I was with my sociopathic ex-husband, James Montgomery, for two and a half years. During this time, I knew he was costing me money, but he attributed his lack of business success to “being ahead of his time.” I eventually discovered that he was lying and cheating on me. But although I saw eruptions of anger, my ex was never abusive towards me—nothing like the abuse many of you have endured.
Some sociopaths can treat people reasonably well for an extended period of time, if it suits their purpose. For example, Lovefraud received the following e-mail from a reader:
I was not in a disastrous relationship with my S. Our relationship was less than three years, our marriage less than two, when he openly cheated and decided to leave me, then played games of false reconciliation, which in hindsight were so he could have two sex partners.
The short end of my question is… How do you reconcile the basically happy marriage, the illusion of a man you married with the horrible monster he has become in trying to create turmoil in your life and use your greatest love (your child) to hurt you?
Expressions of love
I’ll get to this reader’s question shortly. But first I want to review some of the information Lovefraud learned in last year’s survey (not the current one) about people involved with individuals who exhibited sociopathic traits. One of the objectives of that survey was to investigate whether and how often sociopaths expressed love.
We asked the question, “Did the individual you were involved with verbally express love or caring to you?”
A total of 85% of all survey respondents said yes. And, when the individuals being described were the spouses or romantic partners of the survey respondents, rather than parents, children or others, 92% of the males and 95% of the females expressed love verbally.
How often did this happen? A total of 44% of survey respondents said the sociopathic individual expressed love daily.
Complete change
The survey also asked the following: “Please provide a brief description of the way the person you were involved with expressed love. How did this change over the course of your relationship?”
Now I’ve been hearing all kinds of stories about the games sociopaths play in relationships for more than five years. Yet some of the answers to this question still made my jaw drop.
A small group of survey respondents reported a complete change of behavior the moment they were committed to the relationship—moved in, married or pregnant. This startling change was reported in reference to 7% of the females and 5% of the males. Here are some of the quotes:
Initially with dates, flowers, gifts and little thoughtfullness’s. After I married him, he said, on the Honeymoon, ‘I can stop acting now.’ I thought that he was joking. I later learned he did not do jokes.
From very loving to cold indifference…started right after we were married — The change was startling — cold, distant, indifferent, condescending, mean spirited, accusatory — self righteous, irresponsible
It changed the minute we got married. Then he owned me you see, I was nothing to him after he lured me in! All he wanted was MONEY!
In the beginning of the relationship (before marriage) he was loving, caring, could not do enough for me. Called me his soul mate, his true companion in life. This continued until the day I married him, within hours after the wedding ceremony his personality shifted. It was as if I had dated and fell in love with one person, but married someone I was completely unfamiliar with, he was a stranger to me in all ways.
Doesn’t exist
So, back to our reader’s question, “How do you reconcile the basically happy marriage with the horrible monster he has become?”
The man this reader saw during the happy part of the marriage did not exist. It was an act, a charade, a mirage that the sociopath kept going until it no longer served his purpose. The real man is the horrible monster.
The more the fog lifts…………
Just like Quest’s O for Umbrella………maybe I’ll write an article, but I’m not a good writer………
Learning from others here who are the best……..
Take what he/she says, FLIP IT………..therein lies your “TRUTH”…
So many mind games……………
I”m getting it BIG TIME!!!
TAKE EVERYTHING THEY SAY…….FLIP IT!!! THERE IS YOUR TRUTH!!!
LL
robxsykobabe –
“Funny”as I type this something is coming to me”
I was being used!!! I provided a place for he and his child to ’live’ which meant it was THEIRS too. Me being here was simply like any other house ornament”THEY just worked around me because it was THEIR house now. I just lived in it (as the money train, laundry doer, dish washer, bathroom cleaner, ect). ”
Bingo darling. You have nailed it! Exactly what I was too, for my ex-husband and his son (who wreaked havoc in my life). I did everything for them and paid for everything for them with my own money too.
You are not alone – either in having been trapped in it nor in getting out of it.
Stay. x
Still wondering about notcrazee – if anyone has heard that she’s okay, could they please let me know? Thanks.
Oh…and one more thing! I was a great place for HIM to have a dog (saying he bought it for me, just in case things didnt work out and he had to leave…I get the dog THEN)…but without PAYING for the dogs upkeep…shots, microchip, spayed, dog park fee, food, toys…not to mention dog school which he said hed split with me.
