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The flaw in viewing sociopaths through normal eyes

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February 2, 2009 //  by Donna Andersen//  469 Comments

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Lovefraud recently received an e-mail from a young man, we’ll call him Kyle, who has just broken up with a woman whom he now believes is a sociopath. Based on the behavior he described, I’d say the guy is right. The woman cheated on him, and when confronted, either downplayed her behavior, said it was none of his business, or verbally attacked him. She had no interest in resolving problems. “Her solution to everything was to run, wait awhile, and then pile on affection as if nothing ever happened,” Kyle wrote.

Kyle has been researching sociopathy to try to grasp what is really going on with this woman. Here’s more of his e-mail, which I have reproduced with his permission:

First of all, I don’t believe criminal behavior, monetary fraud, substance abuse, or any other overt signs of social misconduct are primary symptoms of sociopathy. I suppose that’s the big question though… what is a primary sign? My theory is that the sociopath is incapable of developing personal values through the process of induction, meaning they are unable to look within themselves to gain a sense of self-esteem. This results their inability to experience empathy. After all, if one cannot generate a sense of self worth from their own reasoning how can they be expected to relate to others who do?

It seems in every case I have read about, the sociopath is an extravert. I think this is natural as the person must constantly be in contact with others because they find no satisfaction in themselves. Sociopaths also seem to be universally intelligent. (Perhaps these are the factors that differentiate a sociopath from a psychopath. Again, forgive my ignorance on the subject). What results is a charming individual who preys on other people to satisfy an endless hunger for temporary esteem. Because they cannot make sense of the internal values which should be generating this esteem, they simply try to get it from others, essentially reversing cause and effect.

In the end, this system never quite works, so they develop an incredible defense to avoid the fact that every close relationship falls apart. Every interaction is bounded by a series of rules/parameters. So long as the victim stays within these, things run smoothly. However, close human contact results in an emotional trade off that is impossible to control. Normally this is a tremendously good thing: trust, loyalty, and compassion are established. However, these all rely on a person’s sense of self worth, and the sociopath is not able to understand that. Sooner or later the relationship becomes too close and loses all stability. This is the point where the sociopath is “found out.”

In dealing with the woman, I felt a certain childlike quality to her emotions throughout our relationship. Though she was highly developed socially, in a lot of ways I almost felt like I was dealing with a puppy who just killed a small bird in the front yard. I think my mistake was in believing that I would be different. If I held my hand out she wouldn’t bite it. But I think this quality is misleading, as that naiveté is something the sociopath will avoid at all costs. They simply refuse to learn from their mistakes, or even acknowledge them in the first place. It seems to be a rare combination of a highly developed intellect and a poorly developed emotional response.

Perhaps at some point every sociopath learns to guard that core of insecurity at the deepest level and as such cannot even look at that, let alone analyze it and learn from it. In time, they develop an incredibly complex mechanism to guard this, adding another component with each deception. By early adulthood, these deceptions become so many that the cost is just too great to turn back, and it’s just so much easier to keep going that the thought never even crosses their mind.

These people are not normal

Kyle has correctly observed many traits of a sociopath: Criminality, fraud and substance abuse are not necessarily the prime indicators of this personality disorder. Sociopaths do not experience empathy. Sociopaths are extraverts. They are highly developed socially, but emotionally immature. They do not learn from mistakes.

However, his theories on why sociopaths are the way they are suffer from a fatal flaw: They are developed from the perspective of someone who is normal.

The hardest part of understanding what happened during our entanglements with sociopaths is coming to terms the extent to which these people are not normal.

Lovefraud readers have described sociopaths as not human. Aliens inhabiting human bodies. As cold as these descriptions may sound, they’re probably the easiest way to grasp what you are dealing with in a relationship with a sociopath.

So how different are they? Let’s take a look.

What sociopaths want

Normal people want love and harmonious relationships with others. Normal people want to feel competent in some form of endeavor. Normal people want to contribute to the world in some way.

Sociopaths want power, control and sex. Since they do not really value human relationships, they only want to win.

Kyle is correct in stating that sociopaths cannot look within themselves and develop personal values. He is incorrect in assuming that this causes the sociopath distress. Yes, these disordered people are empty inside, and they may be vaguely aware that they are missing something. But most sociopaths do not have issues with their self-esteem. If anything, they are grandiose, and their views of themselves are ridiculously inflated. They feel absolutely entitled to anything that they want, simply because they want it.

