By Ox Drover
I was led to believe as a child that we should “love unconditionally” and that we should “forgive unconditionally.” This was the rule around our house. I did start to notice, though, that while I was to apply this “unconditional forgiveness and love” to others, those same people did not always apply it to me.
When my children were born, I felt the first real and true “unconditional” love I had ever felt for anyone. I would gaze into the crib and watch my child sleep, little fists curled up, ten perfect little fingers with ten perfect little finger nails. The warmth of this truly “unconditional” love swept through my heart and made my eyes tear up with joy.
Even when my two-year-old son poured a full box of fish food into the aquarium and I had to clean it out and change the water the second time in a week, I did not stop loving him or hold a grudge against him for his behavior. I took the responsibility for his actions because I had left the fish food where he could reach it, and he didn’t know any better. I laughed as I cleaned out the aquarium that I would be so dumb to leave it where he could reach it a second time.
As my children grew and became more independent and self motivated teenagers, I would occasionally become quite frustrated and even angry with them for some of their behavior, especially defiant behavior, but it never dawned on me to not forgive them, or to hold a grudge or to stop loving them, no matter what they did, or even to fear them. I had no concept at that time, that one of my children might actually wish in a long term continuing way to do me harm. My love for them was, I thought, absolutely “unconditional.” Just as my love for my mother, I thought, was unconditional. No matter how angry I got, I knew that I loved her and no matter what she did that upset me or hurt me, it never dawned on me that I could ever stop loving her or that the things she did actually came from a deep down desire to control me, even if this resulted in my harm.
Though there was somehow a difference in how I was required to give her “unconditional forgiveness” and forget about anything she had ever done to me, while she would frequently and critically remind me of things I did as a defiant teenager, I still believed I loved her unconditionally, just like I loved my kids unconditionally, no matter what they did or said.
Throughout many years I held on to this belief, which, I am finding out now, is a fantasy. There are behaviors so heinous that I can no longer love someone. So, in truth, my love for my mother and even my love for my children is not truly “unconditional.” In truth, forgiveness does not include trust and a resumption of a relationship with that person if what they have done is so heinous that you fear them.
I realized that fearing a person precluded me from actually loving them. When you love someone you trust them. When you don’t trust someone, you can’t really love them. WOW! What a revelation for me! If I am afraid of a person, I cannot truly love them. I can be angry with someone I love, I can even be furious with someone I love. If I am afraid of a person, can’t trust them not to hurt me intentionally, how can I love that person at the same time? For me, it was impossible.
I might love the “fantasy” of them, but not the actual scary person that is the real them. When I realized, finally, that my psychopathic son wanted me dead and I began to be afraid of him, I realized the man sitting in a prison cell was truly evil, malicious and dangerous. I also realized I was a fool if I did not take the threat seriously. Then the “love” I had felt, that I had believed was truly unconditional, seeped out, and one day I realized it was gone.
My other biological son, who was at that same time married to a psychopath himself, had distanced himself from me, disappointed me, and to some extent devalued me, which saddened me, but I still loved him ”¦ because I was not afraid of him. In spite of everything, I realized he would not ever deliberately hurt me, or want to deliberately hurt me. Yet, I realized that if he became dangerous to me, or I started to fear him as well, that I would not be able to continue to love him either.
When my “good” son’s wife (now ex-wife) tried to kill him after he found out about the affair she was having with a psychopath, his “unconditional” love for her also evaporated. He started to realize that she was dangerous. Before the attack on my son with a gun by her and her boyfriend, my son had found out about the affair and offered to “go to counseling” and to “work it out” with her. He loved her, and her affair was not something that made him afraid of her. It was only his fear of her after the attempted murder that made him able to detach from his love from her. His love that he had thought was unconditional, his commitment to the marriage that he thought was total, was destroyed by the fear for his life.
I had always thought my loyalty and commitment to my family members and friends was total and unconditional. When I started to experience true fear of some of these people, it made me realize that the only unconditional love in the universe is God’s. The Bible tells me to “love” my enemies and pray for them, but the “love” commanded in the Bible is not the feeling, in my opinion, that we normally call, in English, “love.” The “love” commanded for our enemies means to do “good to them” rather than seek revenge, but it has nothing to do with the “love” we feel, that “squishy” feeling I had leaning over my infant’s crib. It was not that loving commitment to my child that meant I would have thrown my body in front of an attacker, freely giving my life to save my child.