He got all the benifits w/o payin the price! So then again, i ask…whats not to find ‘attractive, interesting or feel’ in that gig? Sounds pretty EFFIN good to me …RRAAWWRRR!
IM ON FIIIIIIRE!!! An article Im reading about emotional abuse said this…
“Aggressive abuse can also take a more indirect form and may even be disguised and “helping.” Boy oh boy does this hit home. He had an unrelenting skill at criticizing my driving ALL…THE…TIME…
Nevermind the fact that HE COULDNT DRIVE OR HAD A RESTRICTED DRIVING LICENSE!!! He would say he was ‘just trying to help” me because I didnt know the rules of the road. He’d get VERY mad when I said “uhhhh, really? Cause I seem to be the one allowed to drive right now.”
So last weekend we went to see biological mother and on Saturday we went to a museum. She was THE WORST driver Ive ever driven with. I said nothign because…well, because I WASNT DRIVING!!! He sat up front with her…AND SAID NOTHING!! Why? Because he KNOWS how totally inappropriate HIS comments are and he’ not want her to ‘see’ that side of him…hmmmmmmmmm…
And I shall kepp reading…
OMG!!! Another part to the article…
“Denying a person’s emotional needs, especially when they feel that need the most, and done with the intent of hurting, punishing or humiliating”…
Ok…EEXXXXXXXAMPLE…
I say I would like for him to show affection and attention to me because Im feeling bad about things hes said that have hurt me…nothing. A day later I say I have noticed hes not been affectionate and attentive to me and it hurts my feeligns EVEN MORE…nothing. Pathetically, I am on the verge of BEGGING him for attention and affection…he ignores me even more…
His response to me “if you want affection, why dont you come and get it from ME?” H.U.H??? That doesnt even make sense, A_HOLE! But for him it did…sure…If I went to HIM to get the attention I needed, I would become TOTALLY undignified and objectified…maybe that WOULD have given him the green light to up the any…I mean, “what kind of human BEGGS for attention and affection…how PATHETIC can one person be?” I HATE HIM
I even said to him this also…
“I feel like Im beign hurt intentionallly or being punished for something.” He responded…
“YOURE NOT A VICTIM!!!”
RRRRRRRAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWRRRRRRR
LL,
yes it hurts, and on an emotional level, I still wonder if it is all in my imagination and he will be wonderful with her, and if it was all my fault for bringing out the behaviour in him, and if she is so perfect for him that she does not ellicit the abuse. But on an intellectual level, I know I did not imagine any of it and that he will be the same as he always was, and that it was not my fault, and that nobody could be perfect for him.
Thus the reason for my retunr to this board after a period of “being fine”.
Sometimes I marvel at how clearly he told me and showed me that he did not love me, and wonder how the hell I didn’t see it – really see it. But, I mentioned before in a different post, that his sister had explained that of course I didn’t see it – not in the context of our daily lives, not when he was still telling me he loved me, not when he was planning our futures out loud, not when he was phoning me to tell me of every little success he expereinced during the course of his workday, and not when he openly criticized others for abusing, using, and abandonning their wives and children. The day before he left, we were skiing as a family.
Every instance of outright cruelty was forgiven as an abbheration, or excused on the basis of “how hard he worked”, or “how stressed he was”, or “how tired he was”. And in truth, he treats EVERYONE who he is “close to” in that same way, and everyone is so used to it, that they just LAUGH, or shake their heads, or throw their hands in the air and say “Oh, that’s just Spath, that’s how he is”, to the point that nobody seems to notice anymore how utterly wrong it is – or at least, choose to ignore it.
Of course I didn’t know he was devoid of feelings, he waxes on about it all so poetically, and only showed me his true self once the mask started slipping, and finally when it dropped for good.
The one thing that keeps me sane, is the one thing that is the worst part of all of it – his treatment of the children. For if it was true that he “simply fell out of love with me”, there would be no reason for his cruelty, but you could kind of accept it, but when that cruelty extends to the children he still professes to love, because after all, only a MONSTER would admit to not loving two sweet school-aged souls, then you know you are dealing with someone disordered. I remind myself often of how little regard he showed for their emotional and financial well-being…all along really.
As well, though the replacement does not see it, she is already accepting so much BS on his behalf, and owning so much BS for him. Examples include the family disinviting them for Christmas, and though she questioned it, and was not given a real answer, she opted to ignore it, and go on holiday with him instead, probably licking his wounds and feeling sorry for him to have such a family. And when she came with him to meet the children, I have no doubt she paid for the tickets, and then, he left her standing there and failed to even introduce our daughter to her, while he basically used the car as a shield, and I actually thought “Welcome to my world Sweetheart”, and then she talked to me about how happy I must be, in complete oblivion to reality, so I know she is too naive to understand that no woman in their right mind would be happy to see their own world, and that of their children crumble spectacularly, and that he at least lies to her by omission…same, same, same as always.
