I recently had clinical contact with a client who left me with the unusually strong, immediate impression of “schemer,” “slick,” “full of crap.” He was instantly, aggressively ingratiating—less, I felt, from insecurity, as from ulterior motives, as if he were angling, at the outset, for an edge.
I had the uncomfortable feeling I get around intrusive salesmen who leave you feeling like an “object” from whom to extract a sale and commission.
I should mention that he was glib. Glibness is a trait often associated with certain sociopaths. My client was so glib, as a matter of fact, that for the first time in a long while the word “glib” actually popped into my head.
When I say “glib,” I don’t mean just fast-talking, which he was. He was shallow, too. And for me, the combination of smooth, fast talking, underlain by shallowness, really captures “glib.”
He was something of a schemer, and it was fascinating to observe him deny or dismiss rife evidence of his historical deceptiveness, abusiveness and double-standards. And he did so with a striking lack of shame, and with much audacity, along with irritation (arrogantly conveyed) to have to even deign to respond to the history.
Now I’d like to shift gears (abruptly), and say something about the psychopath’s (or sociopath’s) alleged “look,” or “stare,” which has been described anecdotally in the literature. Its most obvious form is characterized by a certain crazed intensity (note some of the existing photos of Ted Bundy, and other serial killers).
There are also, I suggest, other, subtler forms of this look. In any case what this “look” transmits (in any of its forms) is something elementally predatory. It has an evaluatively predatory quality.
I suspect that many of you have had the experience of being watched in this way?
It’s more than a feeling of being scrutinized, because all of us scrutinize each other, and clients should be scrutinizing their therapists.
It is more, I think, the quality, or motive, of the scrutiny—again, a predatory aspect that engenders the experience of feeling invaded, and “sized up,” “measured” for ulterior purposes.
At bottom, this is a type of “look” that leaves one feeling watched, studied as an “object.” One experiences the “watcher” as if he or she is calculating, “How much can I have my way with this person? How susceptible is this person to my present interests in him or her?”
My client had this “look.”
He was a “watcher,” and as he watched me, I often had the disconcerting sense that he was less interested in what I had to say, or what I was saying, than in using the time I was speaking to further his evaluation of my vulnerability.
This feeling with, experience of someone, can be a signal. It can signal that something predatory is brewing, or occurring.
I’ve called this the “feel” of a sociopath, because sociopaths sometimes (not always) can stir-up this sensation in those whose paths they’ve crossed, or lives they’ve entered. To be sure, not all sociopaths evoke this experience; but some do, and it can be an uncomfortable, and not easily articulated experience. Depending on the circumstances, it can even feel flatteringly seductive (if still uncomfortable).
Take, for instance, a blind/first-date scenario, in which the exploitative-minded individual approvingly, hungrily, invasively and audaciously sizes-up his date, leaving her feeling flattered (hungrily desired) while at the same time uneasy?
This “sizing up,” “measuring” process too often belies not a hunger for love, and connection, but of acquisition, possession and/or conquest.
(This article is copyrighted (c) 2009 by Steve Becker, LCSW.)
Ox, wow what a story. Just when I think I have been through a lot there is someone out there who has been through even more. I am glad he is doing better. I can’t believe they are out of jail.
Matt: Thanks for the free legal advice : ) My husband had agreed to take all of his debt but I just don’t know if he will change his mind after he hears about selling the property. The joint account is closed and thank God that is the only one we had together. You just wouldn’t believe the amount of student loans he has. I didn’t find out until he submitted his financials to the lawyer. Did you find a new position?
nic:
Thanks for asking. No luck yet, but the Fed’s have started to gear up their hiring, so I’m crossing my fingers.
Like you, I’m thanking God I broke it off with S before he got his hands on my rainy day fund. As it is, last week with my accountant I had to look at my AMEX and mastercard statements for 2008 and I was horrified at how much money I spent on S the first 10 months of the year.
Then I had to pull out my 2007 taxes tonight because the IRS notified me today I’m the winner of their “random compliance” audit. So, I looked at my 2007 AMEX year end statement and was shocked at how much I shelled out on him the last 5 m monts of 2007. What I wouldn’t give to have 10 cents back on every one of those dollars.
I’ve been giving your problem of your S’s student loans some thought. Did he start accruing that debt before you were married? If so, then maybe your attorney can argue that since he started is degree program BEFORE you were married, all the student loans including those that he incurred AFTER you were married are not marital debt since he they are attributable to an action he took (starting the degree) BEFORE you were married, and thus you had no part in his decision to either (a) pursue this degree or (b) incur all the debt related to his decision to pursue this degree. The argument is a little circuitous, I know, but it just might work. The judge might be inclined to say that since you had no part in his decision to go back to school, the decision to incur the debt isn’t yours.
Another thought — if you have been supporting him while he is in school, sue for part of his degree. A guy I went to law school with got divorced after his wife put him through law school. She sued for part of his degree. The judge gave her 10 percent. What this meant is that she had a lien on his earnings for 10 percent on a going-forward basis. The fact he stopped practicing law and went into a far less lucrative profession, journalism I believe (sorry Kathy and others) didn’t matter.
Going after his degree might give you some leverage over him — assuming that at some point in time he may be required to go to work.
Nasty, I know. But I’m a firm believer that to get rid of a sociopath, become a sociopath.
Wow Matt I am going to copy and paste that info. Yes he started that degree at a prestigious university years before we got married (he likes telling people where he is at school at). I like the second thought too about me suing for his degree but I hope I don’t have to go that route.
