By Ox Drover
I was led to believe as a child that we should “love unconditionally” and that we should “forgive unconditionally.” This was the rule around our house. I did start to notice, though, that while I was to apply this “unconditional forgiveness and love” to others, those same people did not always apply it to me.
When my children were born, I felt the first real and true “unconditional” love I had ever felt for anyone. I would gaze into the crib and watch my child sleep, little fists curled up, ten perfect little fingers with ten perfect little finger nails. The warmth of this truly “unconditional” love swept through my heart and made my eyes tear up with joy.
Even when my two-year-old son poured a full box of fish food into the aquarium and I had to clean it out and change the water the second time in a week, I did not stop loving him or hold a grudge against him for his behavior. I took the responsibility for his actions because I had left the fish food where he could reach it, and he didn’t know any better. I laughed as I cleaned out the aquarium that I would be so dumb to leave it where he could reach it a second time.
As my children grew and became more independent and self motivated teenagers, I would occasionally become quite frustrated and even angry with them for some of their behavior, especially defiant behavior, but it never dawned on me to not forgive them, or to hold a grudge or to stop loving them, no matter what they did, or even to fear them. I had no concept at that time, that one of my children might actually wish in a long term continuing way to do me harm. My love for them was, I thought, absolutely “unconditional.” Just as my love for my mother, I thought, was unconditional. No matter how angry I got, I knew that I loved her and no matter what she did that upset me or hurt me, it never dawned on me that I could ever stop loving her or that the things she did actually came from a deep down desire to control me, even if this resulted in my harm.
Though there was somehow a difference in how I was required to give her “unconditional forgiveness” and forget about anything she had ever done to me, while she would frequently and critically remind me of things I did as a defiant teenager, I still believed I loved her unconditionally, just like I loved my kids unconditionally, no matter what they did or said.
Throughout many years I held on to this belief, which, I am finding out now, is a fantasy. There are behaviors so heinous that I can no longer love someone. So, in truth, my love for my mother and even my love for my children is not truly “unconditional.” In truth, forgiveness does not include trust and a resumption of a relationship with that person if what they have done is so heinous that you fear them.
I realized that fearing a person precluded me from actually loving them. When you love someone you trust them. When you don’t trust someone, you can’t really love them. WOW! What a revelation for me! If I am afraid of a person, I cannot truly love them. I can be angry with someone I love, I can even be furious with someone I love. If I am afraid of a person, can’t trust them not to hurt me intentionally, how can I love that person at the same time? For me, it was impossible.
I might love the “fantasy” of them, but not the actual scary person that is the real them. When I realized, finally, that my psychopathic son wanted me dead and I began to be afraid of him, I realized the man sitting in a prison cell was truly evil, malicious and dangerous. I also realized I was a fool if I did not take the threat seriously. Then the “love” I had felt, that I had believed was truly unconditional, seeped out, and one day I realized it was gone.
My other biological son, who was at that same time married to a psychopath himself, had distanced himself from me, disappointed me, and to some extent devalued me, which saddened me, but I still loved him ”¦ because I was not afraid of him. In spite of everything, I realized he would not ever deliberately hurt me, or want to deliberately hurt me. Yet, I realized that if he became dangerous to me, or I started to fear him as well, that I would not be able to continue to love him either.
When my “good” son’s wife (now ex-wife) tried to kill him after he found out about the affair she was having with a psychopath, his “unconditional” love for her also evaporated. He started to realize that she was dangerous. Before the attack on my son with a gun by her and her boyfriend, my son had found out about the affair and offered to “go to counseling” and to “work it out” with her. He loved her, and her affair was not something that made him afraid of her. It was only his fear of her after the attempted murder that made him able to detach from his love from her. His love that he had thought was unconditional, his commitment to the marriage that he thought was total, was destroyed by the fear for his life.
I had always thought my loyalty and commitment to my family members and friends was total and unconditional. When I started to experience true fear of some of these people, it made me realize that the only unconditional love in the universe is God’s. The Bible tells me to “love” my enemies and pray for them, but the “love” commanded in the Bible is not the feeling, in my opinion, that we normally call, in English, “love.” The “love” commanded for our enemies means to do “good to them” rather than seek revenge, but it has nothing to do with the “love” we feel, that “squishy” feeling I had leaning over my infant’s crib. It was not that loving commitment to my child that meant I would have thrown my body in front of an attacker, freely giving my life to save my child.
