By Ox Drover
I was led to believe as a child that we should “love unconditionally” and that we should “forgive unconditionally.” This was the rule around our house. I did start to notice, though, that while I was to apply this “unconditional forgiveness and love” to others, those same people did not always apply it to me.
When my children were born, I felt the first real and true “unconditional” love I had ever felt for anyone. I would gaze into the crib and watch my child sleep, little fists curled up, ten perfect little fingers with ten perfect little finger nails. The warmth of this truly “unconditional” love swept through my heart and made my eyes tear up with joy.
Even when my two-year-old son poured a full box of fish food into the aquarium and I had to clean it out and change the water the second time in a week, I did not stop loving him or hold a grudge against him for his behavior. I took the responsibility for his actions because I had left the fish food where he could reach it, and he didn’t know any better. I laughed as I cleaned out the aquarium that I would be so dumb to leave it where he could reach it a second time.
As my children grew and became more independent and self motivated teenagers, I would occasionally become quite frustrated and even angry with them for some of their behavior, especially defiant behavior, but it never dawned on me to not forgive them, or to hold a grudge or to stop loving them, no matter what they did, or even to fear them. I had no concept at that time, that one of my children might actually wish in a long term continuing way to do me harm. My love for them was, I thought, absolutely “unconditional.” Just as my love for my mother, I thought, was unconditional. No matter how angry I got, I knew that I loved her and no matter what she did that upset me or hurt me, it never dawned on me that I could ever stop loving her or that the things she did actually came from a deep down desire to control me, even if this resulted in my harm.
Though there was somehow a difference in how I was required to give her “unconditional forgiveness” and forget about anything she had ever done to me, while she would frequently and critically remind me of things I did as a defiant teenager, I still believed I loved her unconditionally, just like I loved my kids unconditionally, no matter what they did or said.
Throughout many years I held on to this belief, which, I am finding out now, is a fantasy. There are behaviors so heinous that I can no longer love someone. So, in truth, my love for my mother and even my love for my children is not truly “unconditional.” In truth, forgiveness does not include trust and a resumption of a relationship with that person if what they have done is so heinous that you fear them.
I realized that fearing a person precluded me from actually loving them. When you love someone you trust them. When you don’t trust someone, you can’t really love them. WOW! What a revelation for me! If I am afraid of a person, I cannot truly love them. I can be angry with someone I love, I can even be furious with someone I love. If I am afraid of a person, can’t trust them not to hurt me intentionally, how can I love that person at the same time? For me, it was impossible.
I might love the “fantasy” of them, but not the actual scary person that is the real them. When I realized, finally, that my psychopathic son wanted me dead and I began to be afraid of him, I realized the man sitting in a prison cell was truly evil, malicious and dangerous. I also realized I was a fool if I did not take the threat seriously. Then the “love” I had felt, that I had believed was truly unconditional, seeped out, and one day I realized it was gone.
My other biological son, who was at that same time married to a psychopath himself, had distanced himself from me, disappointed me, and to some extent devalued me, which saddened me, but I still loved him ”¦ because I was not afraid of him. In spite of everything, I realized he would not ever deliberately hurt me, or want to deliberately hurt me. Yet, I realized that if he became dangerous to me, or I started to fear him as well, that I would not be able to continue to love him either.
When my “good” son’s wife (now ex-wife) tried to kill him after he found out about the affair she was having with a psychopath, his “unconditional” love for her also evaporated. He started to realize that she was dangerous. Before the attack on my son with a gun by her and her boyfriend, my son had found out about the affair and offered to “go to counseling” and to “work it out” with her. He loved her, and her affair was not something that made him afraid of her. It was only his fear of her after the attempted murder that made him able to detach from his love from her. His love that he had thought was unconditional, his commitment to the marriage that he thought was total, was destroyed by the fear for his life.