On a thread on Lovefraud some time back, a blogger (whose name I no longer remember) wrote that it is noble of us to throw ourselves in front of a bus to save our loved one, but not when the bus is being driven by the psychopath we are trying to save! I can’t think of a better analogy that this one.
In the end, I realized that no healthy love is truly “unconditional.” I also realized that boundaries are healthy, and that I needed to learn to set boundaries. I needed to protect myself from attacks, and that my fear or distrust of someone precludes me from having a relationship with that person. Fear precludes me from loving them.
For most of my life I tried to live up to the fantasy of “unconditional love” for those in my family, even those in my family who were psychopaths. It never felt right to me, but at the same time, I was committed to this stance because it was what I thought was “normal” and “expected.” When my family devalued me, when the “unconditional” love from them depended on controlling me, using me, abusing me, and then instilling fear into me, I finally “saw the light.” I realize now that real love is kind, love is caring, love is respectful, love is many good things, but it is never about control, never about punishment, never about deliberately inflicting pain or fear. Healthy love is never completely “unconditional.”
OxDrover,
Beautiful clarification. Since only God’s love is unconditional, I, as a Christian, can turn this P over to Him, and move on with my life, using the time I spent on this “Addictive Idol” to allow God to heal me and then move on to use my New Life to be helpful to others in a healthy way.
I realize that by camping out in anger, I am inadvertantly finding a way to hold on to the P w/out entirely letting go. I felt the anger for as long as I needed to, which for me was 3 weeks, and then moved on to allow God to lead me on the new path of joy and peace. The drama is over.
Yes, there is still the feeling of trauma occassionally, and when it comes I allow myself to feel it and process it.
I, too, was taught to forgive, but who I needed to forgive was myself for not having the knowledge of boundaries to protect myself from danger. As I look back, I can still remember the night I met him, the check in my spirit, but I didn’t know how to listen to it. I was so relieved to have someone so handsome pay attention to me. My ego took over, and the rest is history.
I do know there are gifts in the pain – in God’s economy nothing is wasted. I am wiser now, and learning to have a relationship with Sally. I have learned to listen to my gut. Sometimes it just says wait – like I have a letter I received from husband # 2 – I’m “sitting” on it. I have prayed for clarity as to what to do, and am doing nothing right now. There is no urgency to force solutions.
My son is living with me for a few more days. Last night his dad called him. He was in his bedroom on his cell, and when I realized who it was, I very calmly and quietly closed the bedroom door. I went back to the comedy on T.V., and was able to laugh out loud at what I was enjoying instead of trying to catch every drop of what was being said. I felt whole and free. What a miracle!!
Thanks so much, OxDrover, for the time you dedicate to assist in the healing of the wounded ones. I so appreciate how you have used your pain to help heal all of us.
Love is not about control, pain, and fear. That should be a mantra to us here. Actions speak louder than words. If something makes your gut clench or your skin crawl or the hairs stand up on the back of your neck, Maybe you should listen to your body and run. Several good friends in the past week have all said that my mind is brilliant but my heart is very stupid! Thanks lovefraud professors for giving me a much needed education in matters of the heart and self protection. I only wish that I had listened sooner before an innocent child was dragged across the US to become part of this mess. But ultimately, I have to believe that God is in control and that where ever we are whatever we are doing or enduring is exactly where we are supposed to be until our life lesson is learned.
Oxy
Well said….Something I am still struggling with.
Two years ago when I saw the troubling personality traits in my son unfolding in puberty I had this HUGE FEAR FOR him. A deeper fear than I have ever known, EVER. Instictively I knew even when the troubles began that this was something “bigger” than any challenges I had ever faced. A voice inside of me kept saying OMG, OMG, OMG.
Things escalated quickly. In 2 short years the road has been very difficult. I did what I think most parents would do under the circumstances and became my childs advocate…..For mental health care, agencies, school teachers/officials, court petitions….Trying to get help. To intervine.
Today I feel like I live in a nightmare.
At the end of the day, what I have tried to do….None of it seems to matter.
It is still him and I. He is an out of control 16 year old with several issues going on and I am still his mother who hasn’t found the way to deal with what is in front of me.
The unconditional love that I started this journey is being challenged everyday. BECAUSE one thing has changed.
FEAR. I started this journey with fear in my heart FOR HIM.
Now I also FEAR OF HIM.
It is the most UN-NATURAL feeling I have ever felt. It goes against nature of the parent/child relationship and it goes against unconditional love.
