Sarah, the thing is the victim must be EDUCATED in order to know what the heck they are dealing with….that’s part of the problem. The “experts” who have just studied it but not dealt with it, don’t get it, but the poor victim doens’t “get it” either unless they are educated about what they are dealing with. It is a catch 22.
Ox Drover
12 years ago
Thanks, Sky for the links. Interesting. I know in breeding rabbits sometimes there will be a baby that is absorbed, or even one that will sort of “mummify” in the uterus (they have a bifurcated uterus) and so the momma rabbit will not have babies because she thinks she’s preg and so won’t ovulate. When I’d get one like that and kill her because she was non productive, I’d find one of those mummified fetuses in there. Not sure if it happens with other critters though.
Sarah999
12 years ago
Yes ox drover…you’re absolutely right. Victims now are more fortunate, at least, because there is a lot more information (and validation), on sites likes these, and books about bullying and psychopaths…that didn’t exist 30-40 years ago. There is still no book about a normal parent trying to raise a psychopathic child! This is a remnant of the past (incorrect thinking) when all children were thought of as “blank slates” and parents were blamed if their child was a bully…a liar..manipulative…had rage attacks..no conscience etc.
Sarah999
12 years ago
Plus.. I think there should be a BIG push to EDUCATE children about abuse, bullying, psychopathy etc in schools..starting in kindergarten..and through high school..with age appropriate videos and role playing.
behind_blue_eyes
12 years ago
Left handedness, autism, ADHD, dyslexia and homosexuality are correlated. And all are more common in males than females, as is sociopathy.
skylar
12 years ago
And all are related to testosterone in the womb?
Reading the comments about the “surviving twin” theory, many of these people say that they had imaginary friends for a long long time.
My spath said, as a kid, he had an imaginary friend named Germany.
Ox Drover
12 years ago
I had an imaginary friend named “Military” and a pet pig named “tissue” LOL Not sure why I picked those words but I liked the sound of them I guess.
BBE–Yes, I have heard the testosterone levels in the womb are related to lots of things, including the ones you named. Interesting. There has been some studies done when it was necessary for other reasons to take samples, but ethics don’t allow samples to be taken for study ONLY as there is always a chance the sampling will cause abortion of the fetus.
Oh, BTW I read an article the other day that says that in certain areas dyslexia actually conveys a benefit. The person can’t see the specific, but they have a wider range in over all views of things…like in engineering etc. I have a friend who is dyslexic and he is an engineer.
behind_blue_eyes
12 years ago
Ox;
I agree with benefits to certain “disorders.” I am not dyslexic nor suffer clinical ADHD but on the continuum probably have an attention deficit greater than normal. My college entrance exams reflect this, as on the ACT, which test broad knowledge, I was in the 95th percentile while on the SAT I was only in the 80th percentile. Thus, my knowledge is broad but not deep. I was never a good programmer (takes too much attention) but when managing technical people my skill was organizational and the ability to see the big picture.
I have a friend for nominally is very intelligent but also has Asperger’s. Until I learned his, I found him at times very difficult, especially in any intellectual discussion, as his focus was always on the trivial while mine on the most pertinent.
My theory for ADHD is that having an attention deficit would be a strong advantage for surviving in the wild. I see much of this at play when I am out bicycling with my friends. I typically “see” more than most of them. I also navigate better than most and I am a safer rider because of my alertness.
Here is another interesting pair of correlated traits: those with very good aerobic conditioning as have high spatial awareness. In the wild, aerobic conditioning is a strong survival advantage and in the days before maps, so was spatial awareness. Thus, those with a combination of both would be more likely to survive. There is also evidence to suggest that aerobic exercise itself increases spatial awareness and alertness, as when running or cycling the mind needs to process information faster.
Ox Drover
12 years ago
ADHD runs in my P sperm donor’s family and is also associated with psychopathy, as is Bi-polar, left handedness and substance abuse. Got the substance abuse on egg donor’s side. I’m somewhat hyper, but not at all inclined toward substance abuse. Son C is very hyper, but very bright too, in 99% -tile on ACT but dropped out of HS, took GED and went directly to college at 16…ended up going to technical school and is a machinist/tool and die maker which requires EXCELLENT concentration. He is also very addicted to video games which he is very good at. I understand that ADHD kids are (he isn’t a kid but you get the idea). He’s an excellent and reliable employee. I’ve wondered if he may be a bit Asperger’s, but if so, not much.
Being very interested in genetics and having a fairly good family history, medically as well as good stories about who did what to whom, it is interesting to me how it all unfolded. I’ve seen genetics in temperment in cattle, dogs, horses, and people and it amazes me no end.
behind_blue_eyes
12 years ago
Ox;
Right, many with attention deficit disorders seem to have the ability to focus on one interest and typically only one interest. This is certainly a defining trait of Asperger’s.
My interest, being gay, is how all these highly correlate to the gay “community” and my growing belief that among male homosexuals exists a much higher incidence of sociopathy than in the general population, for the very same reason there is higher autism, left-handeness, etc… — high womb testosterone.
I mentioned once before that HIV seroconversion seems to support this theory. 50% of seroconversions are due to accidents or lapses in safer-sex behavior amongst those who generally practice safer sex. The other 50% are among those who repeatedly engage in unsafe sex despite the obvious risk. I saw a study that amongst those who are HIV+, at least 1/3 are sociopaths.