I had always thought my loyalty and commitment to my family members and friends was total and unconditional. When I started to experience true fear of some of these people, it made me realize that the only unconditional love in the universe is God’s. The Bible tells me to “love” my enemies and pray for them, but the “love” commanded in the Bible is not the feeling, in my opinion, that we normally call, in English, “love.” The “love” commanded for our enemies means to do “good to them” rather than seek revenge, but it has nothing to do with the “love” we feel, that “squishy” feeling I had leaning over my infant’s crib. It was not that loving commitment to my child that meant I would have thrown my body in front of an attacker, freely giving my life to save my child.
On a thread on Lovefraud some time back, a blogger (whose name I no longer remember) wrote that it is noble of us to throw ourselves in front of a bus to save our loved one, but not when the bus is being driven by the psychopath we are trying to save! I can’t think of a better analogy that this one.
In the end, I realized that no healthy love is truly “unconditional.” I also realized that boundaries are healthy, and that I needed to learn to set boundaries. I needed to protect myself from attacks, and that my fear or distrust of someone precludes me from having a relationship with that person. Fear precludes me from loving them.
For most of my life I tried to live up to the fantasy of “unconditional love” for those in my family, even those in my family who were psychopaths. It never felt right to me, but at the same time, I was committed to this stance because it was what I thought was “normal” and “expected.” When my family devalued me, when the “unconditional” love from them depended on controlling me, using me, abusing me, and then instilling fear into me, I finally “saw the light.” I realize now that real love is kind, love is caring, love is respectful, love is many good things, but it is never about control, never about punishment, never about deliberately inflicting pain or fear. Healthy love is never completely “unconditional.”
Dearest Oxy,
So very well said! Because I have not had the experiences youve had, the level, the sheer disregard for my life by a family member, and fear of god within me, its hard for me to “go there”…
You know my situation with my mom, such a MUCH DIFFERENT experience, so perhaps thats where I find the presence of unconditional love being possible on a much different level….
I believe with all of my heart that sexually abused victims, and victims of heinous crimes and attempts on their lives and just so much victimization in ones life by a family member or spouse enables one to draw the line with giving/having unconditional love…And if i ever embarked upon “fear” from a family member or sexual abuse or physical abuse may ability to give my UNCONDITIONAL LOVE WOULD STOP THERE…THERE ARE BOUNDARIES WITH THAT TYPE OF LOVE TOO…
I have a lot of confusion with what I call the ability to love with understanding from a distance….from a place of separation…and never being together again…never seeing that person again…(but solely for my own healing purpose I can find a peaceful place that says love exists in general for the greater cause of my personal internal peace -BUT NOT FOR THAT PERSON TO BE IN MY LIFE OR A PART OF MY LIFE – due to mental illness, or bad choices, or evil ways)
Oh my, I hope this is being expressed with the intention I am trying for it to be… I have not walked in path of FEAR for my life, or violation of my being physically…so I am unable to speak from that perspective…
For me personally, I feel a form of unconditional love is attainable on so many levels in my life…up to an including having to leave a persons life or protect mine. It gives me a sense of peace once Ive made the choice to not be in the presence of someones toxic ways, to have an ability to say my form of unconditional love means I protect myself while accepting you cannot be in my life, a part of my life any longer…
OxDrover:
Thankyou from the bottom of my heart for yet another truly brilliant explanation of “unconditional love”. I wholeheartedly agree with everything you said and I still believe that God sent you as my angel of Grace.
You will be happy to know that when I woke this morning, (its 7.00 am), all my revenge thoughts for the ex P had subsided. I used to say that they had vanished, but I know now, that they will return at an unexpected moment. This time they returned intensely for three full days and nights.
It was only that I could express the rage and resentments and joke about them (in a serious way) and identify with other survivors that I could process it all so quickly. At no time would I have driven over to his whereabouts to kill him or hurt him. But I was serious in my “future planning”. i.e. as “serious” as one can be when you are telling everyone in sight and on the worldwide internet of your feelings of homicidal rage. Matt helped me a lot by pointing out that the only thing that would hurt my ex P in truth, would for him to be financially destitute. Once I realised that that was the truth I could let it go.
