Lovefraud recently received an e-mail from a young man, we’ll call him Kyle, who has just broken up with a woman whom he now believes is a sociopath. Based on the behavior he described, I’d say the guy is right. The woman cheated on him, and when confronted, either downplayed her behavior, said it was none of his business, or verbally attacked him. She had no interest in resolving problems. “Her solution to everything was to run, wait awhile, and then pile on affection as if nothing ever happened,” Kyle wrote.
Kyle has been researching sociopathy to try to grasp what is really going on with this woman. Here’s more of his e-mail, which I have reproduced with his permission:
First of all, I don’t believe criminal behavior, monetary fraud, substance abuse, or any other overt signs of social misconduct are primary symptoms of sociopathy. I suppose that’s the big question though… what is a primary sign? My theory is that the sociopath is incapable of developing personal values through the process of induction, meaning they are unable to look within themselves to gain a sense of self-esteem. This results their inability to experience empathy. After all, if one cannot generate a sense of self worth from their own reasoning how can they be expected to relate to others who do?
It seems in every case I have read about, the sociopath is an extravert. I think this is natural as the person must constantly be in contact with others because they find no satisfaction in themselves. Sociopaths also seem to be universally intelligent. (Perhaps these are the factors that differentiate a sociopath from a psychopath. Again, forgive my ignorance on the subject). What results is a charming individual who preys on other people to satisfy an endless hunger for temporary esteem. Because they cannot make sense of the internal values which should be generating this esteem, they simply try to get it from others, essentially reversing cause and effect.
In the end, this system never quite works, so they develop an incredible defense to avoid the fact that every close relationship falls apart. Every interaction is bounded by a series of rules/parameters. So long as the victim stays within these, things run smoothly. However, close human contact results in an emotional trade off that is impossible to control. Normally this is a tremendously good thing: trust, loyalty, and compassion are established. However, these all rely on a person’s sense of self worth, and the sociopath is not able to understand that. Sooner or later the relationship becomes too close and loses all stability. This is the point where the sociopath is “found out.”
In dealing with the woman, I felt a certain childlike quality to her emotions throughout our relationship. Though she was highly developed socially, in a lot of ways I almost felt like I was dealing with a puppy who just killed a small bird in the front yard. I think my mistake was in believing that I would be different. If I held my hand out she wouldn’t bite it. But I think this quality is misleading, as that naiveté is something the sociopath will avoid at all costs. They simply refuse to learn from their mistakes, or even acknowledge them in the first place. It seems to be a rare combination of a highly developed intellect and a poorly developed emotional response.
Perhaps at some point every sociopath learns to guard that core of insecurity at the deepest level and as such cannot even look at that, let alone analyze it and learn from it. In time, they develop an incredibly complex mechanism to guard this, adding another component with each deception. By early adulthood, these deceptions become so many that the cost is just too great to turn back, and it’s just so much easier to keep going that the thought never even crosses their mind.
These people are not normal
Kyle has correctly observed many traits of a sociopath: Criminality, fraud and substance abuse are not necessarily the prime indicators of this personality disorder. Sociopaths do not experience empathy. Sociopaths are extraverts. They are highly developed socially, but emotionally immature. They do not learn from mistakes.
However, his theories on why sociopaths are the way they are suffer from a fatal flaw: They are developed from the perspective of someone who is normal.
The hardest part of understanding what happened during our entanglements with sociopaths is coming to terms the extent to which these people are not normal.
Lovefraud readers have described sociopaths as not human. Aliens inhabiting human bodies. As cold as these descriptions may sound, they’re probably the easiest way to grasp what you are dealing with in a relationship with a sociopath.
So how different are they? Let’s take a look.
What sociopaths want
Normal people want love and harmonious relationships with others. Normal people want to feel competent in some form of endeavor. Normal people want to contribute to the world in some way.
Sociopaths want power, control and sex. Since they do not really value human relationships, they only want to win.
Kyle is correct in stating that sociopaths cannot look within themselves and develop personal values. He is incorrect in assuming that this causes the sociopath distress. Yes, these disordered people are empty inside, and they may be vaguely aware that they are missing something. But most sociopaths do not have issues with their self-esteem. If anything, they are grandiose, and their views of themselves are ridiculously inflated. They feel absolutely entitled to anything that they want, simply because they want it.
Self-esteem and sociopaths
Kyle speculates that sociopaths must be in constant contact with other people because they are trying to borrow self-esteem from others. This is not the case. Sociopaths view people as pawns to be manipulated into giving them what they want. Every social encounter is a potential feeding opportunity, a chance to convince someone to provide something.
Many people, of course, eventually catch on that they are being used, and stop serving as supply to the sociopaths. Sociopaths are aware of this—they’ve experienced it many times. So they are constantly on the lookout for new targets. When one victim is depleted, he or she must be replaced with another.