Sarah, the thing is the victim must be EDUCATED in order to know what the heck they are dealing with….that’s part of the problem. The “experts” who have just studied it but not dealt with it, don’t get it, but the poor victim doens’t “get it” either unless they are educated about what they are dealing with. It is a catch 22.
Thanks, Sky for the links. Interesting. I know in breeding rabbits sometimes there will be a baby that is absorbed, or even one that will sort of “mummify” in the uterus (they have a bifurcated uterus) and so the momma rabbit will not have babies because she thinks she’s preg and so won’t ovulate. When I’d get one like that and kill her because she was non productive, I’d find one of those mummified fetuses in there. Not sure if it happens with other critters though.
Yes ox drover…you’re absolutely right. Victims now are more fortunate, at least, because there is a lot more information (and validation), on sites likes these, and books about bullying and psychopaths…that didn’t exist 30-40 years ago. There is still no book about a normal parent trying to raise a psychopathic child! This is a remnant of the past (incorrect thinking) when all children were thought of as “blank slates” and parents were blamed if their child was a bully…a liar..manipulative…had rage attacks..no conscience etc.
Plus.. I think there should be a BIG push to EDUCATE children about abuse, bullying, psychopathy etc in schools..starting in kindergarten..and through high school..with age appropriate videos and role playing.
Left handedness, autism, ADHD, dyslexia and homosexuality are correlated. And all are more common in males than females, as is sociopathy.
And all are related to testosterone in the womb?
Reading the comments about the “surviving twin” theory, many of these people say that they had imaginary friends for a long long time.
My spath said, as a kid, he had an imaginary friend named Germany.
I had an imaginary friend named “Military” and a pet pig named “tissue” LOL Not sure why I picked those words but I liked the sound of them I guess.
BBE–Yes, I have heard the testosterone levels in the womb are related to lots of things, including the ones you named. Interesting. There has been some studies done when it was necessary for other reasons to take samples, but ethics don’t allow samples to be taken for study ONLY as there is always a chance the sampling will cause abortion of the fetus.
Oh, BTW I read an article the other day that says that in certain areas dyslexia actually conveys a benefit. The person can’t see the specific, but they have a wider range in over all views of things…like in engineering etc. I have a friend who is dyslexic and he is an engineer.
Ox;
I agree with benefits to certain “disorders.” I am not dyslexic nor suffer clinical ADHD but on the continuum probably have an attention deficit greater than normal. My college entrance exams reflect this, as on the ACT, which test broad knowledge, I was in the 95th percentile while on the SAT I was only in the 80th percentile. Thus, my knowledge is broad but not deep. I was never a good programmer (takes too much attention) but when managing technical people my skill was organizational and the ability to see the big picture.
I have a friend for nominally is very intelligent but also has Asperger’s. Until I learned his, I found him at times very difficult, especially in any intellectual discussion, as his focus was always on the trivial while mine on the most pertinent.
My theory for ADHD is that having an attention deficit would be a strong advantage for surviving in the wild. I see much of this at play when I am out bicycling with my friends. I typically “see” more than most of them. I also navigate better than most and I am a safer rider because of my alertness.
Here is another interesting pair of correlated traits: those with very good aerobic conditioning as have high spatial awareness. In the wild, aerobic conditioning is a strong survival advantage and in the days before maps, so was spatial awareness. Thus, those with a combination of both would be more likely to survive. There is also evidence to suggest that aerobic exercise itself increases spatial awareness and alertness, as when running or cycling the mind needs to process information faster.
ADHD runs in my P sperm donor’s family and is also associated with psychopathy, as is Bi-polar, left handedness and substance abuse. Got the substance abuse on egg donor’s side. I’m somewhat hyper, but not at all inclined toward substance abuse. Son C is very hyper, but very bright too, in 99% -tile on ACT but dropped out of HS, took GED and went directly to college at 16…ended up going to technical school and is a machinist/tool and die maker which requires EXCELLENT concentration. He is also very addicted to video games which he is very good at. I understand that ADHD kids are (he isn’t a kid but you get the idea). He’s an excellent and reliable employee. I’ve wondered if he may be a bit Asperger’s, but if so, not much.
Being very interested in genetics and having a fairly good family history, medically as well as good stories about who did what to whom, it is interesting to me how it all unfolded. I’ve seen genetics in temperment in cattle, dogs, horses, and people and it amazes me no end.
Ox;
Right, many with attention deficit disorders seem to have the ability to focus on one interest and typically only one interest. This is certainly a defining trait of Asperger’s.
My interest, being gay, is how all these highly correlate to the gay “community” and my growing belief that among male homosexuals exists a much higher incidence of sociopathy than in the general population, for the very same reason there is higher autism, left-handeness, etc… — high womb testosterone.
I mentioned once before that HIV seroconversion seems to support this theory. 50% of seroconversions are due to accidents or lapses in safer-sex behavior amongst those who generally practice safer sex. The other 50% are among those who repeatedly engage in unsafe sex despite the obvious risk. I saw a study that amongst those who are HIV+, at least 1/3 are sociopaths.