Last night I dreamt (it seemed to go all night as I kept waking up), that I told my daughter everything I thought and felt about her. I was yelling at her, which I never do in real life. In the dream she just kept putting the ipod in her ears and trying to turn my youngest against me. She was fairly successful in the dream, of turning him against me. I woke up exhausted because the dream seemed to go on and on for the whole night.
I have been trying not to deal with her in my mind and feelings. I don’t feel revenge towards her because I am more afraid of what she will do in the future, and because I too did the “unconditional love thing” with my children.
I always did it with my children and my intimate partner. I stopped doing it to my mother when she sat in her wheelchair one day, when I was about fouty, in front of me yelling, “help help, shes trying to rob me! “and rocking her wheelchair trying to tip it up.She was having trouble controlling me, trying to make me stay for the day to do whatever she wanted me to again. When people came running, I left. I knew she would carry the act/story on to its bitter end as I had seen similar acts a million times in my life, (usually acted out to enrage my father against me). I didn’t return for ten years as I feared her trying to set me up.
I had stopped loving my father when he used to bash me badly as a child. But my mother had me completely guilty and enmeshed from 5 years on. Although everynight from five years old until when I left home I payed for her death.
I stopped loving my violent psychopath husband (of 14 years) after he tried to murder me. He tried to murder me because I found out he had murdered another woman. I didn’t leave straight away or he would have killed me for sure. I waited until he was on one of his highs ( he was NOT an alcoholic or addict). I waited until he had a huge amount of narcisstic supply coming from everywhere, so that I knew he thought it would be great to get rid of me and the kids. I moved interstate I made sure I was never alone for a few years. Until the next p.
I fear my last “ex P dentist/BF”. I know that when he gets sick or bored with his current circumstances he will try to destroy me again one way or the other. Probably through legal abuse as he knows that is what I fear the most. I would rather fight a P monster physically than to have to go through what I did with the solicitor. Legal abuse is sustained and devastating. With no-one ever believing me except my son, because he was there. And the solicitor got away with it. Mainly because of the corrupt judges and police and many enablers on his wages list. Money doesn’t shout, it screams.
The only solace I got was having my name cleared so I have no record. The solicitor was never charged and I didn’t get a dime back. I would rather choose death than what I went through with the P solicitor. I stopped wanting to kill the solicitor around five years after the fact.
I don’t hold any revenge thoughts for my P daughter. Yet. Only fear.
My mother went to hospital two days ago. She is now 84. The longest living paraplegic in Ausralia! The last time I saw her was Mothers Day. I spoke to her on the phone just before she went in, when she told me again how wonderful my P brother is and what huge amounts she has given him. (They are both proud of never having given me anything).
So today is a new day. The revenge has subsided and I have mostly peace in my heart with a bit too much fear.
Thankyou again Oxy, you are amazing.
witsend
I would go ahead and have the sit down TALK! About how it’s going to be in Your House! (Not that you have not already done this)
Just some ideas!
1. If he is not going to Live up to his potential in school!
Get a Job!
Pay rent
pay for food
pay for laundry + cleaning
There is NO Free ride! Anymore! You either do what you are asked to do ; meds, school,home
OR
Find somwhere else to LIVE!
There is no point in waiting another two years, He should be helping you If He’s not Throw his butt to the curb. The cold Hard Facts of Life will make or brake Him.
I realize it’s easyer to say it than to do it! Peace be with you
Dear LearnED,
There is a big difference in “un-conditionally loving” a person who is mentally ill, or mentally retarded and DOES not have control over their behavior or emotions…just like the example I gave of my two-year old dumping the can of fish food into the aquarium TWICE in one week. If he was 22 years old and had the mind of a two year old I could still not be “mad” at him…I might not even be able to keep him in my home for his sake or my own I might have to put him into an institution if that was the case, but I would NOT stop loving him. It is when a person has COMPLETE conscious decision to harm you and choses to do so, that person’s decisions and the fear they induce in me will keep me from “loving” them any more. If that makes any sense to you.
