In my last LoveFraud article I discussed strategies for vetting your new partner for “personality skeletons” lurking in the “apparent” history.
I’d like to focus, here, more specifically (and in more depth) on individuals with a pattern of discarding the people in their lives.
Sociopaths and other seriously disturbed narcissistic personality types will have this history—that is, a history (past and recent) that’s almost certainly littered with friends, family, and anyone who was once useful, whom they’ve cast off ostensibly for one or another reason.
As best as possible we want to glean this history, if it’s applicable and somehow accessible. In such cases, we want to ensure that blinding defenses such as denial, avoidance, idealization and incuriosity (among others) don’t compromise our observational powers.
More than that, we want to be sharply astute to evidence suggestive of such a history.
And why? If for no other reason than that adults with a track record of cutting loose the people in their lives simply do not outgrow this pattern.
In other words, this is a deeply inscribed aspect of their character, from which none of us carries special privileges to immunity or protection.
Yes, we’ve discussed this and other aspects of pathological narcissism before, but it’s always useful, I feel, to take a fresh view of it.
As we know, sociopaths and similarly character-disordered personalities engage in relationships, and in a great many interactions, almost strictly to the extent that they perceive you to be useful to their interests.
I think we can agree that, just as soon as the exploitive personality perceives that your usefulness to him has run its course, it will follow like clockwork that his use for you will correspondingly expend itself.
These personalities measure you against the criterion of your useful shelf-life which, in a sense, puts you in a not so different category from, say, an appliance, or, for that matter, any possession or object whose utility depreciates over time.
From the height of his satisfaction with your optimal utility to him, the sociopath begins a slow, inexorable and, in some cases, disorientingly precipitous, phase of depreciating you. He may, or may not, begin this process by idealizing you. But even if he does, he won’t be idealing you; rather, he’ll be idealizing your utility to him.
I’d like to stress this point again: Sociopaths, and I include all pathological narcissists, never really idealize you; they idealize your present utility to them.
And, of course, from there, it’s all downhill.
When exploiter’s depreciation of you is complete, then it’s time to discard, and replace, you. This constitutes his “moving on.”
If he could list you as a deduction on his tax return, based on your depreciated value to him, he would.
And so his discarding may take a more literal form, like leaving or ending the relationship; or it may take the less literal, but worse, form of his staying (or hanging around) while abdicating, increasingly, any and all sense of accountability in the relationship.
Now that you give him so little of compelling worth, so little to value and use (except, among other conveniences, perhaps a roof over his head), the exploitive “partner” no longer feels he owes you much of anything.
This perspective conveniently enables his conviction of his right to pursue his gratifications elsewhere. Again, this constitutes a form of his “moving on.”
But let’s not mistake what “moving on” means to the sociopath and like-minded personalities: it means finding new victims to exploit.
He may not consciously process his agenda as such (although he might), but we know that this is his agenda.
Many sociopaths, in their warped self-centeredness, subscribe to the philosophy: I want, therefore I deserve. And so the next step follows with dangerous self-justification—taking what they want.
Again, the sociopath may not consciously think, “I deserve to have fun with the credit cards in that guy’s wallet.” But he will want the credit cards with which to have some fun, and whether consciously or not, because he wants them, he’ll feel entitled to seize and use them.
This also explains the prototypical sociopathic telemarketer: he wants the old peoples’ assets, and because he wants them, he feels entitled to take them. Deploying any and every tool in his exploitive toolbox, he then takes all the assets he can from the naive couple.
Once having taken what he can from them, they cease to have use for him, and so he cuts them loose; he discards them. That is, having fleeced them for what he could, he “moves on” in search of more gratification through prospective new victims, who may have what he wants, that he can take.
Very likely he won’t look back, and if he does, it won’t be with empathy, guilt, shame or regret.