Witsend, So sorry for what you are experiencing. Sending you a giant enveloping cyber hug and my prayers and best wishes are with you.
Oxy, thanks for the wonderful article and the great point. Love and fear are mutually exclusive.
That’s what did it for me with my ex. My survival instinct finally got some air time over the emotional noise of the addictive need for him to fix the pain he was creating. It said, stop it. Get out of it now. No matter what you promised, how great he used to be, what kind of person you are, or anything. Get out with whatever you can save of who you are and what you own, because the future isn’t going to get better.
Once, a long time ago, when I was complaining about someone to a therapist, she asked me, “Well, what can you trust about him?” I said, not much. She said, no really, what can you trust he will do? I said, I can trust that he’ll do short-sighted, self-destructive things and I can trust that he doesn’t have or want a clue about how I feel.”
Great, she smiled at me. Now, there will be no surprises.
Welcome everyone! It is becoming very difficult to keep up with everyone and the converstions going on! AND that is a wonderfull Thing because that means that the information is getting out to alot of folks ! And that means Alot of Healing is going On!
OxD your #2 cause I havta Put Mrs Anderson at The #1 spot! And I cannot Thank Her enough for LF! Could we start a list of SURVIVORS? Patrons of The Cause! I know I have earned my masters in this field! The Pain and tortue and long suffering, The Hours of reaserch, The hours of reading! It has all been worth every second! Thank You each and everyone I don’t think I would have made it , If it where not for the Love and Kindness and understanding of a group of people like yourselves! Peace
Thanks, guys.
Witsend, because I am ACCUSTOMED to doing what I think is RIGHT, even if I am SCARED CHITLESS, which believe, I know you KNOW HOW SCARED CHITLESS I WAS—at the time my son was 16-17 I was TERRIFIED my worst night mare would come true and my son would ruin his life, I felt I HAD to find SOME WAY to “fix” him….make him care what he was doing, see what he was doing, and like you—THERE WAS NOTHING I COULD DO. I hit road block after road block, and if it looked like I had found something, HE WOULD RUIN IT, GET WORSE.
Even after he was arrested for murder in 1991, at age 20, I still hoped there was something that could “fix” him….his life that HE HAD MADE WITH HIS TWO LITTLE HANDS AND HIS SELF DETERMINATION.
It was difficult for me to accept that I CANNOT CONTROL OTHERS. I can suggest, I can sanction, I can praise or I can punish, but I can NOT CONTROL. If someone is deterimined to do what they are determined to do and will not be swayed by CARING WHAT YOU THINK OR FEEL then you have NO CHOICE BUT TO ACCEPT THAT YOU CANNOT MOTIVATE THEM AGAINST THEIR WILL.
Finally FEAR, genuine fear for my life, made me realize that my “fears” and “concern” and even my “love” for him were FUTILE. Eventually, fear OF him overcame my love FOR him.
I know that is difficult to digest, and it sits pretty heavy on our stomachs even after we have swallowed it. God bless you in your journey. (((hugs)))
Victor,
I think we posted over each other, so I didn’t see your post until now. Thank you so much for your commendation as me being “#2” to Donna, but let me tell you, and I am not just “being humble” either, as John the Baptist said about Jesus, “I am not worthy to untie his shoes” and I feel that way sincerely about Donna! Her ability and work to put LF together is something I would never even have thought about much less been able to do, and LF is what has BEEN THERE for all of us. I really think I owe my sanity if not my very life to LF, and to Donna. If I can “pass on” some of the thoughts, insights, and knowledge that I got from HERE, to people who are just starting on this terrible rough road to healing, I think it is little enough to do to invest my time in it.
Many of us here at LF have been SO very blessed by being here for a while so that we can get our feet back under us, and if we don’t, of ALL PEOPLE, have compassion and caring to reach out to others who are later to get on the road that is so difficult, so painful, how on God’s green earth could we TAKE and NOT GIVE BACK to the extent of our abilities?
I’m a LONG way from being the Oxy that I WANT TO BE, as wise as I want to be, as strong as I want to be, and I know that I have my “blind spots” just as others do. I am not willing to QUIT and think that “every thing is lovely, I’m safe, I’m healed” because EVERY BLASTED TIME I have done that in the past, a NEW PSYCHOPATH reared his or her ugly head to bite me in the ARSE!