Self-esteem and sociopaths

Kyle speculates that sociopaths must be in constant contact with other people because they are trying to borrow self-esteem from others. This is not the case. Sociopaths view people as pawns to be manipulated into giving them what they want. Every social encounter is a potential feeding opportunity, a chance to convince someone to provide something.

Many people, of course, eventually catch on that they are being used, and stop serving as supply to the sociopaths. Sociopaths are aware of this—they’ve experienced it many times. So they are constantly on the lookout for new targets. When one victim is depleted, he or she must be replaced with another.

This leads to the answer to Kyle’s question, which is, “what is a primary sign of sociopathy?” Dr. Leedom has said lying. Steve Becker has said exploitative behavior. Put them together and you can say deceitful exploitation is central to the disorder.

Insecurity and sociopaths

Kyle suggests that sociopaths are insecure and build defense mechanisms to protect themselves from being hurt. By the time they’re adults, these defense mechanisms are so elaborate and complex that sociopaths can’t return to their authentic selves.

Again, he’s trying to interpret the sociopath based on how normal people may cope with personal issues. This is a mistake.

Wikipedia defines insecurity as, “a feeling of general unease or nervousness that may be triggered by perceiving oneself to be unloved, inadequate or worthless.” Sociopaths probably should see themselves as unloved, inadequate or worthless, but they don’t. They may seem to be exhibiting insecurity, but in reality it’s one of two things:

  • Frustration that they’re not getting what they want.
  • Manipulation tactics to get what they want.

Sociopaths have no feelings, so there are no feelings to hurt. They can certainly pretend to be hurt, but it is a ruse designed to guilt others into giving them what they want.

Genetic roots

So if sociopaths are not trying to protect their deeply felt insecurities, where does this disorder come from? In most cases, the temperamental traits that lead to sociopathy are genetic. That usually means one of the parents is a sociopath, and sociopaths are notoriously bad parents. If a child is born with the traits, bad parenting can make them develop the full disorder.

But even if a child with the traits gets good parenting, the disorder can develop. Parents who have a child at risk of developing sociopathy need to take extra steps to help the child overcome his or her predisposition, but the parents may not realize it. And in some cases, even the best parenting is not enough to overcome negative genetics.

It is also possible for a mostly normal child who has extremely an extremely bad growth experience—such as being moved from foster home to foster home as a baby—can develop the disorder.

Accept and avoid

Please understand that I am not picking on Kyle. He’s obviously given a lot of thought to his experience with a sociopathic woman, and is trying to understand what happened. He has a reasonably good handle on normal behavior and normal motivations.

His letter simply provided me with an opportunity to illustrate that what we know and understand about normal human behavior simply does not apply to sociopaths. Thank you, Kyle, for allowing me to quote you.

In the end, we may not be able to truly comprehend sociopaths. The way they go through life is just too foreign to our natures. We must simply accept that they are very, very different from us, learn to recognize the symptoms, and if we see them, run for the hills.

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  1. Kathleen Hawk

    February 5, 2009 at 1:32 am

    Yeah, Henry. I know exactly what you mean. About 40 years overdue.

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  2. Rune

    February 5, 2009 at 2:31 am

    Henry: are you sending your love to your Posey through your fingertips? You know that “pet” is a job description for dogs — they must be petted. And we have to fulfill our role by petting them.

    Glad you’re here.

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  3. Rune

    February 5, 2009 at 2:33 am

    Hey Matt: not to go too weird here, but are you a Scorpio (legal mind) born in the Chinese year of the Rabbit?

    As Kathy pointed out, you may have other wonderful options open to you.

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  4. hens

    February 5, 2009 at 2:39 am

    Rune – Posey is in my lap as I type. She did pee for the first time in a two day’s and I think I am seeing some improvement with her.Thanks Rune….

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  5. Rune

    February 5, 2009 at 3:22 am

    Henry: Posey is a dear spirit sent to comfort your heart in this life. Treasure her. If it is her time to move on, she isn’t doing that to abandon you. She trusts and loves you, and needs you to hold her. She is reminding you of what a great heart you have. An S/P would just be annoyed — and that’s the brain disorder, the personality disorder, at work.

    You are NOT THAT. You knew that already, but welcome Posey’s sweet energy, and know that you could not be present for her if you were not your whole-hearted self.

    My girl-dog got sick last Thursday. She has been my emotional rock while I’ve been going through this. She is better now, but I so very much feel for you and Posey.

    Remember that your loving thoughts are healing thoughts for her body as well.