(This article is copyrighted © 2010 by Steve Becker, LCSW. My use of the male gender pronoun is for convenience’s sake, not to suggest that males have a patent on the behaviors discussed.)
about this thread – i have wondered lately why i was discarded exactly when i was. was it that i was getting physically more ill and not so great at being supply; was it that her other scams were requiring more time; did she need to go on vacation?
did someone fake die and fake resurrect because they needed to go on vacation?
no one would believe this story but someone who has gone though it.
and i do have this small piece in me – which i have beat with a broom whenever it dusted up – of feeling it was my ‘defect’… why did the ppath no longer ‘want’ to rape MY spirit? (and yes, that is irony you hear) and that’s because there are still tendrils of confusion and delusion entwining love and the experience of the ppath. what i felt is not the issue, tis what she DID that is the issue and how it impacts on what i felt and hoped and believed.
that’s oen of the places we get a bit lost in…the collision/ refusing the collision of all this info and what it means.
so, my question for myself ends up being, how do i feel defective? is that estimation useful? what do i need to change? not change? reframe?
One_step, introspection hasn’t done me a lot of good, lately, but more attending to the visceral issues. Why did the spath choose that time? I think that everything happens for A Reason, even if that reason isn’t clear or understood.
Had it happened sooner, would it have made a difference? If you were still embroiled in the sickness, where would you be, right this moment? If, if……I’ve done a great deal of “iffing” in the past decade, and there are no answers for the “ifs.” But, there are clear indications as to why I had my experiences when I did.
You’re not defective, by any stretch of the imagination, One_step! The spath may have sensed the reveal – the “out-tage” looming on the horizon, and cut-and-run. Do we want to feel valuable to the spath? At one time, we did. But, we are valuable to our Self, now.
{{{HUGS}}}
the ppathis one of the great discarders. she does this fake dying thing (of many of the characters sometimes) then resurrects the main character in the scam, OR comes on as family or best friend of the dead one (you out there reading jeanine? hope you are doing well). and then when outed, says she was PROTECTING the main character from the dupe.
yah right.
insert the c word here.
she tried a little of that on me. i didn’t rise to the bait. but i sure felt it tug at me when others wanted to believe all the sock puppets exist. it is another one of those little pieces that (well, this one is a bit bigger) tug at me still and that i whack with a broom regularly. i cannot afford the luxury of giving space to shaming myself. but it is there and it is intimately connected to the discard. i think this may be one of their greatest evil acts – the discard and how it affects those they discard. there is a mechanism in it that i want to understand more.
‘ i love you forever’, becomes, ‘you are __________(dangerous, crazy,etc, blah blah blah).’
when all you have done is TRY HARDER to love them. it’s not a normal cause and effect. you try hard at something and you are told you were, in fact doing something other than you were, and that you, in fact, are someone other than you are, and other than the person they had perceived you as. Gaslighting is a POWERFUL POWERFUL tool.
what is it that makes us even think their allegations could be true? why do we even consider it for a moment? i felt so accepted by the main character that when the other sock puppets came after me, it was like, umm, NO. the 2nd character had bee developing as the mask slipped persona for quite a while and man was he f&*()_*( wrathful (in a bad way) when he got into it. i knwo that that IS HER. that is who she really is. a really mean person pretending to be a sweet person, and a host of increasingly hostile mean people as the scams develop.
i have been having flashbacks to moments and words, and tones of voice…the little snarks of the main character, that i noted and was collecting as my exit visa. i had a couple of things that i wanted to share with ‘him’, and held back until we met. she knew this, and she got snarky. i challenged her on that one. she was pissy about it ’cause she didn’t have control – i wasn’t giving it and wasn’t allowing her to take it either. i am so thankful i never gave her certain info. she uses this juicy stuff later to control people – as reasons (the things she most liked about the dupe,etc.) she needed to get away, or ‘protect’ the main character, and as part of her public smear campaigns.
some of the things she tried to use against me where really ineffective, because i value those tings too much – she couldn’t turn me against myself or shame me using certain tools – they were not viaducts for negativity, and i feel too much pride about those things. (or in the case of religion – i was inoculated by an N ex). i love that she couldn’t hurt me in some ways.
i wonder what ways she could still hurt me. i maybe can do some work on that this weekend. because those are MY weaknesses – regardless of the fact that a only a horror show would TRY to use them to hurt me.
buttons – the reveal is yet to happen. 😉 months after the cut and run.
the timing doesn’t matter – i have no desire to be with her, and isn’t about wanting or pining for her in any way. not iffing, no denial. it’s not that at all, but that i know she does everything for a reason, and i am curious – partially to understand this situation better and partially to understand what she saw as not useful anymore. these is information in that for me.
know this might not be too clear – just sorting it through.
