By Ox Drover
I was led to believe as a child that we should “love unconditionally” and that we should “forgive unconditionally.” This was the rule around our house. I did start to notice, though, that while I was to apply this “unconditional forgiveness and love” to others, those same people did not always apply it to me.
When my children were born, I felt the first real and true “unconditional” love I had ever felt for anyone. I would gaze into the crib and watch my child sleep, little fists curled up, ten perfect little fingers with ten perfect little finger nails. The warmth of this truly “unconditional” love swept through my heart and made my eyes tear up with joy.
Even when my two-year-old son poured a full box of fish food into the aquarium and I had to clean it out and change the water the second time in a week, I did not stop loving him or hold a grudge against him for his behavior. I took the responsibility for his actions because I had left the fish food where he could reach it, and he didn’t know any better. I laughed as I cleaned out the aquarium that I would be so dumb to leave it where he could reach it a second time.
As my children grew and became more independent and self motivated teenagers, I would occasionally become quite frustrated and even angry with them for some of their behavior, especially defiant behavior, but it never dawned on me to not forgive them, or to hold a grudge or to stop loving them, no matter what they did, or even to fear them. I had no concept at that time, that one of my children might actually wish in a long term continuing way to do me harm. My love for them was, I thought, absolutely “unconditional.” Just as my love for my mother, I thought, was unconditional. No matter how angry I got, I knew that I loved her and no matter what she did that upset me or hurt me, it never dawned on me that I could ever stop loving her or that the things she did actually came from a deep down desire to control me, even if this resulted in my harm.
Though there was somehow a difference in how I was required to give her “unconditional forgiveness” and forget about anything she had ever done to me, while she would frequently and critically remind me of things I did as a defiant teenager, I still believed I loved her unconditionally, just like I loved my kids unconditionally, no matter what they did or said.
Throughout many years I held on to this belief, which, I am finding out now, is a fantasy. There are behaviors so heinous that I can no longer love someone. So, in truth, my love for my mother and even my love for my children is not truly “unconditional.” In truth, forgiveness does not include trust and a resumption of a relationship with that person if what they have done is so heinous that you fear them.
I realized that fearing a person precluded me from actually loving them. When you love someone you trust them. When you don’t trust someone, you can’t really love them. WOW! What a revelation for me! If I am afraid of a person, I cannot truly love them. I can be angry with someone I love, I can even be furious with someone I love. If I am afraid of a person, can’t trust them not to hurt me intentionally, how can I love that person at the same time? For me, it was impossible.
I might love the “fantasy” of them, but not the actual scary person that is the real them. When I realized, finally, that my psychopathic son wanted me dead and I began to be afraid of him, I realized the man sitting in a prison cell was truly evil, malicious and dangerous. I also realized I was a fool if I did not take the threat seriously. Then the “love” I had felt, that I had believed was truly unconditional, seeped out, and one day I realized it was gone.
My other biological son, who was at that same time married to a psychopath himself, had distanced himself from me, disappointed me, and to some extent devalued me, which saddened me, but I still loved him ”¦ because I was not afraid of him. In spite of everything, I realized he would not ever deliberately hurt me, or want to deliberately hurt me. Yet, I realized that if he became dangerous to me, or I started to fear him as well, that I would not be able to continue to love him either.
When my “good” son’s wife (now ex-wife) tried to kill him after he found out about the affair she was having with a psychopath, his “unconditional” love for her also evaporated. He started to realize that she was dangerous. Before the attack on my son with a gun by her and her boyfriend, my son had found out about the affair and offered to “go to counseling” and to “work it out” with her. He loved her, and her affair was not something that made him afraid of her. It was only his fear of her after the attempted murder that made him able to detach from his love from her. His love that he had thought was unconditional, his commitment to the marriage that he thought was total, was destroyed by the fear for his life.
I had always thought my loyalty and commitment to my family members and friends was total and unconditional. When I started to experience true fear of some of these people, it made me realize that the only unconditional love in the universe is God’s. The Bible tells me to “love” my enemies and pray for them, but the “love” commanded in the Bible is not the feeling, in my opinion, that we normally call, in English, “love.” The “love” commanded for our enemies means to do “good to them” rather than seek revenge, but it has nothing to do with the “love” we feel, that “squishy” feeling I had leaning over my infant’s crib. It was not that loving commitment to my child that meant I would have thrown my body in front of an attacker, freely giving my life to save my child.
On a thread on Lovefraud some time back, a blogger (whose name I no longer remember) wrote that it is noble of us to throw ourselves in front of a bus to save our loved one, but not when the bus is being driven by the psychopath we are trying to save! I can’t think of a better analogy that this one.