Your situation with your mother, I can definitely understand it, she was truly mentally ill, not disordered. BIG DIFFERENCE.
I am so grateful to God that you got a chance to be with her there at the end and that you could both find peace in that. that was a miracle for sure! A wonderful friend of mine had brain cancer and they operated on him to take out as much as they could and for six months he was the most hateful person you could imagine, I did NOT quit loving him becasuse I knew that was NOT “him”–it was the disease in his brain. Odd thing, too, two weeks before his death from the brain cancer, his mind came back to him, clear as a bell, and he got to say goodbye to his family and friends in his right mind. that was a wonderful gift from God to all of us! Especially to his family who didn’t have to remember him “raving” at them.
It isn’t when someone is unable to control their behavior that I have a problem, it is when they have a choice, and choose to do waht they KNOW is wrong and abusive.
Victor,
What you say “kick him to the curb” is not only easier said than done…
BUT in the state I live in, it is pretty difficult to do. I am legally responsible for him until age 18.
Emancipation in my state is in effect for the minor and NOT parents. He has to emancipate me, not the other way around.
Even though at 17 he could be tried as an adult for some crimes, I am legally RESPONSIBLE for him until the age of 18 years old including where he lives. That responsibility ALSO INCLUDES all fees incurred for damages as well as court fees, lawyers etc if he does break the law…..
I have already been desperate enough to look this stuff up. Thinking I need to know some of this information.
Also I still do struggle on a DAILY basis, NOT knowing if my kid suffers from having a Personality Disorder, Bipolar, PTSD, Depression, or a combination of….(my personal opinion is he’s a combo)
If he’s Bipolar and I kick him to the curb, WHAT exactly are the hard knocks of life going to teach him at 16 years old?
And if he was your 16 yr old son & Bipolar would you HONESTLY be doing what you are suggesting I do? I know, most parents think if he WERE MY kid, he wouldn’t be acting this way.
But then again most parents don’t have a kid that WAS tramatized at not yet 4 years old either. AND I don’t use that as an excuse, but it certainly can be part of the reason.
TRUST ME, I have days that I am angry, when he is verbally abusive, and I would like to kick him to the curb. And the next day I might have a much different emotion…Such as he is sick. He needs medication.
Dearest Oxy,
I hesitated with that post…I didnt want it to be ill-received…
It is personal battle I have within…unconditional love…. the beauty of it and the danger of it…
I absolutely understand exactly the difference…and admire and commend you on your ability to not only articluate it…but do so in such a way that one understands a mothers worse nightmare.. not being able to unconditionally love her child…actually be the one and only thing that could save her OWN life from the mercy of her sons “evil actions” toward her…
And I hope I explained that I too would draw the line with unconditionally loving anyone I fear… AND I MADE AN ERROR in continuing to unconditionally loving a man (coupled with not having any of my self-respect, self-trust, self-worth on board) who didnt have my best interest in mind… so maybe for me its realizing that in order to unconditionally love someone I first must have my self-everything preserved…and by doing so…the ones I can unconditionally love will be the ones who respect me – I DONT KNOW – THIS IS A TOUGH ONE FOR ME… Ive always felt unconditional love is one of lives greatest joys…but you’ve made me think about where the line is drawn…when…etc.
Separate from your situation….and the way you view unconditional love for yourself and the way others do….I find myself struggling with it.
Just being open and honest…Ill work through it…and SO apppreciate and knew you would understand where I was coming from. Thank you for your response…and most of all THANK YOU FOR THIS ARTICLE OXY!!!! xo
Hey, Kathy:
Any word yet on when you’ll be visiting my fair city?
