Lovefraud recently received an e-mail from a young man, we’ll call him Kyle, who has just broken up with a woman whom he now believes is a sociopath. Based on the behavior he described, I’d say the guy is right. The woman cheated on him, and when confronted, either downplayed her behavior, said it was none of his business, or verbally attacked him. She had no interest in resolving problems. “Her solution to everything was to run, wait awhile, and then pile on affection as if nothing ever happened,” Kyle wrote.
Kyle has been researching sociopathy to try to grasp what is really going on with this woman. Here’s more of his e-mail, which I have reproduced with his permission:
First of all, I don’t believe criminal behavior, monetary fraud, substance abuse, or any other overt signs of social misconduct are primary symptoms of sociopathy. I suppose that’s the big question though… what is a primary sign? My theory is that the sociopath is incapable of developing personal values through the process of induction, meaning they are unable to look within themselves to gain a sense of self-esteem. This results their inability to experience empathy. After all, if one cannot generate a sense of self worth from their own reasoning how can they be expected to relate to others who do?
It seems in every case I have read about, the sociopath is an extravert. I think this is natural as the person must constantly be in contact with others because they find no satisfaction in themselves. Sociopaths also seem to be universally intelligent. (Perhaps these are the factors that differentiate a sociopath from a psychopath. Again, forgive my ignorance on the subject). What results is a charming individual who preys on other people to satisfy an endless hunger for temporary esteem. Because they cannot make sense of the internal values which should be generating this esteem, they simply try to get it from others, essentially reversing cause and effect.
In the end, this system never quite works, so they develop an incredible defense to avoid the fact that every close relationship falls apart. Every interaction is bounded by a series of rules/parameters. So long as the victim stays within these, things run smoothly. However, close human contact results in an emotional trade off that is impossible to control. Normally this is a tremendously good thing: trust, loyalty, and compassion are established. However, these all rely on a person’s sense of self worth, and the sociopath is not able to understand that. Sooner or later the relationship becomes too close and loses all stability. This is the point where the sociopath is “found out.”
In dealing with the woman, I felt a certain childlike quality to her emotions throughout our relationship. Though she was highly developed socially, in a lot of ways I almost felt like I was dealing with a puppy who just killed a small bird in the front yard. I think my mistake was in believing that I would be different. If I held my hand out she wouldn’t bite it. But I think this quality is misleading, as that naiveté is something the sociopath will avoid at all costs. They simply refuse to learn from their mistakes, or even acknowledge them in the first place. It seems to be a rare combination of a highly developed intellect and a poorly developed emotional response.
Perhaps at some point every sociopath learns to guard that core of insecurity at the deepest level and as such cannot even look at that, let alone analyze it and learn from it. In time, they develop an incredibly complex mechanism to guard this, adding another component with each deception. By early adulthood, these deceptions become so many that the cost is just too great to turn back, and it’s just so much easier to keep going that the thought never even crosses their mind.
These people are not normal
Kyle has correctly observed many traits of a sociopath: Criminality, fraud and substance abuse are not necessarily the prime indicators of this personality disorder. Sociopaths do not experience empathy. Sociopaths are extraverts. They are highly developed socially, but emotionally immature. They do not learn from mistakes.
However, his theories on why sociopaths are the way they are suffer from a fatal flaw: They are developed from the perspective of someone who is normal.
The hardest part of understanding what happened during our entanglements with sociopaths is coming to terms the extent to which these people are not normal.
Lovefraud readers have described sociopaths as not human. Aliens inhabiting human bodies. As cold as these descriptions may sound, they’re probably the easiest way to grasp what you are dealing with in a relationship with a sociopath.
So how different are they? Let’s take a look.
What sociopaths want
Normal people want love and harmonious relationships with others. Normal people want to feel competent in some form of endeavor. Normal people want to contribute to the world in some way.
Sociopaths want power, control and sex. Since they do not really value human relationships, they only want to win.
Kyle is correct in stating that sociopaths cannot look within themselves and develop personal values. He is incorrect in assuming that this causes the sociopath distress. Yes, these disordered people are empty inside, and they may be vaguely aware that they are missing something. But most sociopaths do not have issues with their self-esteem. If anything, they are grandiose, and their views of themselves are ridiculously inflated. They feel absolutely entitled to anything that they want, simply because they want it.
Self-esteem and sociopaths
Kyle speculates that sociopaths must be in constant contact with other people because they are trying to borrow self-esteem from others. This is not the case. Sociopaths view people as pawns to be manipulated into giving them what they want. Every social encounter is a potential feeding opportunity, a chance to convince someone to provide something.