The killer part is that it has been taking him so long to complete his doctorate. A few months before he left us he told me that he was going to start working on his dissertation on Thursdays because he had class on Tuesdays. So months after he left I found out he was really spending his Thursdays at his mistresses house with their newborn. So he truly could have been finished with his degree a long time ago.
I feel better though knowing that it is not a lost cause. I do agree with the become a sociopath part. Thanks.
nic:
Lucky you. A professional stuent. Make sure that his student loan calculation is limited SOLELY to the time you were married.
Another thought — you mentioned that he earns more than double what you do. That implies to me that he is a part-time student. Since he is working, how in the name of hell is he getting student loans? Are you certain he is getting loans or is he just trying to bloat his debt level?
If I were your lawyer, I would ask him exactly what this money is going toward and prove that those debts exist. I know Sallie Mae’s website lists each loan, the amount disbursed and the date. If he is part-time and getting loans that seem all out of proportion to what he is paying the school, he could be commtting student loan fraud. If you can get proof of that, or even have a credible suspicion. I would threaten to go to Sallie Mae or whomever his lender is. That might give you some leverage.
I really identified with this article. I was one year out of a psycho relationship when I became roomates with a lady I had befriended. All of a sudden things seemed to go south with her. She had been telling elaborate stories about how grand she was, and I realized that it was not possible for all of these stories to be true. She suddenly became very critical and seemed to be very competitive and even started to berate my dear little kitty-kitty, just, I think to establish power and dominance over me. I didn’t like these things, but didn’t realize she was probably, at least an N until one day I was locking the door behind me, and she was waiting in the car for me. All of a sudden this feeling came over me like I was being sized-up, and not favorably, I might add. I had a sence of shame for no particular reason and realized how intimidated I felt. This was a very strong and creepy feeling, and I recognized at as similar to the way I felt twenty years ago in my first marrriage to an N. My Kitty-Kitty and I moved out a week later, with no backward glances. Btw, my Kittys name is Pinky-doodle. No kidding. LOL. Thanks for letting me share.
Ive seen that look.many many times.and it says many things…but I also see the contempt, the utter contempt for what is being said and by whom it is being said.
Yes this is no denying exactly what I felt w/ my S#2. The first time we met, after several weeks of online communication. I got in his car in a parking lot. Intense staring, which he covered by saying repeatedly he couldn’t help it because I was “so beautiful” and he couldn’t believe it. It was extremely uncomfortable at first, but I put it down to the whole situation as being scary (I’m married – very happily NOW). But he was definitely analyzing me, in a predatory manner. Towards the end of the “visit”, he declared me “perfect” in every way. “shudder” at least, now I can react that way about it. How textbook can you get? Sociopathetic.
Oh, and S#1 did it too, only in a different manner. He started playing “counselor” with me (complete gaslighting), but his stare was meant to tell me, “you are not in your right mind, you need to listen to me, I have all the knowledge and you know nothing”.
Dear Cutandrun,
The thing about “on line communication” is that someone can be absolutely “wonderful” on line, but are TOTALLY the opposite in person. It is much MUCH easier to FAKE being something when you are typing into a computer, or talking into a phone. There are too many Ps out there using on line dating services to scam others for all kinds of reasons.
Even meeting someone in person rather than on line is risky and we need to be CAUTIOUS with new people we meet, watch HOW THEY ACT, not just listen to wht they say.
VERIFY any stories that don’t “add up”—-I met a man over 10 years before my husband died, and we were casual friends for that time in my living history group. I thought he was a “nice” man and many people in my group who knew him also thought he was “great”—turns out, afetr I started dating him about 8 months after my husband died, at first it was WONDERFUL and put me on Cloud 9, but after 4 months things startred to “go south” and I spent that time crying but still seeing him, but I started (finally) putting stories together from others and also from things he told me, that made me finally realize, he was just looking for another “respectable” wife to CHEAT ON with a large number of women.
It hurt like heck to send him down the road but that is what I did, and took me a while longer to “get over him” and the pain, and disappointment at what I thought was going to be another wonderful caring man. My “needyness” from the grief of losing my husband set me up like a bulls eye target for the first P to come along and he just happened to be it.
I would still like to find another wonderful relationship but am not actively looking. If one falls in my lap fine, if not, I am fine without one, because I am at a point now that I am no longer NEEDY. I realize that one is a whole number, not just half of two. ONE IS OK!
Not sure where to put this…but like a fool I tried to reason with “it” earlier..wrote down what I felt, pointed out the iniquity of his behaviour, the unfairness and hurtfulness of it. I pointed out times where he has had room for complaint and how reasonably and fairly I have addressed his angst, how I have taken critism, not always fair and never constructive on the chinand then pointed out the way he acts when the shoe is on the other foot.
It was an utter waste of time and breathe and ended with him accusing me of stuff that was not only untrue but not even with any grounds or basis.
He is now on the silent treament again..God I hate him so much.
Muldoon here’s a great article about women who try to talk sense to a man
http://www.baggagereclaim.co.uk/women-who-talk-think-too-much-wasting-time-explaining-discussing-with-men-that-dont-want-to-listen/
It is the same site as the article I posted for you on a different thread here, but this is a different article.
Nothing wrong with hating him so much. In fact something would be terribly wrong if you didn’t.
It was hard for me…almost impossible for me, to stop trying to reason with and understand the P I was involved with. It is like watching a stock sink lower and lower and lower on the market and you feel like a fool when you finally sell it and have to admit how much you invested, how long you hoped and waited for it to even just go back up to where it was when you bought it, let alone it soaring in value, and that all this waiting has just meant more and more loss.
But at some point you do have to sell and move on. Lesson learned. That is where you are now and it is sooooo hard. I know, I know, I know.
But you can do it!