Sociopaths rarely go forward with their lives with reliable, sustainable momentum; at best, they may zig-zag for a while with the good (and bad) luck of a gambler; or go sidways for a while, “seeming” to hold it together.
But eventually, the sociopath tends to go backwards. He is much like the person on a high-speed treadmill who, no mattter how hard he or she walks or runs, finds himself, sooner or later, drifting off the end of the machine.
His disordered lack of empathy, detachment from others, detachment from an emotional connection to the world that keeps the rest of us on fairly solid ground, giving us at least a chance to hit solid ground, and hit it running—the sociopath is missing this connection, and thus makes no consistent, sturdy contact with solid ground; his traction, ultimately, is tenuous and illusory.
The sociopath may “look” like he’s making progress (especially if progress is defined as his profiting, in some fashion, from his disrespect or abuse of others’ trust and vulnerability); in the end, however, his progress will be as superficial and unreliable as he is—finally, certainly in the vast majority of cases, he just makes messes of his own and others’ lives.
For this reason I don’t regard sociopaths—even so-called really sharp, predatory sociopaths—as generally very “smart” individuals. Most of them, as I’ve written elsewhere, and stress here again, are just “mess makers.”
Many end up in jail, and those who don’t, when they aren’t sowing havoc, are usually courting disaster and, at some point or other, almost always finding it.
Even the smoothest, most effectively calculating sociopaths, even allowing for those who are never apprehended–even these sociopaths lack the capacities that make for a life worth counting: the capacity, for instance, to love; give from the heart; sacrifice for others; and be counted-on in “crunch time” (which is to say, during times of real personal inconvenience).
The sociopathic individual doesn’t genuinely relish these experiences, although he may, as we know, mimic them superficially (and sometimes convincingly); but he doesn’t derive the pleasure to be experienced from a genuine investment in them.
His view of the world is not unlike the immature child’s who, on halloween night, approaching a bowl of candy left on a stoop, where the code of integrity is implicit (take one or two candy bars), instead grabs a fistful of candy, stuffing his pillow case with it.
The child then feels a bit giddy over his caper, heedless that, in the process of enriching himself, he has selfishly deprived other children of candy and, at the same time, violated the homeowner who risked trusting in his basic sense of fairness and respect.
It’s possible that this child on halloween may make his “grab” in a more impulsive, less calculating, fashion; or, he may have plotted his “grab,” and then executed it from house to house, even before putting his “costume” on at home, prior to hitting the streets.
In either case, take his mentality and now watch it never evolve, even as the boy grows into a man, and there you have it—an adult who thinks, and acts, like a sociopath”¦that is, a sociopath.
The forms of corruption and violation his personality can later express are many, but the underlying mentality is the sociopath’s. And it dooms him, in the end, to a troubled, troubling and unfulfilled life.
(This article is copyrighted (c) 2011 by Steve Becker, LCSW. My use of male gender pronouns is strictly for convenience’s sake and not to suggest that females aren’t capable of the behaviors discussed.)
My daughter had a boy pull a knife on her when they were in high school. He was very jealous and controlling. He cut her off from her friends, told her how to dress and where she could and couldn’t go. He knocked her into a locker at school. I didn’t know any of this. He had me snowed. I really liked him. Very handsome charming and polite. A real Eddy Haskell.
Anyway, when she had had enough and was trying to break it off, he showed up at our house and wanted her to take a ride with him, just to talk. I don’t know why she thought she had to go with him, but she did. (Probably the pity ploy, and her extreme empathy and need to be kind….) But he got her out in the woods and pulled a knife. I thank God she was able to talk her way out of it and he brought her home!!!
That was 18 years ago, and this guy’s name is in the paper at least once a year. He’s been prosicuted for domestic violence and battery on at least three different women.
This is serious stuff!!
I was in a very bad marriage at the time this was going on, and my daughter probably learned a lot of her accepting the unacceptable traits from me.
It hurts me that she didn’t talk to me about what was going on, but I didn’t really have the knowledge or skills to pass on to her anyway. You do. Talk to your daughters, and continue to model good values and choices for them.
THANK GOD your daughter was ok in the end….I think you do learn things from your parents…I watched my mother settle for years and I followed her footsteps untill now…My first b/f was very abusive, told me what to wear, who to talk to, the guys at school were afraid to talk to me, etc. He started off slow…yelled at me, kept me in a corner at a wedding yelling at me, pushed me, slapped me and then one day punched my face through a screen window..my mother said I needed to break up with him and I did..thank god for that one…he could have really done something worse…
Girls need to learn early not to put up with the abuse!
Hi all ~ Feeling pretty down today. Thinking about the events of the weekend. It seems that my mother has become a spath, or maybe she has been all along.