On a thread on Lovefraud some time back, a blogger (whose name I no longer remember) wrote that it is noble of us to throw ourselves in front of a bus to save our loved one, but not when the bus is being driven by the psychopath we are trying to save! I can’t think of a better analogy that this one.
In the end, I realized that no healthy love is truly “unconditional.” I also realized that boundaries are healthy, and that I needed to learn to set boundaries. I needed to protect myself from attacks, and that my fear or distrust of someone precludes me from having a relationship with that person. Fear precludes me from loving them.
For most of my life I tried to live up to the fantasy of “unconditional love” for those in my family, even those in my family who were psychopaths. It never felt right to me, but at the same time, I was committed to this stance because it was what I thought was “normal” and “expected.” When my family devalued me, when the “unconditional” love from them depended on controlling me, using me, abusing me, and then instilling fear into me, I finally “saw the light.” I realize now that real love is kind, love is caring, love is respectful, love is many good things, but it is never about control, never about punishment, never about deliberately inflicting pain or fear. Healthy love is never completely “unconditional.”
I have read thru alot of posts and articles this morning and I would like some feedback..I would grearly appreciate it…
I am concerned about my 3 yr old son…being that hisfather is an S..no doubt there..and he is doing basically what his father did to him to my son..I believe and hope it is not genetic and if so..how it can be managed..my son is living in a very loving home with myself and my other 2 children..altho..I know my pregnancy was hoorible and his birth and the first 2 yrs of his life as I was dealing with all of the insanity..he has not been exposed to the S enough to have alot of damage so far however.the abandonment of most recently plus..my 19 yr old daughter whom my 3 yr old is VERY close with has had to deal with her leaving and going off to college..she is home now but will leave again..he has had to deal with my insanity while going through court with the s..and while its mnot over I am much better..in the last fw months he had to leave the daycare as he was in and there was a woman who provided him with much care and nurturing while I was working..he is noiw in a “school” environment while he does not get as much of the one on one…he did….he has bouts of anger and defiance..nothing out of control but not like my other 2 at that age…I want to make sure I do everyhting I can to assure him the best life emotionally as possible..any thoughts help///would be appreaciated ….: )
Dear End, I suggest you go to dr. Leedom’s site “raising the at risk child” There is a link here on LF to get to it. Good luck and God bless you! (((hugs))))
endthepain:
I’m not a parent, but I do have several young nieces and nephews. One of the parents of a couple of the kids is a conman. I have seen the effect the upheaval has had on these kids lives — but, I have also seen the effect on them when they are in established routines and not surrounded by their father’s nonstop drama.
Sounds to me like you’ve got a lot of stabalizing forces in your son’s life — unfortunately he is surrounded by some drama courtesy of his father’s current presence in his life. And he’s also probably picking up on your tension. Still, sounds to me (unschooled observer though I am) that you’re doing everything you can to keep his world stable.
endthepain,
Get the book, raising the chld at risk. I wish that I had some
insight years ago when my son was young of how to raise a child at risk.
SO much of what comes natural as parents and what has worked with your other children does not seem to penetrate with these kids.
The one thing I notice now when looking at the here and now situation and looking at the past when my son was young is this…..EVERYTHING I did to “show” my son love, attention, one on one time, affection, ALL OF IT seems to be lost on him. All the “atta” boys, all the positive reinforcements, showing him kindness to animals, and trying to teach him compassion with less fortunate people, places, and things….
Its like that never happened. It seems as if he doesn’t KNOW how to recieve love, let alone give it.
And I never saw it coming…..He was what I percieved a pretty happy, normal kid. UNTIL puberty. He is a complete stranger to me now.
So any book that might offer you some tools of how to parent your child at risk would be well worth the “read”.
Tilly: I’ve been getting bits and pieces of your story. I understand that you’ve had some harrowing experiences, but have somehow managed to live through them and gain strength and pretty much keep your head on straight.
You said something about AA in a post above. I am curious about that. Would you care to share more? (I appreciate your spirit and resilience.)
I believe that in a loving state, there is no fear. I know I feel fear about so many things/people in my life, so therefore I am not capable of loving unconditionally. I feel I feel a maternal love for my animals. But even with animals, humans tend to covet them as a way to get affection and entertainment. I don’t doubt that snakes would do better left in the wild in their natural habitats than in a glass cage being watched by humans. This tears me up a lot because mine cannot be released into the wild. I think the reason I love animals so much (and this is the closest approximation of unconditional live I know) is because there were no truly loving people in my family. I learned about love through the bonds I formed with animals. I realize I cannot love my mother unconditionally because I will always hold her accountable for her crimes. After she dies, in my mind, the score will probably be settled because she will have spent her entire middle and golden years without her children. Perhaps then I can love her unconditionally.