This leads to the answer to Kyle’s question, which is, “what is a primary sign of sociopathy?” Dr. Leedom has said lying. Steve Becker has said exploitative behavior. Put them together and you can say deceitful exploitation is central to the disorder.
Insecurity and sociopaths
Kyle suggests that sociopaths are insecure and build defense mechanisms to protect themselves from being hurt. By the time they’re adults, these defense mechanisms are so elaborate and complex that sociopaths can’t return to their authentic selves.
Again, he’s trying to interpret the sociopath based on how normal people may cope with personal issues. This is a mistake.
Wikipedia defines insecurity as, “a feeling of general unease or nervousness that may be triggered by perceiving oneself to be unloved, inadequate or worthless.” Sociopaths probably should see themselves as unloved, inadequate or worthless, but they don’t. They may seem to be exhibiting insecurity, but in reality it’s one of two things:
- Frustration that they’re not getting what they want.
- Manipulation tactics to get what they want.
Sociopaths have no feelings, so there are no feelings to hurt. They can certainly pretend to be hurt, but it is a ruse designed to guilt others into giving them what they want.
Genetic roots
So if sociopaths are not trying to protect their deeply felt insecurities, where does this disorder come from? In most cases, the temperamental traits that lead to sociopathy are genetic. That usually means one of the parents is a sociopath, and sociopaths are notoriously bad parents. If a child is born with the traits, bad parenting can make them develop the full disorder.
But even if a child with the traits gets good parenting, the disorder can develop. Parents who have a child at risk of developing sociopathy need to take extra steps to help the child overcome his or her predisposition, but the parents may not realize it. And in some cases, even the best parenting is not enough to overcome negative genetics.
It is also possible for a mostly normal child who has extremely an extremely bad growth experience—such as being moved from foster home to foster home as a baby—can develop the disorder.
Accept and avoid
Please understand that I am not picking on Kyle. He’s obviously given a lot of thought to his experience with a sociopathic woman, and is trying to understand what happened. He has a reasonably good handle on normal behavior and normal motivations.
His letter simply provided me with an opportunity to illustrate that what we know and understand about normal human behavior simply does not apply to sociopaths. Thank you, Kyle, for allowing me to quote you.
In the end, we may not be able to truly comprehend sociopaths. The way they go through life is just too foreign to our natures. We must simply accept that they are very, very different from us, learn to recognize the symptoms, and if we see them, run for the hills.
All & Your Friend: I truly relate! I understand what it is to believe you have something wonderful, and realize that it is all being sucked away. I’m so glad that you’ve found this community, because we need to support each other as we deal with the truth!
DEar Allpainnogain,
“I haven’t ben able to disconnect, now that all my money is gone, I have no way to leave.”
There is ALWAYS a way, it may not be the one you would like, but staying with them for a “roof over your head” is a difficult form of slavery that in the end will bite you in the arse.
Don’t give up–FIND A WAY, MAKE A WAY, but for your own sake, GET AWAY! (((hugs)))))
Dear Allpain: I walked away with a suitcase. I thought I was leaving for a few days. In spite of all the loss, I know every single day that I did the right thing in getting away.
You never, ever know what might be around the next corner, especially if you are willing to step away from this mess of a pseudo human.
And remember, no matter what he says about you: he’s a pathological liar, so those words DO NOT pertain to who you truly are.
Wow….after reading all the comments on this thread, I am absolutely thrilled by the healing and recovery going on.
You gals/fellas rock!!
Oxy, Rune, Healing Heart, Eyesofthestorm, Kathleen, James, Matt, et al….
There be FIRE, STRENGTH, Superior KNOWLEDGE and the best of all….beautiful JOY in ya’lls writing.
And, Eliza….you are so witty and adorable. May not be what you would wish to hear, but…tis true.
To the new LF tribe members: you’ve come to the most awesome website in cyberspace and perhaps the best place in the world in seeking the truth, reality as it pertains to loving and caring for PDIs.
Seek and ye shall find…….
My fondest wishes for Peace, Love and Joy for you wonderful people!!
🙂
If it were me, I’d look for every possible thing he could challenge me on, and every possible way he could create confusion. And then I’d go prepared with every piece of documentation I could possibly need. If you need other people to verify what you say, get handwritten or hand-signed statements that are witnessed, preferably by a notary public. (There’s usually one who will help you for free at your bank.)
I’d make a special file of things that make him look bad, and practice what you’re going to say about it. You may never need to use it, but you want to be prepared to bring out your big guns.
Finally, I’d train myself to mentally file my “stories” about him under ways they made me feel. Like:
I can’t trust you.
I resent carrying unfair financial burdens.
I resent carrying financial burdens I didn’t agree to.
I feel ripped off.
I want what’s mine.
I am disgusted by your lies.