In the end, I realized that no healthy love is truly “unconditional.” I also realized that boundaries are healthy, and that I needed to learn to set boundaries. I needed to protect myself from attacks, and that my fear or distrust of someone precludes me from having a relationship with that person. Fear precludes me from loving them.
For most of my life I tried to live up to the fantasy of “unconditional love” for those in my family, even those in my family who were psychopaths. It never felt right to me, but at the same time, I was committed to this stance because it was what I thought was “normal” and “expected.” When my family devalued me, when the “unconditional” love from them depended on controlling me, using me, abusing me, and then instilling fear into me, I finally “saw the light.” I realize now that real love is kind, love is caring, love is respectful, love is many good things, but it is never about control, never about punishment, never about deliberately inflicting pain or fear. Healthy love is never completely “unconditional.”
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I like your idea of justice – turn him in and give out his address -let them get to him. I hope to do the same someday soon.
We filed a motion to show cause to stop NSH from selling the shore house and anything else. today – hopefully he will be forced to pay for it since he is 100 % wrong in his dealings.
So he has turned up the heat on me by taking the kids unannounced………gotta love him ….such a child.
He went to school and took son out to lunch and tried coaxing my daughter out after school. Now this is not the worst thing by any means …but I know by now it is his way of establishing his control – he only does this when pissed – not to see the kids.
Oxy said
“For ME, I decided I could not be emotionally connected by “love” (meaning caring) for these people, yet even though they are my enemies (by their choice) I will “love them” in that I am not going to seek to do them harm, but neither will I allow them to harm me.
Thats what I was trying to say!!!!
Just something about that in our souls/spirits…thats is one of the most beautiful places to be in life…in my opinion..the ability to find that place within even when severed from them… a rare form of unconditional love (or whatever that level can be termed)…one that doesnt equate to being with them…loving them at all costs…caring…remaining in their lives… but a place where we have moved on peace/love/spirit in our own lives for ourselves and others… AN INCREDIBLY DIFFICULT PLACE TO GET TO AND BE WITH CERTAIN PEOPLE IN OUR LIVES…
Thanks again Oxy…
And Witsend…Wow, I wasnt sure how to express that…but here at LF I really feel so safe and open to being able to share what crosses my mind…at times way off base and at others hopefully adding meaning on our journies…but I appreciate and cherish being able to share my thoughts and bounce them off such amazing people and gain infinite insight and wisdom and different perspectives that I otherwise would not have in my life…. Thank you.. I like how you said it “the distance I kept in my heart…. it is as Oxy said avery individual unique spiritual grasp of what these concepts mean for everyone… so glad I could mention my struggles with grasping even my own!
“I had always thought my loyalty and commitment to my family members and friends was total and unconditional. When I started to experience true fear of some of these people, it made me realize that the only unconditional love in the universe is God’s.”
Who do we put the blame on us?
Our caretakers or another’s?
I believe both are in a way are correct. One is a belief that is taught in a traditional of self family expectation and environmental rewards and that which was exposed us by our mentors and teachers. That which we believed in we become that is who we are and have an belief in self. For a quote that would be “I am because I think I am”
What can we expect other then contradiction? This contradiction starts with self but also ends with self. We had a belief held true to oneself from church community and social interaction that which is supported in a belief system of one’s self and others.
This is learned behavior which is also that which we came to relayed on….
So I ask you….
Do we blame our teaching?
Do we blame those put in place of our caretakers?
Do we blame self?
Whenever we blame anyone we take from self.
Blame it’s self is and only can be put fore in our beliefs our hearts and desires
We might have come from an environment
That didn’t allow free self and personal power
But we don’t have to stay there….
Blame it’s self isn’t worth the effort, but an investment in self does. With both positive and negative resilience.
I am so glad I am past that revenge feeling. I don’t even wish him bad things, but I like to talk here about what he did and how it changed me, I think for the better, time will tell. Just trying to move on – good article Oxy.
“I am so glad I am past that revenge feeling”
Thank you so much for this inspiration because whenever we moved from this emotional need for revenge we start to move into one’s own self and personal power. No longer do we need “an ear for an ear”..
We see and know only need our own personal power and acknowledgement of self. We then accept that which we understand and then leave that which we can’t understand. We can only take self and hold it accountable for our actions. We can understand not only the problem of those we loved but also accept love for who we will love and others that in time will be loved.
Those that wish to destroy “self”.
Failed
They failed only because they destroy themselves and not those they wished to destroyed.
Why?, only because we are who we are..
Today tomorrow and for all those that know us.