Over the weekend, she talked to my husband R when I wasn’t around. Then told me her version of the conversation at the first opportunity when R was elsewhere. She then insisted that I not let R know that she’d told me about it… I didn’t say anything to R, until about 4 hours into our 5.5 hour drive back home. I specifically asked him if she had done any digging for information while they were talking alone. He knew what I meant, because this has happened in the past. He said that she’d done nothing but whine about T, my brother’s N wife.
Of course, that’s NOT what my mother had told me. She said that R had told her that he planned on supplying a car to his 16 yr old son. I am so incredibly PO’d about this I could just spit tacks.
R & I had discussed this subject and settled on NOT providing a car for the kid to drive. We have had trust issues with him for over a year now. He was told that he must work on earning back that trust, or he could not count on any privileges from us. The kid has done ABSOLUTELY nothing to gain our trust. If anything, he has become more secretive.
I believe that this is due to living with his SPATH of a mother. I’m not sure how much more of this I can handle. Between dealing with my increasingly manipulative mother, and this kid that is showing signs of growing up to be a spath just like his mother.
I’m trying very hard to just LET IT GO. I’m just at a loss right now. Just feel like bawling my eyes out. Ok… I guess maybe I’ll feel better when I’m done. Thx for listening
Sociopaths never seem to make anywhere. I was puzzled that the one I was involved with had his Phd in physics, but was incapable of holding a job or even folliwng through on simple tasks. I still don’t “get it”, though I have learned that it is indeed this way. he simply wanted to sponge as much as he could from me… until the day he took my life savings. luckily he made the mistake of “hiding the money” in switzerland – where they really don’t like theft. with my concrete proof of ownership I got all back. but still my mind can not process what has happened.
the post of cartoons showing empaths w spaths was very instructive.
It’s so frustrating, isn’t it. So which one of them do you believe your hub or your mother? Or don’t you know?
Don’t ever let someone swear you to secrecy when they have something to tell you. It’s a no-win situation, and the person who tells you has all the control, and you are left in the no power position….and no solution to the problem and yet stuck with all the frustrations! Keep this cliche in mind: we are only as sick as the secrets we keep. I’m not implying that you are sick, but that kind of triangulation is a symptom of a sick relationship.
So, I am assuming you haven’t asked your hub if he said that. Have you? It might be the best thing to get it out on the table. It will disolve the power dynamic in one fell swoop.
Realize that you are the one being wronged, not your mom. It’s none of her business in the first place.
I hope you feel better soon.
Kim ~ Thanks. Just had myself a good cry & lots of dog hugs. (unconditional love at it’s finest)
We did have a discussion on the subject. He says that she read more into his words than what was there. What he had really said was that if the kid was going to drive one of our cars, he would have to be paying for insurance and gas at the very least.
You are right, it is NONE of my mother’s business, she always tries to inject herself into it though. I think part of it is boredom on her part. She has lived alone for over 10 years, and isn’t physically able to get around very well. WOW, am I actually making EXCUSES for her?? Holy sh*t!! Oh dear God, please don’t let me be an enabler!!!
The relationship between my mother and me has never been a good one. She always blamed me for anything that my younger brother did wrong. So it’s been a lifetime of “not good enough”, “bad influence on brother” etc, etc. Sometimes, I do very well in letting it just roll off my shoulders, other times… not so much.
Thanks for the advice Kim, it is truly appreciated.
Finding myself
I would get her the book, “Why is it always about you?” by sandy hotchkiss. Give her a hug and tell her that you love her and want her to have all the tools she needs to deal with life and people as she grows up.
It’s such a great book. make sure you read it too.
it saved my life. That and a few other things God sent my way.
Dear Hope 2 heal,
Okay, you have recognized that your “mother” (female DNA donor) is manipulative. I think you are right, she has always been, people don’t just “start to be this way” out of the blue.
Secondly, she is trying to CREATE DRAMA between you and your husband.
Thirdly, your husband may not be entirely honest with you about all this.
So, what do YOU do about it?
First, the thing I would STRONGLY suggest is that you essentially CUT YOUR MOM OUT OF THE LOOP. Tell your husband to cut her out of the loop. NO MORE CONTACT WITH HER, NO MORE DISCUSSIONS WITH HER ABOUT ANYTHING. There is NO upside in interacting with this woman or anyone who tries to create trouble between you and your husband.
Next,, I would sit down and have a heart to heart with hubby and tell him that you are not going to play the games with mommy dearest and that you request that HE CUT HER OUT OF THE LOOP TOO.
His relationship with his son DOES IMPACT YOU (financially if not other way) ….so it is important that the TWO OF YOU agree on how this relationship should be handled—or, if that is not okay with him, then YOU BACK OUT OF THE RELATIONSHIP WITH THE KID COMPLETELY and let your husband handle it 100% but YOU DO NOT PARTICIPATE.
If you get into a situation where there is manipulation and hiding secrets it will only adversely impact your relationship with your husband if you cannot trust him.
Believe me Hope2 I have cut out everyone in my family that I cannot trust…and that is all but one son, D. Everyone else is essentially NC or at ARM’s LENGTH without any information that they can use against me….