I am finally, I think, getting to the point in this journey that I can SEE that it is a journey and that I must never ever get so complacent that I think I am 100% safe, or that I know everything there is to know about psychpaths or about myself! The ONLY time I DID “know everything” was when I was a teenager, since then I have continually gotten to where I realize that I not only don’t know all the ANSWERS, I don’t even know all the flipping QUESTIONS!!! LOL (((hugs))) and thanks again!.
Oxy,
This is all difficult to digest when it is your child in question.
It makes many of the hard choices that I have made in my lifetime trivial by comparison.
I have changed so much since this initially began. What I thought important in the begining of his sophmore year, such as keep him in school, seems almost trivial, where we are at at now. He goes to school but doesn’t perform there. He sleeps. School right now almost seems to be the least of his problems.
I have a hard time with certain things. Dealing with some of these people just ZAPS the energy right out of me. Like today,
This “high risk” counscelor (at school) when she called among other things said I had to get him to take his medication. And I asked her how am I suppose to do that? HE REFUSES.
Shove it down his throat? LADY YOU COME HERE AND HOLD HIM DOWN and I will shove it down his throat. Is what I thought to myself. And I’m pretty sure even then he would spit them into my face.
HER JOB, she told me this, I ain’t judging…Is to find MOTIVATION to help “at risk” (failing) kids to get better grades. She admitted to me how unmotivated he was. That he simply does NOT care that he is flunking. So she is not “going there” with him right now because he REFUSES.
She is a doctor. She has letters after her name. She had a practice. Yet SHE CAN’T do her job of motivating him to do better at school (I UNDERSTAND THIS PERFECTLY because I live with him)
YET, she throws it back into my lap of I have to get him to take his meds. He is not MOTIVATED to take them anymore than he is motivated to participate at school. He has NOTHING wrong with him in HIS opinion to take medications.
Why can’t she understand that if she can’t do her job and she is a DOCTOR, I am less qualified than she is…..I have already admitted I can’t get him to do anything.
If I was effectively parenting my son he wouldn’t be in her OFFICE TO BEGIN WITH!!! I (or someone before her ) would have already motivated him to do better. She is like the “last ditch” effort the school takes with these kids.
I know in my heart that there comes the time when I will just have to let him go. There are days, more and more now, where that day of letting him go (and I mean GO as in OUT the door) seems MUCH sooner than later. I can’t continue to live like this. Letting him go at 16 isn’t easy…So I am still trying to get him help.
The first time he DOES DO what the court system, mental health system and everyone else seems to deem necessary for him to be “eligible for REAL help” is break the law or get busted for something. Right now at 16 years old they are going to call (guess who) me, when he does break the law.
I have been calling” THEM” for months now with no avail. But I get the distinct feeling that this could change. If intervention doesn’t happen I will be getting the call from them. The TABLES will turn.
Right now my option is to live with him or kick him out. At 16 I don’t see kicking him out as an option. (YET) I have appealed to the juvenile courts for the incorrigibility. They declined him a probation officer or a detention stay because AGAIN he hasn’t broken the law or run away from home. I recieved this call today.
So for now it is what it is. He is still eligible for the program for kids & parents. Parenting with Love & Limits. If I can get him to attend, at least it’s something….It’s going to be a LONG summer.
Dear Oxy, thank you so much! Very beautifully put as always about love and fear and how they are connected and what we can do about it. I can so relate to it, having been shame- and fearful my whole life in the one or other form, and constantly trying to “overcome” it by putting me in horrendous situations where NORMALLY people are having BIG fears. (telling people they are going to die of cancer for instance, doing CPR, being in the ER). I had always feared my mother (N) and my father (P) not knowing why, since I was a little girl, and wanted to overcome this, I guess. Now I start “getting it” in this respect. I am most greatful to all of you great people at LF!
I also can relate to Good Grief; it is now about a year ago I was breaking free from “my” X, and I was constantly on a daily basis calling my sister instead of calling HIM. (we called this phone calls “lovesick anonymous helpline”). It lasted a month, which should be over in a few days for good grief. Obsessing helps! It is getting boring after long ruminating, as the chewing gum loses its flavor. At least as long you stay NC! Don’t put in a new Chewing gum by making any attempt of contact. It is NOT helpful! (I have been there two times after NC for 5 months each. The contacts ripped off all the healing and I got to dress fresh wounds in my soul al over again.) But I already can sense some dawn between the lines in your posts, Good Grief. Take care!