I am determined to have a fair settlement.
I do not feel comfortable with any settlement that does not provide insurance that he will comply with it.
None of these are invitations to emote. In fact, I’d just same them flatly without a lot of drama. They are sort of mental file tabs, under which you put supporting evidence. By attaching this evidence to a feeling, you become more authentic in representing yourself.
And you avoid finger-pointing and blaming that might make you seem like just a disgruntled person out for revenge. It helps you stay factual.
Like, why don’t you trust him? And you list a maximum of four specific instances when he proved himself untrustworthy. He didn’t pay. He didn’t show up. He didn’t keep his word. Something he told you was a lie. Don’t go into detail, and don’t get sucked into arguing about who did what to whom. If you can, bring documentation. If you can’t, just answer that he may be able to convince someone else, but you lived through it and you know what the truth is.
Steadiness, persistence, preparation, and knowing how you want it come out are your best friends. If you’ve ever seen college debaters, you’ll know they prepare, practice and go in with their files.
The other thing is, to the extent you can, think like him. Sociopaths win, because they’re cold. Everything they project is a front. Behind it, they’re calculating to get what they want. Think of it as chess game. If you have to give something up, make it expensive for him. Sociopaths are strong negotiators, but they don’t like a real competitor. If you can catch him in lies or illogic or admissions, keep track of them and use them against him.
Finally, this may not sound logical after suggesting that you do all this hardballing, but at the end, if you can give him the illusion that you’ve lost, it’s a way to finish the process. Save a handful of items that you “just care bear to let go of” (but don’t really mind losing) to give up to him at the end. If you can manufacture a little sniffle about how sorry you are it ended this way when you loved him so much, all the better. (I know it’s disgusting but it’s for a purpose.) If he can walk away thinking he’s outsmarted you or wore you down or that you really miss him, he’s going to be less likely to keep fighting with you. And if his feel-good brain chemicals are running, he’s going to be less likely to be smart about the details.
Later, if he tries to take you up on your undying love for him, you can tell him you just can’t bear to talk with him. It’s too painful. And besides you’ve just discovered you have herpes.
Kathleen; Thank you so much for all of your insightfulness! I really appreciate it. You really put a lot into your info! I do have everything documented. He did underestimate me and thought that I would “love him so much” that I would forgive him anything and everything. But in one year I collected enough evidence of his extremely bad behavior without his knowledge to know better. Thank God. I don’t think that I can elicit any good feelings in him any more. But I do understand the allowing him to feel that he has won. He has won to a certain extent- not paying the full amount he owes and delaying processes etc. But I do not worry about what I do not have. I am happy for what I do not have: I do not live with a sociopath or have to deal with him on a daily basis. That is the ultimate. I just want a divorce and to be done with him once and for all.
Thank you again. I will keep everything you shared in mind and be very well prepared! Take care! Survivor!
Dear All (Bailey): We’ve all felt despair, but we keep finding hope when we can tough it out through those hard moments. This LF community is absolutely cheering for you. I want to hear from you, even if it’s just a peep.
Allpainnogain- can be pain and a lot of gain, if you allow it. You have to get away and disconnect completely. It is the only way to live. It felt like a death to me when I had to let go. I grieved the loss of the person that I had known and loved. But I knew in my heart that the trade off for his love was much too great. he didn’t really exist anyway. My Counselor told me to take away this one thing if I never came back to see her again, “He is a crazy-maker” You will feel that you are the crazy one and stay in a state of confusion because that is where he wants you to be-under his power and control. Build up your courage muscles and listen to yourself. Not him. You know what is right for you. Do not fall for the “pity party” that the sociopath is so very talented at throwing. “vampire” is an excellent description and he will suck the life out of you. Stay Strong! Make changes and the money will come. I promise. Ask God for help and guidance. Prayer works wonders. You are in my prayers tonight. Take care.
All (Bailey): I know that when I stepped away from him I started to get my own sanity back. I know he was deliberately working to screw up my thinking. Even if all you can do is step out the door and ask for help — just getting away from him will make all the difference.
Whatever you leave behind, you can get later, or make up many times over. Rescue yourself by stepping away. If you read “Women Who Love Psychopaths” you’ll learn that we are amazing, wonderful people. I do believe those demons target us: the best of the best.
Courage. Deep breath. Courage!
truebeliever:
The credit card debt that is all his — was this debt that he incurred before the marriage. If so, it is not considered marital debt and you shouldn’t be on the hook for it. Have your or your lawyer subpoened those records?
The reason I’m focusing on this is these parasites just don’t pay, and even if the mediator apportions you for only part of it, the creditors don’t care what the court orders — they’ll come after you.
Make sure whatever agreement you’ve got in place that you’re not jointly liable for anything. Swap assets, do whatever you have to. But, for lack of a better phrase, don’t stay in bed with him financially.