I do NOT KEEP SECRETS between husbands and wives….and my failure to keep secrets and get involved in secrets may have ended a 30 year “friendship” between me and a woman I loved like a sister. her husband “confided” in me that he thought she had had an affair with a man while she was on vacation with me. He has since met the man (in our living history group) and he thought she had an affair with this guy….I told him that HE WAS ENTIRELY WRONG, AND THAT IF SHE HAD, I WOULD HAVE KNOWN, AND IF SHE HAD I WOULD HAVE TOLD HIM MYSELF.
I then later told her what he had said and what I had said. A few months later when I went to visit them they both treated me like I was unwelcome….I left and have not heard a word from either of them since (3 months) I realize he is an abusive man, a drunk and since his retirement she has become very depressed with him around more and verbally abusive to her….and she is majorly unhappy and depressed—and who knows, maybe is ashamed for me to know what is going on in her dysfunctional marriage, but she does not handle it, isn’t interested in doing anything about it and I am not willing to keep secrets, be involved in a triangle situation, or to put up with either her or her husband being hateful and disrespectful to me.
As long as we interact with this kind of DRAMA-RAMA in anyway except straight up and honest, we become part of the problem.
The x wife is going to try to keep as much drama and crap going on as she can, the boy seems to be falling into the pattern and your husband and you can only handle it in a healthy matter or it will make it worse for both of you, and for your relationship.
Keep mommy dearest at arm’s length….you need her interference like you need another hole in your head.
Mimicking is an incredible skill that my spath had – I’ve talked about how he just blends. It was pretty crazy. Like he never really had his own thoughts or his own independence. He was always copying or looking to me for cues.
In a lot of ways they are like vampires. That exhaustion you feel when you are around them is from them draining you of your life force.
For the three years, I was with him, I would just lose him in a crowd all the time. He would just disappear. Then he would reapper. It was wild.
When I moved out he bought all new glasses, silverware and plates etc. that were oddly similar to mine. I think he was trying to fool his children into thinking they were the same. I’m sure they weren’t fooled for one second. Also, I’m sure they didn’t care much either.
He would mimick his father – who may be a sociopath too. He wanted an office, a gym and a pool that looked just like dear old dad’s. Actually, his dad is a lovely person who is probably well aware of his spath tendencies since he a recovering drug and alchohol abuser who has since gotten it pretty together.
There would be heaps and piles of mail – his of course, spilling onto the kitchen counter all the time.
I’m afraid, my ex-guy will never get it together. He doesn’t have the balls for it.
Strong people are the ones who are able to get through life by facing things – even the mistakes and the not so great things – honestly.
Sociopaths are weak.
Hey, all…..
I haven’t been here much lately…..I’ve been moving forward, moving on, particularly since “the end of the story” that played out exactly as Steve’s article describes: Jamie’s suicide.
This article speaks precisely to the factors in Jamie’s life that brought him to a place of No Way Out. He never was going anywhere. He was just busy, busy, busy, scamming, conning, deceiving, weaving webs of fantasy in his personal & business life…..zig-zagging along, ducking & diving, shucking & jiving…..& making Messes of Lives on the way.
The simple way of putting it—-which is what everybody, without fail, says immediately when they hear that he hung himself on 2/22/11 (a date typifying his “showmanship”)—-is, “It all caught up with him.” I don’t know, don’t know if anyone knows (but if they do they’re not telling me), & will probly never know “why he did it”.
But knowing what we know about sociopaths, understanding completely what Steve has so eloquently articulated, *we* know “why he did it.” Jamie, was always courting disaster, & at some point, inevitably, he found it.
“The forms of corruption and violation his personality can later express are many, but the underlying mentality is the sociopath’s. And it dooms him, in the end, to a troubled, troubling and unfulfilled life.”
Is it wrong for me to say I’m “thankful” that my long, strange 8yr trip with a sociopathic mate who I loved to the point of adoration ended so tragically? I’m sad for his children. Sorrowful for the darkness of his soul journey, in this life & in the one Beyond. But I’ve been able to find grace for myself thru all of this……seeing that God has a purpose for me that I’d never envisioned……something far, far different than what I thot my life at 66 would be/become. I don’t know yet what it is, but I have to accept the truth of the simple but sincere platitudes of so many friends, “God saved you from him for a reason.”
I will stand up & testify about the agony & suffering we experience after having a sociopath make a mess of us & our lives (I NEVER want to go thru the HELL I went thru this past year ever again!) But I’ll also testify that I KNOW there is LIFE—& Good Life—on the other side of it. I’ve realized that you (I) just have to reach out & find it. I’ll be coming home from the mission trip to Haiti in May exactly a year to the day before Jamie walked out on me last year. I thot I’d die. I WANTED to die. But I’m alive. And I’m glad.
Love & blessings to all of you, my friends at LF, who helped drag me thru to this day. I think about you & read your posts, but have just been busy finding life again.