I was with my sociopathic ex-husband, James Montgomery, for two and a half years. During this time, I knew he was costing me money, but he attributed his lack of business success to “being ahead of his time.” I eventually discovered that he was lying and cheating on me. But although I saw eruptions of anger, my ex was never abusive towards me—nothing like the abuse many of you have endured.
Some sociopaths can treat people reasonably well for an extended period of time, if it suits their purpose. For example, Lovefraud received the following e-mail from a reader:
I was not in a disastrous relationship with my S. Our relationship was less than three years, our marriage less than two, when he openly cheated and decided to leave me, then played games of false reconciliation, which in hindsight were so he could have two sex partners.
The short end of my question is… How do you reconcile the basically happy marriage, the illusion of a man you married with the horrible monster he has become in trying to create turmoil in your life and use your greatest love (your child) to hurt you?
Expressions of love
I’ll get to this reader’s question shortly. But first I want to review some of the information Lovefraud learned in last year’s survey (not the current one) about people involved with individuals who exhibited sociopathic traits. One of the objectives of that survey was to investigate whether and how often sociopaths expressed love.
We asked the question, “Did the individual you were involved with verbally express love or caring to you?”
A total of 85% of all survey respondents said yes. And, when the individuals being described were the spouses or romantic partners of the survey respondents, rather than parents, children or others, 92% of the males and 95% of the females expressed love verbally.
How often did this happen? A total of 44% of survey respondents said the sociopathic individual expressed love daily.
Complete change
The survey also asked the following: “Please provide a brief description of the way the person you were involved with expressed love. How did this change over the course of your relationship?”
Now I’ve been hearing all kinds of stories about the games sociopaths play in relationships for more than five years. Yet some of the answers to this question still made my jaw drop.
A small group of survey respondents reported a complete change of behavior the moment they were committed to the relationship—moved in, married or pregnant. This startling change was reported in reference to 7% of the females and 5% of the males. Here are some of the quotes:
Initially with dates, flowers, gifts and little thoughtfullness’s. After I married him, he said, on the Honeymoon, ‘I can stop acting now.’ I thought that he was joking. I later learned he did not do jokes.
From very loving to cold indifference…started right after we were married — The change was startling — cold, distant, indifferent, condescending, mean spirited, accusatory — self righteous, irresponsible
It changed the minute we got married. Then he owned me you see, I was nothing to him after he lured me in! All he wanted was MONEY!
In the beginning of the relationship (before marriage) he was loving, caring, could not do enough for me. Called me his soul mate, his true companion in life. This continued until the day I married him, within hours after the wedding ceremony his personality shifted. It was as if I had dated and fell in love with one person, but married someone I was completely unfamiliar with, he was a stranger to me in all ways.
Doesn’t exist
So, back to our reader’s question, “How do you reconcile the basically happy marriage with the horrible monster he has become?”
The man this reader saw during the happy part of the marriage did not exist. It was an act, a charade, a mirage that the sociopath kept going until it no longer served his purpose. The real man is the horrible monster.
Ox;
Thanks. I am not “OMG” over this guy and do not intend to rush into anything.
Dear BBE, darling you don’t have to be OMG! over someone to let your guard down and extend to them trust that they do NOT deserve. I have found that out the HARD way!
I no longer give out trust “UNTIL PROVEN WRONG,” but withhold trust until it is EARNED.
Ox;
Thanks. I forgot I was not OMG about the x-spath as well…
BBE, glad you remembered….the thing is that we can be duped by the appearances of someone when we first meet them….and the BEST psychopaths are those that can wear the mask of “normal” upon meeting us.
CAUTION!
DOES ANYONE EVER THINK:
In those questioning moments, those moments of doubt, that maybe we are making a mistake not standing by them? Before you start whacking me with the skillet, Ox, just please hear me out: Does anyone ever think that maybe we have made a mistake about our “IT’s” by not sticking it out with them?
I think, all the time, that all they really want is what we can appreciate and perhaps if we try to ‘teach them appreciation’…
But, it’s kind of hard getting past the point that it has purposely tried to kill me. Do you guys ‘see’ where I am at?
I have no doubt that “IT” is a sick individual. I have no doubt that “IT” is the walking nemisis of very evil itself. I need to know how all of you came through this because my beliefs and my conscious has been battling me for a year now. It goes back and forth and back and forth. The whole time IGNORING MYSELF and WHAT I AM DEALING WITH.
Does anyone ever wonder this?
I had a psychologist a while back, maybe 6 years ago now, that called me a masochist and him a saddist and that he thought we were just perfect for one another and here, take these pills and come back next wednesday. that will be 40.00. WHAT?!
I don’t think so. Needless to say, they didn’t last long as my counselor. I AM NOT A MASOCHIST and although “IT” may be a saddist, I was certainly NOT sticking around to find out anymore. I saw and experienced ENOUGH.
Just interested in knowing how everyone else dealt with their conscious over this all. Has anyone else wrestled with this facet as I have? That uncertainty and indecisiveness?
“IT” said to me in parting: “Don’t say you love me anymore. You leave me with no life and no where else to go. That isn’t love.” Maybe “IT” was right. Maybe I am being selfish and self-centered by taking MY LIFE back.
Any thoughts? All most welcome.
Dupedster
Ox;
Obviously, the x-spath was a master of that but although I red flags, I did not understand sociopathy. When I was talking with this guy last night, I was actually looking for any signs.
With sociopaths, they are always there. More important, I am not in a “needy” state.
Dear Dupedster,
Yea, I was a masochist and you probably were too!!!!….I like that therapist, even if it did make you mad….we allowed the suffering that they imposed on us, so yea, we were masochistic. And I know for a fact that the “ITs” are sadistic FOR SURE.
But yes, I think we all (most anyway) thought if we just stood by them LONG ENOUGH they would “get it” and all would be well, they would be fixed and we would be HAPPY.
Didn’t work out as we thought though….just took longer to get to the HAPPY PART! And getting rid of them was necessary to the HAPPY PART!
Yea, BBE, I understand the “needy” part for sure. I was SO needy when my X BF hooked me, it was 8 months after my husband’s death.
No, Ox, I wasn’t. My soul was being tortured.
I was trapped between doing ‘right’ and ‘being selfish’.
I didn’t like that therapist at all. He acted like HE needed therapy; truthfully. Yes, we allowed it but out of the goodness of our hearts; that is a big/huge difference between being mashocistic and kind.
A lot of people mistake kindness for weakness in this life and that is sad because sometimes it takes a whole lot of strength to be kind.
Thanks for the response Ox. I hope you are having a good day.
I am trying to.
Dupedster
Dearest Dupedster – Hell YES I do – back and forth – up and down, over and over (Read about my dreams on the other thread)….I sum this up to the effect’s of a sociopath, because at first they were everything we ever wanted – perfect yet flawed, flawed just like me, yep we have some issues but together we can overcome them,,,hand in hand we will take all our bad mistakes and make something wonderful…..but how many times did I tell him to leave and beg him back- and visa versa—when I was non functional and 25 pounds underweight and in a fetal position on the floor ( literally) I had to make a choice – live or die – kill or be killed – it simply didnt matter if GOD himself placed this man before me to be my soulmate – he had to go…I could not go on – I could not be treated this way and I could not treat a human the way I had ended up treating him…I will go to my grave wondering wtf – but I do know that God or the Universe brought us together to teach ME a lesson…and damn it hurts so bad sometime- but I am so much better off with him gone……..so maybe he was the love of my life in my delusional mind…I am not so delusional anymore..