Dear LearnED,
Of course I understand your being ambivalent about it, I am/was too for so long. In the middle of all of this “mess” though, I started to have somewhat of a “spiritual awakening.” That was what made me come to the conclusions I did FOR ME. I know not everyone may agree, and that is perfectly OK with me. But FOR ME, I started to study the word “love” as it is in hte Bible, like “love your enemies” etc. What did/does that mean? Well, many languages have more than ONE WORD for “love” where English has only one word.
In English I might say “I love my dog” or “I love my child” or “I love ice cream” but those words “love” do NOT mean the same thing.
I studied with several different Christian ministers of different faiths who were well educated in the languages of the Bible and all agreed on that, that the English word translated “love” in the Bible has different meanings in different places. “Love” your enemies, does NOT mean have a “squishy feeling” for them, as s ome might maintain, but it means to “do good to them” rather than retaliate and seek revenge as most people in that age would have done. It does NOT mean you have to have an emotional bond to them as you would to your child.
So when I say that I no longer “love” the people I fear, and that includes my son and my egg donor, it means that I no longer have that EMOTIONAL BOND to them, and I hold them RESPONSIBLE for their bad actions. I have worked hard to “forgive them” and that too, was a concept that I had trouble with. My egg donor had taught me that “forgiveness” mean that I had to FORGET about the betrayals, and PRETEND that none of the evil things they had jdone and would do again, had happened. I also studied on the meaning for me of the word “forgiveness” and I came to the conclusion it means to “get the bitterness out of my heart” not that I should pretend none of it happened or trust them again, or have a relationship with them.
So my spiritual awakening really was about semantics and the definitions of the words that went with the actions and emotions involved with “love” and “forgiveness” etc.
Plus, who is “accountable” for their actions? Of course a person who was severely mentally ill I would not hold “accountable” for their actons, or even be angry about what they did, though I might try to prevent them harming me. The person who is mentally retarded or very young is NOT in my mind “accountable” for their actions, but the person who is of age to know right from wrong, good from bad, and who deliberately decides to hurt someone for the pleasure of it??? Well, you know the anwser to that.
I had tried to GIVE unconditional emotional love and committment to several people who had NO love of any kind for me, and I realized that I was more than a little mistaken in thinking I could do this, or that it was even a good thing to try to do. For ME, I decided I could not be emotionally connected by “love” (meaning caring) for these people, yet even though they are my enemies (by their choice) I will “love them” in that I am not going to seek to do them harm, but neither will I allow them to harm me.
Each of us I think has to come to their own Unique spiritual grasp of what these concepts mean for themselves. That fact that you are thinking about these concepts, in my opinion, puts you head and shoulders above most people on a spiritual path! ((((hugs))))) xoxox
Learnthelesson,
I think you don’t realize how well YOU EXPLAINED that! I believe there IS what you call the ability to love with understanding from a place of distance. From a place of seperation. How you were able to articulate it so well, I don’t know cause it is hard to understand.
I would have never been able to explain it as you did but I believe that is how I loved my father once I was an adult.
The distance wasn’t necessarily “miles” but rather the distance I kept my heart. That disfunction of old family wounds….I loved him but it was certainly different than my love for my mother. A love with reservations? I’m not sure…
I think the human mind is quite complex. And we all do what we need to to survive. Could be how we love somebody or how we survive a crisis in our lives.
The young lady that was on Oprah last week that shot her father. He had molested/raped her for years and she did 18 years for murder and recently released from prison.
She said something VERY interesting. After her father molested her….Growing up she thought of him the entire time of being as 2 seperate entities. One, was her father that she loved and adored since she was a tiny child. And the other was this awful vile rapist.
She actually CHOSE to live with him when her parents divorced. He had convinced her that her mother KNEW about the molestation/rape so she hated her mother all those years.
Her way of survival was to compartmentalize this in her brain as two SEPERATE people. Amazing what the mind can do to get through such a horrible time in her young life.
MATT