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  6. SocioFree

    February 5, 2009 at 8:53 am

    Trus Believer,

    I agree with your reference to them as Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde, and also about no responses to texts or calls etc…

    In fact, I put together a short list of “excuses” these spaths try to fool you with to get back in touch with you to get their fix and WIN. It is under the second topic of the main page (After the Healing). I posted it around 9 pm Wednesday and it responds to an interesting post on falling prey to spath ploys by Lost in Grief at 6:45 am Wednesday.

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  7. Matt

    February 5, 2009 at 8:55 am

    truebeliever, Kathy, OxDrover, Rune:

    Thanks all for the support. Woke up this morning — shall we say — partly cloudy. Have dragged myself into work. Decided to focus on getting things in order, stop panicing and cross each bridge as I come to it.

    truebeliever:

    Glad my story could help you. I’m one of those people who has to see it in black-and-white on the page. Maybe that’s why talk therapy just doesn’t seem to be working for me.

    Rune:

    I’m a virgo, born year of the rooster (how’s that for a double-whammy?). But, I’ve got lots of scorprio in my chart.

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  8. Ox Drover

    February 5, 2009 at 10:23 am

    Dear Matt,

    It seems to me (I am guessing here as you haven’t said) that you aren’t all that “happy” with your current job anyway…so, maybe you are just hanging on to it for the money. If that’s the case, don’t wait for them to fire you–QUIT! Is my recommendation. I realize sometimes money is enough of a driver that you would clean out septic tanks if that was the only option over starve, but to me just knowing I had the cajones to QUIT if things got worse would give me a “freedom from worry” about them targeting me.

    But maybe this is at least a WAKE UP CALL that you might want to change your focus on life. I realized that even though I loved my job at the college, I had spent too much time focusing on that job and not enough on doing other things that I loved too.

    There were times I felt like (even in the job I did love) that I spent all of my time working so that my husband and sons could enjoy the things I wanted to do, be on the farm. If the job hadn’t evaporated then I would have rationalized away those desires to spend more time here on the farm and never done it.

    Looking back, those 18 months between the time I went part time at work and the time my dad got sick, and my husband died, were some of the PRIME TIME MONTHS of my life.

    Sometimes even a job that you love can keep you away from something that you love more. It can bind you down into a rut or a hole in the universe and keep you from seeing that there are even better opportunities and better visions out there.

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  9. hens

    February 5, 2009 at 6:45 pm

    SocioFree – I could add too your list of excuses, bet all of us could, but you have the classic list down good..One of the bloggers here had a three word reply that would stop them in their tracks and make them scratch their head’s in frustration YOU DON’T SAY….. ok mystery blogger’s who said that? it win’s a blue ribbon…………

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  10. Wini

    February 5, 2009 at 8:37 pm

    Matt, Of course I have to write to remind you to keep your head up in work. God said he will work for us ” the Lord will fight for you.

    Exodus 14:13 – 14 Moses answered the people, “Do not be afraid. Stand firm and you will see the deliverance the LORD will bring you today. The Egyptians you see today you will never see again. The LORD will fight for you; you need only to be still.”

    For any negative thoughts (the devil puts these thoughts in your mind). Remember what God has told us ” and remember to pray to God for help in all matters. Give your worries and cares over to the Lord.

    If you are thinking what you are going through at work is impossible ”remember

    All things are possible (Luke 18:27)

    If you are thinking I can’t go on ” remember

    My grace is sufficient (II Corinthians 12:9 & Psalm 91:15)

    If you are thinking that you can’t do something ”. remember

    You can do all things (Phillipians 4:13)

    If you are thinking it’s not worth it ”remember
    It will be worth it (Romans 8:28)

    If you think you are afraid of what your EX has done to you in work ”remember

    I have not given you a spirit of fear (II Timothy 1:7)

    If you think you are being beaten down for what he’s saying about you at work ” remember

    I will supply all your needs (Phillipians 4:19)

    When you become worried and frustrated ” remember
    Cast all your cares on Me (I Peter 5:7)

    If you think you can’t go on ” remember
    My grace is sufficient (II Corinthians 12:9 & Psalm 91:15)

    If you feel you don’t have enough faith ” remember
    I’ve given everyone a measure of faith (Romans 12:3)

    Finally, if you feel that you are all alone in this ” remember

    I will never leave you or forsake you (Hebrews 13:5)

    Peace Matt. Give what your Ex is doing to you at work over to God. He will help you.

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