Many people, of course, eventually catch on that they are being used, and stop serving as supply to the sociopaths. Sociopaths are aware of this—they’ve experienced it many times. So they are constantly on the lookout for new targets. When one victim is depleted, he or she must be replaced with another.
This leads to the answer to Kyle’s question, which is, “what is a primary sign of sociopathy?” Dr. Leedom has said lying. Steve Becker has said exploitative behavior. Put them together and you can say deceitful exploitation is central to the disorder.
Insecurity and sociopaths
Kyle suggests that sociopaths are insecure and build defense mechanisms to protect themselves from being hurt. By the time they’re adults, these defense mechanisms are so elaborate and complex that sociopaths can’t return to their authentic selves.
Again, he’s trying to interpret the sociopath based on how normal people may cope with personal issues. This is a mistake.
Wikipedia defines insecurity as, “a feeling of general unease or nervousness that may be triggered by perceiving oneself to be unloved, inadequate or worthless.” Sociopaths probably should see themselves as unloved, inadequate or worthless, but they don’t. They may seem to be exhibiting insecurity, but in reality it’s one of two things:
- Frustration that they’re not getting what they want.
- Manipulation tactics to get what they want.
Sociopaths have no feelings, so there are no feelings to hurt. They can certainly pretend to be hurt, but it is a ruse designed to guilt others into giving them what they want.
Genetic roots
So if sociopaths are not trying to protect their deeply felt insecurities, where does this disorder come from? In most cases, the temperamental traits that lead to sociopathy are genetic. That usually means one of the parents is a sociopath, and sociopaths are notoriously bad parents. If a child is born with the traits, bad parenting can make them develop the full disorder.
But even if a child with the traits gets good parenting, the disorder can develop. Parents who have a child at risk of developing sociopathy need to take extra steps to help the child overcome his or her predisposition, but the parents may not realize it. And in some cases, even the best parenting is not enough to overcome negative genetics.
It is also possible for a mostly normal child who has extremely an extremely bad growth experience—such as being moved from foster home to foster home as a baby—can develop the disorder.
Accept and avoid
Please understand that I am not picking on Kyle. He’s obviously given a lot of thought to his experience with a sociopathic woman, and is trying to understand what happened. He has a reasonably good handle on normal behavior and normal motivations.
His letter simply provided me with an opportunity to illustrate that what we know and understand about normal human behavior simply does not apply to sociopaths. Thank you, Kyle, for allowing me to quote you.
In the end, we may not be able to truly comprehend sociopaths. The way they go through life is just too foreign to our natures. We must simply accept that they are very, very different from us, learn to recognize the symptoms, and if we see them, run for the hills.
Rune I know you make sense..the NC bit of this is so important and I blew it..and now its messed my head, its 3.20am here and cant sleep got tobe up in a few hours..bet he sleeping like a log!!
Hi Kathleen: The bankruptcy laws around credit cards have changed. The whole credit landscape is so different. The one thing I know that can protect in a divorce is to SEPARATE ALL THAT CREDIT. In order to close credit cards, they must be paid off, so that creates a potential liability if the bad-credit person continues to use the credit after the divorce. I’ve seen so many ugly post-divorce credit issues because the credit lines remained open with both names on them.
Matt might have something to say about this, but I know that creditors really don’t care whose “fault” it is. They just want their money, and they’ll go after both people.
muldoon: Think of him as an alien who beams out radio signals from his head that screw up your thinking whenever you get within range. This is really close to the truth of how this works.
So whenever he texts, or calls, or shows up, he is screwing with your brain. YOU are the clear-thinking one — he’s the one with the disordered brain, but he can send those screwy signals and leave you confused.
Breathe. Close your eyes and feel the clean, empty space around you. With him gone, you can start to hear your own thoughts, and your intuition. You can trust your intuition. And when you sleep, you may dream of comfort and guidance and peace.
truebeliever says:
Hello,
I just went to court trying to get divorced from my very cunning one year husband. This is the third time that I have been to court for just the original court ordered (May 12th 08)money. He was held in contempt finally but still got away with not paying the full amount due to confusion about a credit card debt that is ALL HIS!
How do you deal with a Sociopath in Court when they are so professional at manipulation and believe their own lies? We were supposed to have mediation July of 08 and he delayed everything. He most definitely has no conscience about any of his actions. How do I handle going to mediation with him? Anyone experienced?
