, sob). Except no tears actually came out of his non existant tear ducts. His eyes just looked reptilian.
We went to a marriage counselor yesterday and I said I did not believe one single word out of his mouth. With our daughter, he said I gave her my sex addict books to read and put ideas into her head. When we got home he said I was mean for bringing it up. Hello, this is an issue, your daughter doesn’t want to be alone with you because you’re creepy.
He cannot stand the fact that I think he is masturbating and will do anything to try and make me believe he’s not doing it. He is telling me that if I only will give him a chance he’ll make me happy. He will be supportive and do all the chores and let me do my school work. He can’t tell the truth to save his life and has no authenticity at all. He gives me so much of a guilt trip about tearing the family apart on something that isn’t true. I say B.S. It’s like he bobs and weaves with every conversation, he changes the story just to have things to his advantage.
Why is he so concerned about the fact that I think he’s sexually compulsive? It’s like he can’t bear for me to think that there is anything unusual about him. He finally admitted that he looked up porn, only because I have proof, but still won’t admit he looked it up on my laptop. He mixes truth and lies so it’s hard to tell what’s real.
My daughter says to not trust a word he is saying. She said he is just trying to manipulate me.
I wish he would just leave me alone!!!!!! He is now saying that I made a vow when we married and can’t break it. “Just give me one more chance”. Does this ever stop? He offered to take a lie detector test. My counselor today said that because he can detach from his emotions, he would be able to pass the test. He compartmentalizes everything.
Ok, I’m on a tangent. The point of this post was to say that my husband tried to cry yesterday but failed. He wasn’t even a little convincing.
Why won’t he just leave????? I don’t get it. He is digging in and I don’t understand that at all. He said we could get divorced and still live together, I could adopt him. HUH? WTF?
Hopeforjoy
To answer your question ‘does this ever stop?’, I think the answer is no, unless you give him everything he wants, but then he’ll just want more things and different things. They change and change and change what they say as long as it leads them to getting whatever they want from you.
I don’t know your whole story, but just at a glimpse:
Sounds like he wants you to take care of him, and that all his promises to do his part will turn out to be lies.
Sounds like he wants to believe he’s above his own sexual addictions, and that if there’s a problem, it’s yours.
Sounds like you will always be the bad guy (at least in his head) if you get in the way of what he wants.
It’s a crazy game of projection where all of his psychological feces get mapped out onto you, because you’re still there. He’d map them onto someone else, if they were in your shoes.
None of this may fit, since I don’t know your whole story, but thought I’d just give you the impression I got when I happened on your post.
Psyche
{{{Hopeforjoy}}} As the time drew near for me to move out, the ex spath tried EVERYTHING to change my mind. He even attended 3 session of marriage counseling. NO…..IT NEVER STOPS as long as we are in the same vicinity with them. He’s not going to leave until he’s forced to. With this escalation of his behaviors, I’d gently suggest getting rid of the firearms before you drop the bomb.
Get divorced and still live together? LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh, that’s rich! No committed, contractual arrangement, just a constant supply source!
Dear HOpe,
When is he court ordered to leave? If not yet, get the order to put him out ASAP. You are spinning your wheels and wasting your time “talking” with him or going to counseling, or listening to his lies. Your daughter has got it right! Get him out of there so she and you can have some kind of peace as you lay your heads on your pillows at night!
The longer you put it off, the harder it will be. What is there to wait for? Him to acknowledge he is a liar and a psychopath? That he is evil? You already know that!
Hope:
I have been thinking about you because I didn’t see you on LF.
I’m worried your wavering…..
Listen to your gut and protect that daughter of yours.
HE”S NOT GOING TO CHANGE…..he will get worse when he realizes he’s losing supply…(you).
You have the courage and strength to take care of yourself and your kids. Do it before you have any regrets!!!!
Your daughter is speaking very clearly to you…..listen up mamma and do what you must for you all!
XXOO
EB
ErinBrock,
I haven’t been on LF much because he’s watching me more. I will read some posts when I have time, but it always seems I start to reply and he comes into the room. Then it’s “Can I sit next to you, is it ok to hug you, I just want to be next to you”. Good lord!!! I’ll have a side game of solitaire going to switch to really quick.
I’m am so touched that you all care, it’s so incredible. EB-The stuff he keeps piling on me, it is never ending. He won’t leave me alone. Tonight it’s “Please forgive me, you’re so beautiful, my lovely wife, please forgive me.” I’m thinking, please stop, please stop, please stop.
You are right, I start to waver because sometimes he sounds so convincing, but when he starts to cover up his lies, he talks in circles and I see more of the disorder. Last week, my daughter and I had the same opinion on borrowing money to a relative and after she left the room he said “I know what you two are up to”. WTF Because we had the same opinion we are up to something. Just a bizzare statement.
How will he get worse? Why is he trying so hard to stay? From some other posts it seems the spath walked out on them, why won’t he do that? He offered twice to leave at Christmas time and I didn’t want him to. I wanted him to finish the testing done through the University (sexual health), the MMPI and some other tests, I did not want him to leave mid-process. If he offered now, I would take him up on it. For sure.
EB, can you tell me what to expect? Oxy said something about a court order to leave, I’ll ask my attorney about it tomorrow.
Hopeforjoy, if you want him to stop bothering you, TELL HIM. I had to tell the ex spath to keep his hands off of me and that I wasn’t discussing ANYTHING with him other than the children’s needs and that was IT. I did not allow him near me – at all.
He’s wanting to stay, Hope, because he believes that he OWNS you. Not like a lover owns their partner, but like a farmer owns a tractor, but in OUR cases, we have far less value than a piece of equipment. You are his SUPPLY! Or course he’s going to do and say anything he can think of to keep his tractor in the barn.
The ex spath was not allowed to touch me, attempt to “woo” me, offer his backhanded compliments, etc. I did not allow it and I didn’t allow it because I didn’t HAVE to.
BRIGHTEST BLESSINGS on you, Hopeforjoy. Take this bull by the horns and wrestle it down into the dirt! This is about YOUR survival, not the spath’s bogus attempts to display “feelings.” Remember – he’s performing an Oscar-worthy act.
Buttons,
This is a curious analogy about the tractor and how he thinks he owns me. Both of my daughters (ages 22 and 16) said that the reason dad married you is because you are pretty and would stay home and cook and clean for him. 16 year old said he wanted a 50’s wife, like in the T.V. shows. How is it they are so wise? I never could catch on, I was enmeshed. My tests showed that I have a high rate of dependency, meaning I’m low in self-esteem and assertiveness and need others to affirm my decisions. Wonder if I could get backbone replacement surgery? Telling me like it is without the sugarcoat, helps my resolve.
I have told him that I don’t want to talk about it and to give it a rest. He doesn’t get it!!! You are right, I need to be firm. I am so conditioned to not want to hurt other peoples feelings and he knows it.