As for finding out about their wedding? Heartwrenching, spent the whole day on the beach and smoked an entire pack of cigarettes, though I quit years ago. Then, strangely freeing, because I no longer had to wonder if I was wrong, and he was secretly twisted up inside fretting about his actions, or remorseful but too proud to say. On the contrary, he was having a fabulous time, taking her on some of the VERY SAME dates he took me on over a decade ago! He was engaged 18 months after our relationshit ended, one year after our divorce was final, and to someone who has never been married, does not have kids, who is pushing forty, and carrying at least as many extra pounds as I am after eating myself through my divorce (LOL). And, she is someone who he knew briefly years ago, and reconnected with via FB, and who he described as “wealthy” and “someone who will never be married because she is man-ish, and gives off an asexual, lesbianish vibe”. So what do you suppose is HER vulnerability that makes her a prime target?
BTW, two years today. And believe it or not, I’m much less bitter now. LMAO : )
To GoingThroughTheMotions..
“he was having a fabulous time, taking her on some of the VERY SAME dates he took me on over a decade ago!” & “he described as ’wealthy’ and ’someone who will never be married because she is man-ish, and gives off an asexual, lesbianish vibe’. So what do you suppose is HER vulnerability that makes her a prime target?”
What if the ’thing’ he changed you out for is REALLY a HERMAPHRODITE? What if the ’thing’ he changed you out for is REALLY a transsexual? What if the ’thing’ he changed you out for is REALLY a lesbian who has agreed to let him use her as his BEARD? ” Any of those things are very possible.
My ex tried to use me as a beard without my knowing it, & I suspect he did same with his 1st wife, will do it with the NEXT woman, after me, too. It was the worst abuse I have ever endured in my life—has you feeling like he tried to turn you into some permutation of a fag hag. I suspect he was TRYING to turn me into a lesbian [sorry fella..I’m all woman..it just won’t take!]
As for the part about your ex describing his next [PREY] as “wealthy” .. well, that just goes to show you his money-grubbing, greedy, gold-digging GIGOLO side.
I haven’t read every part of your contribution to this thread, but he seems to have almost an identical “M.O.” to my ex, and is probably on the DL.
You wrote, “he was having a fabulous time, taking her on some of the VERY SAME dates he took me on over a decade ago!”
My ex took me to his 2nd wife’s favorite Chinese restaurant (he even said so), plus wanted me to eat my smoked oysters (I always loved smoked oysters, but I liked to eat them with just saltines, no lemon or lime juice) the SAME WAY SHE ATE THEM..with lime juice squeezed on them. This is what SPATHS do! They “re-live” parts of their pasts with their exes, with you .. I suspect because they CANNOT COME UP with the OWN ideas, so have to borrow heavily from the ideas/minds of the women they con, to use her ideas on MS. NEXT.
A former female friend of mine who also knew my ex, because her former husband (a phone sex addict, among other things..he left her for one of her so-called friends..the same thing my ex did) once played in a band with my ex—she said something interesting about her ex.
She said, “I will never let another man rent my mind!”
My SPATH’s first ex wife & I finally spoke, for a long time. She said that two of her gay male friends said they had had sex with him. She also said he wanted her to wear a strap on peenie and “do” him, & that he wanted her to wear his undies and for him to wear hers. My ex tried that crap on me, too (only he didn’t ask me to wear men’s undies, nor asked me to wear a strap-on, but I suspect had his perversions escalated, he probably would have done. I think he KNEW he couldn’t get away with that, with me.)
Yep, I suspect your ex might be another on-the-down-low con.
This too will pass.
~Zim
I agree, Zim, they can’t come up with their own ideas, and repeating, even things from movies, is what I saw too. Pathetic.
If you want to see the arrogance of a sociopath, read http://www.ew.com/ew/gallery/0,,20469109,00.html?hpt=C2
His behavior is caused by addiction, maybe he is or isn’t a sociopath, but it is certainly a good example of the type of arrogance we see, especially in “high achieving” sociopaths, though in my mind, WHO a person is matters so much more than WHAT they are, that this person is not high achieving. His heart and ethics I suspect has always been low achieving.