Unfortunatley yes I am. Just got my 1 1/2 marriage finalized after over a year of crap.
I don’t know what state you live in but if it is a no-fault state like mine, it won’t matter what you do. Won’t matter what he did. The lawyers and the courts will help him to drag it out to line their pockets too.
Mediation….make sure you get your fair share of time.
If you don’t think your lawyer is standing up for you, get another.
Remember. If you can’t prove it, they won’t listen. And even if you CAN prove it, they still might not listen.
It’s all about the money. And if he has hidden it it’s gone. Can you prove where he put it? If not……
Don’t waste your time and money trying to prove what he did to you. They don’t care and won’t believe you.
I would love to be able to say the court system is fair and just. That they will care what he did and punish him for it.
That would be a lie.
In mediation, get the money trail documented. That’s ALL they care about. You said it was all his debt. Prove that. Show any balance tranfers. Get yours and his credit reports. Get all CC statements. Show the path. If he ran up the cards while you were married then once again, you are up the creek unless you can show the debt went for things he paid for outside the marriage. Kids, other women etc. And even then it might not matter.
Even though I had enough proof to show he planned our divorce before we were married, and everyone saw it even HIS lawyer, he did nothing illegal. Just immoral.
Save your money. I won my divorce case. I got everything in 401 and his trading accounts plus payments for 7 months. But because I could not PROVE he had other money hid, all he had to do was say he didn’t have any more and had lost all what I could prove in the stock market.
My settlement amounted to what all the legal fees over the year had cost. WooWoo. I won, but I still lost.
Unless you can PROVE he did something ILLEGAL, you are up the creek. I’m sorry. I truly wish I could tell you different.
The only thing that gave me ANY satisfaction that day was that he got that self satisfied smirk off his face.
DEar Muldoon,
He will be b ack to raging again when his “pity poly” and his FAKE TEARS dont get you back….this is all part of the “psychopath playbook”—
Dont’ for one minute think any of this is sincere. Keep syaing to yourself HE IS A LIAR, EVERYTHING HE SAYS IS A LIE.
Keep in mind too that a GRAIN of truth in a statement doesn’t make the STATEMENT TRUE. He will TWIST truth to turn it into a lie!
KEEP STRONG, YOU ARE DOING GREAT!!! ((((HUGS))))
nic
There is nothing you can do about the court order. If you don’t let him take her YOU will be in contempt.
You said he never picks her up on Saturdays. OK, bite the bullet and let him take her (if he shows). But don’t let him change the rules. Don’t let him pick her up at any other time!!!
Don’t work with him AT ALL!!!!
His lawyer will say you are being difficult. Say right back that you cannot have your life in turmoil waiting for him to decide at the last minute.
Hopefully the man will just stop picking her up at all.
Muldoon, please try to remember that he only wants back in to see what else he can get. The tears he was “hiding”?? I’m sure they were meant to LOOK like he was hiding them. Don’t fall for it, please. The devestation he will cause now, knowing the relationship is at the end, will be twofold if not more. Going for broke. Get it all, whatever that all might be.
Not worth it.
flyspeck: Good advice. We fool ourselves when we think that by playing nice, or accommodating their rule-changing that we can win their better behavior. NOT!! Court orders don’t have to be fair; courts are often not fair. But we don’t want to be the ones in contempt. Tou are absolutely right — make him stick with the letter of the court order. And of course, the less time the child spends with him, the better. But make sure that it’s HIS behavior that blows the schedule.
eliza says:
No matter what I tell myself, the feeling of loss will not leave.
Try to remember that what you lost in him was a dream. The man you loved never was. It helps me to think that my ex murdered the man I loved. Along with my cat. I hate him.
And if you are like me, the real loss is your trust in humanity.
That’s what I miss the most. And maybe, just maybe, that loss will help me in the long run. I’m hoping.
so, how do they get on with each other ? i read, they keep away from other Psycho’s /sociopaths
maybe its some future human development , gen Y is already more self orientated and kids find their parents very useful to provide far longer then necessary ( finance and help without much appreciation)i know this cant be compared to what S or psychos do but who knows what society will be like in the future
we dont understand them and their ‘true’ nature but do they understand one another ?how do they interact ?we think they need us to feed on, maybe they dont,they only dont know how to interact with us, just like we dont know how to deal with them …but we have a choice since there are more human beings like us,i hope
bit far fetched i guess …and if they would get on , they’d seek the company of one another