I get your drift, One_step. And, I agree that the discard is the cruelest of all the spath tools.
What you’re saying about what ways she could still hurt you is poignant for me with regards to my son(s). Had it not been for this site, I firmly believe that I would have willingly allowed my youngest son to set my emotions to the screws to continue playing the games that his spath father and spath brother have engaged in for all of these years. I had previously been discarded as a valued human being while married to the ex spath, and he saw to it that my own children did the same. My reactions to that were always predictable and profitable for all parties involved, except me.
I honestly feel that you have a really strong grip and understanding of the situation, One_step. You provide strong, sensible suggestions and insight, and it’s not coming from some handy list of advice! You’re putting into words that which you have practiced, yourself, for the benefit of others. You’ll sort this all out and provide even better insight into this cruelest of all weapons of the spaths.
thanks buttons. i am getting ready for the reveal. and as part of that, i need to be clearer about what she can use against me to hurt me that may actually throw me off balance, and work to make those things, ‘unavailble’ for manipulation. it’s getting ready for war, by practicing peace within myself.
towanda 😉
Hi One-step.
May I be blunt?
I read a book, years ago, entitled, “Obseesive Love”. The main point was that obsession is fueled by rejection.
It seems to me, the spaths, being who they are, with enormous ego’s and power drives, know perfectly well how to use that against us. It is a joy to them and a victory to have us in this place of powerlessness and self-doubt.
Yesterday, ( I think) someone posted something about powerlessness leads to feelings of shame. Rejection=obsession=powerlessness=shame.
Dear One-step, you know WHY already. She’s a spath. It really IS that simple, and I haer the victim in you still wondering if it was your fault. STOP IT!
I applaud your willingness to look at yourself, but I think you’re misguided in looking where you’re looking.
You are still seeing through the eyes of the powerless. You are still assuming you could have had some control, if you only knew what was missing in you. NO NO NO.
It’s time to quit beating that dead horse and just let go.
Admit and accept the powerlessness and move into a new space of self reliance and self trust.
I know that’s easier said than done. I occasionally re-visit the why stage, but it never lasts very long.
All I wanted was for my X to get a steady job, and quit starting fights so he could go MIA for a couple of days, and use, while I pined away, and worried while working my butt off….and I just couldn’t understand why he couldn’t do that….
I couldn’t understand for 7 years….Now I understand.
I couldn’t have what I wanted. That simple.
There is nothing on Gods green earth you could have been or done that would have changed what happened to you, or would have made the spath nonspath, or the fake persona you loved real. YOU DIDN”T DO IT.
Put your broom away and get on with it. 🙂
Hi to you too, Buttons. What I here most in you is the absolute contempt for your son’s use of the phrase, “I wouldn’t want to get anyone’s hopes up”. Boy, that reached right into the middle of your past experiences with others in your life and twisted, didn’t it?
I’ll bet you’ve experienced a lot of that in the past, and alot of let-downs and disappoinment…All at the hands of the extreamly arrogant…the self-righteios, self-centered ass-holes of the world. That, Button’s, was a trigger. It caused you to return to a place in the past, and made you FEEEEEL things that you don’t like to feel.
It’s possible though, that your son was innoscent, in so far as he didn’t have evil, or arrogant intentions. It’s a catch phrase, people use it all the time.
Please understand I’m not discounting your feelings. I am very familiar with those feelings, myself….and they hurt.
I’m glad you’ve made a decision and you feel better, today.
I think your list of next questions is very good. I wish you peace and the very best out-come with your son.
I hope I haven’t been too blunt this morning. (((((HUGS)))))
hi kim 🙂
this info re shame/ rejection/obsession is very useful. something to chew on; thank you!
you misunderstand. i am not at all interested in what i coulda should woulda done in the least. i am not in the least concerned with making anything different in the past, for a different miracle outcome in the present. not my gig.
i am not beating a dead horse – i am seeking to understand my situation. i am looking to see what the hook is within me, and I AM interested in why then (and the answer is not that she is a spath, that’s the ‘why at all’ part of it). she has her reasons. and as i am going into battle with her soon, i am wondering what they were.
the feeling defective part of it is something connected – she tapped it, and i need to sort that.
thanks sweetie.
one step