Rune:
I wrote a whole heap on on AA and NA last week on one of the blogs. But there is nothing new in there. I’m sure you would know everything I have written from Oxy and others.
Oxy and Genevieve79 and Witsend: Yes you are right! I pray that because this is his first girlfriend (even though it has gone on for a nearly three years), that they will bust up and not have kids. When I say he “glared at me because he knew what I was thinking,” it was because he KNEW I was thinking, “HOW COULD SHE COUNT her own L plates AS A PRESENT ?! SHE IS A USER! AN ABUSER! SHE DOESN”T LOVE MY SON AND SHE IS PROBABLY A PSYCHOPATH AND I PRAY THAT THEY DON”T HAVE KIDS”. My son knows that I think this. He disagrees with me. He often thanks me for being nice to her when he knows what I think of her. I am only nice to her, because when I have told her what I think of her, he stands up for her. Then I have lost him and she loves it . When I try to bring the subject up he is incredibly defensive. It ALWAYS makes it worse. I don’t know what to do but pray. And if Oxy kept her mouth shut for 8 years, then so can I.
MY SON CAN SPOT MALE PSYCHOPATHS AT 100 yards away. This is because all my partners have been psychopaths. Not so females, he can’t see them at all.
Dear Tilly,
Sweetie, with my BIG MOUTH it was the most difficult thing I could do to keep my mouth shut. Even though I didn’t SAY anything and was “so sweet butter wouldn’t melt in my mouth” SHE KNEW I dispised her. After she went to jail the letter she wrote to her daughter made it plain that she hated my guts and blamed all HER PROBLEMS on me. LOL boy, can they stretch that blame blanket to cover everyone but themselves! ha ha
Since I was being so sweet to her, my son actually didn’t catch on so much that I was being “fake” even though he knew she was not my choice for him, but I NEVER CRITICIZED her at all. The only “problem” we had was teh sexually inappropriate conduct of her daughter after the plane crash when she was crawling all over my son D like a bitch in heat (literally almost humping his leg!) But we all played the game of “let’s pretend none of this happened” and went on.
Of course her hatred festered toward me and I bet your son’s GF will do the same. They DO NOT LIKE people who have their number.
A nice talk with your son sometime like “Darling, you know I am not sure Suzie is the right woman for you, but it is YOUR DECISION and whoever you love I will do my best to love as well. (Try not to puke here) and I just want you to be happy, sweetie and if she is your choice, I will do my best to love her too.”
Be sure to send her cards on her BD, nice things at christmas etc. All is is just winidow dressing for your son, of course, so that eh will not feel so defensive about defending HIS choice. That way, if she criticizes YOU, then he will start to be defensive of YOU because he iknows you have “tried” to be nice to her etc. I know all that sounds phony and I guess it is, but it is the ONLY way I know that we can maintain contact with our children while they are in the FOG.
We can almost predict that SHE will continue to act out and try to control him, and if she does not have YOU to blame for her behavior (in his eyes) then maybe he will start to see the light. If my kid could (he is very committed to his friends and was to her) then I can pray that yours will too. ((((hugs))))) Hang in there Tilly!
So to simplify the equation: God’s love is unconditional/Man’s love is conditional ~ I think it’s possible to love everyone but be choosy about who we spend time with. Loving someone often means never seeing them again in this lifetime. Those who’ve betrayed me in the past I simply put massive distance between me & them & tried to learn from the event so as not to ever repeat it if possible. I often find that living with loneliness is much safer than being around people just to have someone to fill the gap. And I’m thankful that I’m still alive even after those lessons, which has given me another chance at a peaceful life. And that is a great gift indeed.
Dear Susan,
Welcome to Love Fraud, glad you are here. also glad that you have some good advice to share with us. RIGHT ON!
I agree with you entirely—“loving our enemies” even, doesn’t mean we have to let them share our lives or our beds, it is I think respecting their humanity, even if it is twisted, but not the same as loving those who aren’t twisted, who do care also about us and that we want to be with.
Allowing someone in my life is my GIFT to them, it isn’t an obligation just because they are another human being, or just because they WANT to be in my life. My AFFECTION-Love is my choice entirely and depends on how they treat me.
Again, welcome!