They are whom others want them to be.
external to all expectation
Shallow to others and self.
Changeable but fixed
Unknown but liked
Loved but will never understand love..
witsend
I apologize for being so ruthless!
Here in lies the irony of the system! That you must wait till he breaks a law for you to get the assistance that you need! And when that happens You still won’t get the kind of help this kid needs and is screeming out for!
There is NO CORRECTIONS going on at the Corrections department or jail or Prision! Only the education of the street and life behind bars. In a cage an animal is either broken or transformed into a monster! Prisions breed HATE!
A scared straight program might be some help! But I think after reading your thoughts it is going to get worse before it gets better!
One of the things I learned about my Psycopath was when to leave! When I could get no help from authorities or anyone else , I knew that by just leaving I at least could protect my self and allow the situation to diffuse or cool off ! When I removed myself from the Malay! He had nothing to do except destroy the house and make a total fool of himself!
Please be safe and You are in my Prayers! Peace be with you!
“they are whom others want them to be. external to all expectation Shallow to others and self. Changeable but fixed Unknown but liked. Loved but will never understand love” this is so true, so very sad, so profound a description…
One thing I havn’t really understood was the children of my ex psychopath. He had a 21 year old alcoholic son that he was grooming to be a psychopath, “go f*ck and dump em”, he would say to his son about all the different girls he brought home regularly. “I am dad, I am” the son would whine. I thought they were both joking! DUH!!
But it was his two adult daughters that were the worst. The oldest one was like his girlfriend. I am sure she was a psychopath too. She called him incessantly when she knew I was there. Both the daughters hated me and wanted him to get rid of me. The younger one was violent and assaulted me, while I was sleeping in bed next to him. She threw crockery (my grandmothers heirlooms) at my head and smashed them on the wall ( I ducked). She threw his boots at my head. Eventually she hit me around the head with her fist.
She was screaming, “get out you c**t!! Get her out dad!! How could you dad?? After our talk, she is using you dad, get her out!!”. She was in an insane rage and hysterical.She was not on drugs or alcohol. I have no idea what her mental diagnosis is. I know she was on anti depressants. He eventually took her into the kitchen, ( I didn’t hear what he said to her). Then he rang his ex wife and told her to “deal with it”. She left the house yelling at me still.
He had wanted his three kids to move out of his home. He used me as an excuse, to get them out.
I lay awake in the bed the whole night while, he slept. I was waiting for her to return or for the older psychopath up the hallway (her older sister) to sneak in and harm me.
The whole time I was with him he set them against me. I still don’t understand what happened and why.
Why were the girls like that towards me? Why did he want them to hate me? Why was his relationship with his oldest daughter like a girlfriend? (she had a drug addict boyfriend of her own). Why did the younger one hate me so much?? I had only ever been nice to them!!
The alcoholic son was often sent into my cupboards to check what was in them. I heard them sending him in. The older daughter threw all of my clothes out of my drawers one night. They treated me like AI was a pot plant or they abused me. He used to say, “if you don’t get on with my daughters then we can’t have a relationship”. Then he would tell the daughters that I was mentally ill!
Why?
I am doing my head in tonight over all this. I used to write letters to God when I was with him, to help me make peace with his daughters. The exP would go through my things and when he saw it, he would say, When did you write this honey?” Then he would take it. I don’t know what he did with it.
I remember the older P daughter woke us up one night at 1.00 am. She was crying because her alcoholic brother had drunk her 3 bottles of beer. She was 28!!!
I am so glad that God and my son, pulled me out of that situation. I am not glad I got ripped off because I am suffering badly now, so is my son. But in retrospect, I was lucky it wasn’t much worse.
The two girls live together now with their druggie boyfriends and my dog. Their p father pays for most things,well he used to. But never for me. I am still resentful about that. But like i said, I was lucky it wasn’t worse.
Although it did get worse when they all legally abused me, after we split up. When I tried to get a restraining order on the younger daughter, they fought it and she won. They all lied. So I have a restraining order that i don’t go near them! And She assaulted me!!
You know, talking about this is helping me. I sooo don’t want to be with them now! that is so awesome!! And I don’t want to take revenge because I know that THAT IS WHAT HE WANTS ME TO DO!!!
Doing nothing is my best revenge. Then one day, he won’t be in my head space. None of them will!!
Although, it would be great if the insurance and the tax people got him.
I can’t help but wonder what happened next, after I went. You know, I know he has anew victim girlfriend. But do they just go on like this? Will there be any rock bottoms in any of their lives and will they ever get caught out?? Or will they all just saunter on, living a life of luxury and conning more and more people?
I wonder what happens to them all….